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RE: Ignoring Political Limits? - 5/1/2006 11:06:06 PM

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ORIGINAL: ExistentialSteel

So how many voted the last election?

Yep sure did... and got to go do it again tomorrow for local bullshit too... and that's all it is.. because they already know who's going to get it... and who's not... but they have to make it look good... just like they did during last 2 Presidentual Elections.....

But as to the OP... there's 2 things... submissive... and or slave... no one will ever be able to make ME do and that's change my politics and religion. We can agree... disagree... discuss... argue... not speak at all about it.... but those are mine... and no damn body will change that... and i'm not going to agree with him... and then go in and vote or pray the way I want behind his back. He's gonna know all this up front.. accept this of me... or keep on walking by. But this is only my own personal opinion ......

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RE: Ignoring Political Limits? - 5/1/2006 11:11:17 PM

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Before he owned me I asked about this - if he would plan to influence my spiritual and political beliefs. He said he had no interest in doing so. It has never come up since.

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RE: Ignoring Political Limits? - 5/1/2006 11:13:21 PM

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I think that's the way it should be too Owned... there are just somethings... that no one needs to interfer with..and with me... those are the two.... i have a 3rd... but we're not suppose to talk of them on here either....

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RE: Ignoring Political Limits? - 5/2/2006 3:50:03 AM

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ORIGINAL: ArtCatDom

In my experience, the right and left are just as bad as the other.

For liberals: Disagree with amnesty and you're a "racist". Disagree with the status quo of welfare and social security, then it's obvious you want to hurt poor and old people.

For conservatives: Disagree with trickle-down economics and you're a "commie" (or a "socialist"). Disagree with the Iraq War and you're obviously a filthy hippie living in la la land.

And so on.

Each of them have their vitriol for opposing views and neither of them use any less spite in launching such labels.

*meow*

I agree, Art. You can see the smugness rise from posts coming from both sides....

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RE: Ignoring Political Limits? - 5/2/2006 3:56:56 AM

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Politics in this country is a friggin' joke, considering the number of special interest groups doing their best to sway votes, instead of just letting the politicians do what they do best and screw off for several months at a time and accomplish nothing...

Besides, too many votes are either bought or badgered into being cast, which just adds to the concept of it all being one big joke...

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RE: Ignoring Political Limits? - 5/2/2006 5:46:20 AM

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Myself I find the concept of politics as a limit to be strange to say the least.....
In my day I have voted for nearly every party going, as my opinions change through life experience, and as the parties change their stance.
I realise that US politics is very polarized, but I still think it odd that one would or would not date somebody based on their politics.
My parents are a good example, Dad is a lifelong active Liberal, and Mum is a lifelong Conservative, yet they are still happily married. Theire political leaning is the defining aspect of who they are. They each vote their concience, and now and then argue about things political, but they respect eachother, and eachother's intelligence, enough to accept that they disagree.
To my mind, those who make political viewpoint a limiting factor in their personal relationships are insecure in their beliefs, and are afraid to deal with differing viewpoints.

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RE: Ignoring Political Limits? - 5/2/2006 6:04:06 AM

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I think what may be confusing here is politics (the casting of votes, party affiliations and opinions) versus politics ( the active and dynamic use of one's daily abilities to effect change).

That is where IMHO the latex meets and burns the road--for the agreement of the end rsult may be there--but the paths taken so diverse, so diamterically opposed that it can cause day to day let alone moment to moment conflict---voting is one thing, but when the judgement of the vote begins to caste a shadow on the relationship partner---that is when things seriously break down and need to be re-examined.

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RE: Ignoring Political Limits? - 5/2/2006 3:42:51 PM

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ORIGINAL: ownedgirlie

Before he owned me I asked about this - if he would plan to influence my spiritual and political beliefs. He said he had no interest in doing so. It has never come up since.

What if he had said "yes"?

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RE: Ignoring Political Limits? - 5/2/2006 5:03:50 PM

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ORIGINAL: Arpig

Myself I find the concept of politics as a limit to be strange to say the least.....
In my day I have voted for nearly every party going, as my opinions change through life experience, and as the parties change their stance.
I realise that US politics is very polarized, but I still think it odd that one would or would not date somebody based on their politics.
My parents are a good example, Dad is a lifelong active Liberal, and Mum is a lifelong Conservative, yet they are still happily married. Theire political leaning is the defining aspect of who they are. They each vote their concience, and now and then argue about things political, but they respect eachother, and eachother's intelligence, enough to accept that they disagree.
To my mind, those who make political viewpoint a limiting factor in their personal relationships are insecure in their beliefs, and are afraid to deal with differing viewpoints.

I have to agree. I can not understand why 2 ADULTS can not have differing opinions and still maintain a strong relationship. Befuddles my mind

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RE: Ignoring Political Limits? - 5/2/2006 5:10:29 PM

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I have to agree. I can not understand why 2 ADULTS can not have differing opinions and still maintain a strong relationship. Befuddles my mind

You have to understand what the role of politics has become in many of these people's lives. It is no longer just an interest in civics or even what will make a better organized and run country. It has become a religion and the politicians and pundits have become the priests and cardinals.

