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RE: Alternatives to antidepressants - 12/19/2010 11:09:19 AM   
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ORIGINAL: DesFIP

Actually the op wasn't about alternatives to medication but options for those for whom the medications are ineffective.


You are correct.
Thank you.


However, one of the problems with using medications is finding the right drug or the right combination of drugs that will match your particular illness and brain chemistry.

From the r-EEG co-founders

" "There are over 100 medications available for treatment of behavioral disorders. The core problem is not that we need three more. The problem is we need to know how to use the 100 that we have."

-- Stephen Suffin, M.D., Co-founder

“We have improved clinical neuroscience at the bedside such that calling a mentally ill patient ‘treatment resistant’ should be a rare event. Now, the phrase generally means a doctor is unaware there is physiological data to help understand each patient’s brain function.”

-- Hamlin Emory, M.D., Co-founder"

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RE: Alternatives to antidepressants - 12/19/2010 12:03:26 PM   
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Man, I don't know if I agree with the statement of Stephen Suffin. There are clearly too many people that often initially respond well to a drug, only to have its efficacy diminish over time. And as noted in prior threads, talk therapy is often ignored by many psychiatrists in favor of drugs. I doubt that these experimental magnetic treatments will get much interest until patients began demanding the option.

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RE: Alternatives to antidepressants - 12/20/2010 1:17:44 AM   
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Clearly, depression has a number of causes, and the disease is not homogeneous. Thus, there will be no one size fits all treatment.

In some people it is not a disease, but a natural condition, I suspect.

Exercise is one option. A future solution is hormone treatment, which ought to work a miracle overnight.

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RE: Alternatives to antidepressants - 12/20/2010 6:40:41 AM   
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I don't think his comments would past muster in the larger scientific/medical community. The traditional problem with herbal remedies is that you simply don't know what you're getting. There's no consistency- a St. John's Wort preparation from one company doesn't have any of the same compounds as a different companies preparation and often batch to batch from the same manufacturer is wildly different.


I stopped buying supplements at supermarkets after seeing artificial colors in a milk thistle product. I trust Whole Foods to source brands for me. (That may be lazy but it works for me.) Sometimes I'll stop taking supplements for a few months as a test. When symptoms return, I know the supplements were having the desired effect and resume.

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We began discussing sleep cycles and she ties them to melatonin levels. (Turns out astronauts have a lot of trouble sleeping.) Her comment was that additional melatonin as a sleep aid didn't work- there wasn't enough of the compound absorbed from the gut to the bloodstream to do any good.


This is probably why the sublingual melatonin helps me sleep but not the other kind. I use Source Naturals.

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RE: Alternatives to antidepressants - 12/23/2010 3:08:15 PM   
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Good old fashioned exercise.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/dr-tian-dayton/exercise-the-best-antidep_b_106683.html

http://www.naturalnews.com/022299.html

http://blisstree.com/feel/replacing-anti-depressants-with-exercise-could-a-jog-be-better-than-drugs/

The trick is discovering your motivation when depression counteracts that.

You have to dig in deep, and push yourself harder then any one could ever push you.

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RE: Alternatives to antidepressants - 12/25/2010 12:37:41 AM   
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A short reply to samboct, your additional information was informative, but I just wanted to tell you that I was not planning on jolting myself with electricity, I was merely interested in the different theories of treatments that were offered as alternatives to anti's. Out of all the new theories I've thought the magetic fields theory seems very interesting [I didn't actually know astronaunts had trouble sleeping, well, at least I'm not the only one], but I also agree regular exercise can help improve mood, but also for me, because I often do not get quick results, in some ways that makes me feel worse on some days (and even on days where I accept that this is the best I can do, so at least I'm trying to stay active...there are still days that even the exercise doesn't really seem to help long term, though I sometimes notice a slight mood boost, but to me it's not as much of a boost as it should be).

As far as seasonal affective disorder [SAD], I also find that sometimes I am a little more down in the winter than in summer months, yet because of it being pretty cold here--it can be a deterent to going outside for too long (it's not so bad in Nov.Dec. but Jan/Feb. get really cold, and alot of times I do just skip alot of things ,but only somewhat during the winter--and only during the coldest parts usually), but skipping stuff also makes me feel bad, like I wasn't trying my best, but being in the cold air too much, breathing too hard, could bother one's lungs (having wetness in lungs I mean, if one is prone to having URI and chest/coughs that is, so people more prone to illness just have to be cautious of the elements more). So, if it's bitter cold I just skip it. I would perhaps go to an indoor gym if I could afford it, though I kind of prefer the open air to an enclosed area (thought an enclosed area can feel more secure, though one person told me no place is truly secure...kind of scary when you think about it that way, but he was probably being paranoid).

Anyway, I wasn't planning on going through with any one treatment process. I know enough that sometimes it's the cure that kills you. So, rather than make brash decisions, I tend to wade through information and study things, and I don't really make any decision fast or lightly. Mostly, I was just curious on if anyone thought about new or old alternatives that have been used, and now I am getting a wider picture of what's out there. I also don't advocate over using herbs/suppliments, they can be just as bad as getting regular pills, if things aren't the right composition, etc. I agree, that vitamin D can be found just as easily in natural sunlight, than through a pill (just don't sun tan too much, because who wants melanoma), but if one is going to be outside doing chores or exercising, that is probably more than enough sun for one day.

I was quite surprised, just how much other posters seem to understand about depression, it's clinical treatments & the alternatives, perhaps it is taken more seriously than I once thought. I always assumed alot of people just brushed it off and didn't want to talk about it.

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RE: Alternatives to antidepressants - 1/25/2011 4:23:36 AM   
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Good morning! Don't forget also that some antidepressants even though they are used for depression are ALSO used for chronic pain. I have vuvlar vestibulitis and had unbearable vulvar pain for 3 years before I was disagonsed. My GYN put me on birth control to cut down on my periods to only 4 a year and prescribed Amitryp (taline) every night. The pain is gone and has yet to come back. It affects me the same if I skip more than 2 doses but I'll take it if it helps with the pain . In this type of case, nothing may help other than the pills.  Love, Zechriel

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RE: Alternatives to antidepressants - 1/25/2011 9:17:09 AM   
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Antidepressants are also an alternative to Hormone Replacement Therapy during menopause if hormones are contraindicated. They eliminated night sweats during perimenopause for me.

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