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ORIGINAL: liks2plzlf

Just wondering if there are rich people in socialist countries?

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ORIGINAL: Aneirin

No, if you think I am a socialist, marxist or whatever, define from my ethos;

Whats yours is yours and what mine is mine, but I am willing to share and give what surplus I do not need to those who need a hand up.

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ORIGINAL: Aneirin

Capitalism, do you get working longer hours for ever decreasing pay and rising costs and the debt that follows followed by the despair and hoplessness, for capitalism is about that when it is allowed to run away with itself, the minority thrive and prosper and the majority sink further into economic slavery. The propsperous minority then seek to make and control the law and the policies of state so no one can challenge them because any challenge will then become against the law.

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ORIGINAL: NorthernGent

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ORIGINAL: Aneirin

Capitalism, do you get working longer hours for ever decreasing pay and rising costs and the debt that follows followed by the despair and hoplessness, for capitalism is about that when it is allowed to run away with itself, the minority thrive and prosper and the majority sink further into economic slavery. The propsperous minority then seek to make and control the law and the policies of state so no one can challenge them because any challenge will then become against the law.

Except the majority of people have access to education and information that could only have been dreamed of 300 years ago. And capitalism is in part responsible for this. The merchant classes were responsibile for shifting power and learning away from divine right and the church - and with this shift came increased liberty and access to the rewards earned by the wider community.

Patently - you are not the serf that you would have been in feudal times.

Doesn't mean that capitalism doesn't come complete with flaws - what system doesn't - but then it's down to people to build a system that accounts for regulation of the economy so that an underclass isn't cut off (contributing little and acting as a drain). And I don't see these 'economic slaves' with heart-felt concerns for their fellow men - I see people (the people you believe are 'economic slaves' happy enough to queue up for hours to pay a small fortune for the latest designer undercracks while stepping over the homeless lying in doorways. That's not the fault of capitalism - that's the fault of people who by and large couldn't care less.