Imagine a devout born-again chirstian who ended up on a date with a militant strong atheist. They could not accept each other without admitting that their own strongly held beliefs might just be wrong.

When one's political views become so enmeshed with one's personality, it becomes imperitive to protect that sense of self and purpose, and to allow someone in who might hold opposing views is far too risky...

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RE: Ignoring Political Limits? - 5/2/2006 7:37:13 PM

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ORIGINAL: ownedgirlie

Before he owned me I asked about this - if he would plan to influence my spiritual and political beliefs. He said he had no interest in doing so. It has never come up since.

What if he had said "yes"?

He didn't own me yet. There would have been more conversation about it...so I could understand where he was coming from.

To further answer your question, however...if he said he would eventually have me deny my God, I don't think I would have continued this road with him. So I am exceptionally grateful he allows me my beliefs.

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RE: Ignoring Political Limits? - 5/2/2006 11:29:38 PM

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ORIGINAL: Calandra
Question (don't wanna seem stupid here, but I was raised Jehovah's Witness - therefore politically neutral and uninformed until I broke away in my late 20's. Since then I've been working on my sexual and overall identity and only the last four or five years gotten around to politics)
How does one do research on the state and local candidates? I voted for the Presidential elections, but I had never heard of some of the people on the ballot.

Any suggestions anyone?

Hands down, one of the best resources is your local League of Women Voters. They provide comprehensive questionaires to candidates for most offices and publish responses in a voting guide for your area, so you can easily compare different candidates' positions.

They are a completely nonpartisan, nonprofit that was founded to help women be informed with their newfound voting rights when the 19th amendment was ratified. You can find a local chapter at their website and if you live in a moderate sized city they probably have a web site specifically for your location with an online voting guide!

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RE: Ignoring Political Limits? - 5/2/2006 11:43:56 PM

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And for those wondering why adults can't just agree to disagree -- at some point in the last 10-15 years politics changed from "let's figure out how to make things better and run the country" into sports teams. Now it doesn't even matter what the actual policy is, only what color uniform the players are wearing! If it is a policy of your team, it's automatically good for the country, if it is the other team, it's bad for the country. There's no sense that maybe balance or compromise is the best position, anything short of total victory is a loss, so we wind up with a scorched-earth political climate.

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RE: Ignoring Political Limits? - 5/3/2006 12:18:22 AM

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Is there a reason that some doms seem to not respect a potential sub's political views, even when it is listed as a “lives for” and the other side as a “hard limit?” I’ve had men offer me eletro-shock therapy, counseling and a variety of other ways to get over my liberal views. It seems to me that some want to punish me for disagreeing with them. And it isn’t just one or two men—it seems to me that every neo-conservative BDSMer (which I would have thought was a contradiction in terms, given that the neo-cons seem to be scapegoating us to try to win elections) has approached me about ‘curing’ me of my political views.

My profile is as obvious as I’m capable of being that I’m liberal and only want to go out with liberals. I have two “lives for” checked—political activism and liberal politics and one “hard limit” which is conservative politics. And I talk about it, probably incessantly. And yet, Republican after Republican...

I ended up on a date recently with a guy who spends the first 30 minutes lecturing me on why global warming isn’t happening, then goes into a tirade on Paul Krugman (who is the 2nd thing I mention in my profile as something I like), then takes off his jacket and is wearing a T-shirt with a certain Danish cartoon on it!!!! And it was pretty clear that he went and bought this t-shirt for my benefit (he admitted he’d never worn it before) and yet he still expected me to submit to him that evening!

I have a sense that if I said “I have a huge limit with anal play” people wouldn’t be so in-your-face about telling me why they would not respect that limit. I don't understand why this issue, which to me is an issue of integrity and morality, is totally ignored.

Haven't read any of the other responses yet, but I'm here to tell you that I absolutely think passionately discussing each others political view-points is very healthy and should never be avoided. And trust me, it can really be done in a fashion where neither loses respect for the other or any type of ill-will is built up. But on the other hand, the second you come into a scenario as previously mentioned, and they actually demand that you ''change'', I'd sprint away from them as fast as possible. Any change in those view-points, has to come from you, by you, and when you are good and ready

Good luck !

- R.

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RE: Ignoring Political Limits? - 5/3/2006 12:30:01 AM

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but I'm here to tell you that I absolutely think passionately discussing each others political view-points is very healthy and should never be avoided. And trust me, it can really be done in a fashion where neither loses respect for the other or any type of ill-will is built up.

Since I enjoy a spirited and even sometimes heated debate, I wholeheartedly agree with you, Ranger. Some of the things that I get out of discussing and debating all of the angles of political view points are a greater understanding of the person that I'm talking with, a deeper appreciation for their ideas, as well as sometimes a better understanding of my own thoughts and why they are what they are. And sometimes, just sometimes, I find that I have an opinion that I've not evaluated in a while and my own mind or experiences have changed me in such a way that I rethink and sometimes alter my view.

I think that we all need to spend more time discussing our ideas, thoughts and feelings with our friends and loved ones. And practice doing so in a respectful and openminded manner.

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RE: Ignoring Political Limits? - 5/3/2006 1:49:34 AM

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To further answer your question, however...if he said he would eventually have me deny my God, I don't think I would have continued this road with him. So I am exceptionally grateful he allows me my beliefs.

I met someone through here that I have been talking to a lot lately, and because of this thread we started talking about "the list of controversial subjects". One of the things I mentioned during that process was that there are a few things that I consider so personal that I would never try to impose my will about them on my submissive ... the three that immediately came to mine are:

1) voting and political orientation -- political orientation, if it was particularly extreme, might cause me to have difficulty staying in a relationship with someone (power exchange relationship, romantic relationship, etc.), but I wouldn't impose my will upon them wrt to it. And, I would definitely never tell someone how they should vote.

2) breeding -- whether it's about abortion or the "making my slave have my child" aspect of things ... that's too personal for me to cover. Now, if I knew she wanted to be forced into being a breeder, I'd push that button, sure. But I'd have to know it was specifically a button for her. I wouldn't go there without that.

3) spirituality -- IMO, I am "Caesar" to my hypothetical slave, meaning that I have temporal authority over her. Spiritual authority is between her and someone else (and in my perspective that means "between her and God", "God owns her spirit, she answers to God for spiritual issues"). It would violate _MY_ spirituality to deny her her own spiritual path. Though, like political orientation, it could end up causing me to not feel like we could be in a relationship together.

(and, the person I've been talking to ... we seem to really be on the same page with all of the issues we each brought up, which was very nice)

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RE: Ignoring Political Limits? - 5/3/2006 2:48:26 AM

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ownedgirlie said:

He didn't own me yet. There would have been more conversation about it...so I could understand where he was coming from.

To further answer your question, however...if he said he would eventually have me deny my God, I don't think I would have continued this road with him. So I am exceptionally grateful he allows me my beliefs.

I'm glad for you, owned, you two seem to fit like a glove, and that gives me hope .

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And for those wondering why adults can't just agree to disagree -- at some point in the last 10-15 years politics changed from "let's figure out how to make things better and run the country" into sports teams. Now it doesn't even matter what the actual policy is, only what color uniform the players are wearing! If it is a policy of your team, it's automatically good for the country, if it is the other team, it's bad for the country. There's no sense that maybe balance or compromise is the best position, anything short of total victory is a loss, so we wind up with a scorched-earth political climate.

I couldn't agree more. Both sides began to see themselves as saviors of the country....

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Haven't read any of the other responses yet, but I'm here to tell you that I absolutely think passionately discussing each others political view-points is very healthy and should never be avoided.

R, somehow I had a feeling you'd say that *grins*.....again, I agree wholeheartedly. But so many have such rigid mindsets, and they don't want to hear what anyone has to say if it doesn't fall in line with them.

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RE: Ignoring Political Limits? - 5/3/2006 7:11:39 AM

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3) spirituality -- IMO, I am "Caesar" to my hypothetical slave, meaning that I have temporal authority over her. Spiritual authority is between her and someone else (and in my perspective that means "between her and God", "God owns her spirit, she answers to God for spiritual issues"). It would violate _MY_ spirituality to deny her her own spiritual path. Though, like political orientation, it could end up causing me to not feel like we could be in a relationship together.

I liked your way of putting this. I have spoken to Master about "owning the soul." It concerned me, as I believe my soul belongs to God and always will. Master said he is not in the business of collecting souls - he does not believe souls can be owned. But he owns the essence of me, and while I am here on this earth I am in his care.

Again, I was grateful. He and I do have different beliefs regarding God and spirituality, but he knows my spirituality makes up who I am. He wouldn't touch it.

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RE: Ignoring Political Limits? - 5/3/2006 7:14:45 AM

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I'm glad for you, owned, you two seem to fit like a glove, and that gives me hope .

Level, we talked talked talked about everything before he took ownership of me. We talked even more before he put his collar on me (the collar occured months after ownership did). This is why, when I enter into other discussions/debates, surrounding M/s relationships, I think, "Do you think I am owned by an idiot?" when I hear some of the "what if" arguments that are tossed about. Communication is crucial. Know what you're getting into. There shouldn't be any major surprises down the road if you talk talk talk..........

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RE: Ignoring Political Limits? - 5/3/2006 8:37:24 AM

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I have not read all 5 pages of this. For Me, it is very simple. I don't refer to politics in My interests lists, and I do not make it a hard limit. I have seen more and more who do.
However, in the context of the M/s relationship, I would not get involved with someone who is rabidly opposed to My basic beliefs. Operative word here, "rabidly". If they are on the other side of the fence, that is fine, as long as the slave is not focused on that as being such an important part of his life that time is spent away from the home satisfying a political Mistress. If one needs to be slave to the universe or a personal set of beliefs, then one does not have time to be a slave to Me. I am not interested in the M/s relationship that includes daily debates/arguments over the latest headline. A reasonable conversation every now and then is fine, but I'm not going to argue, so either keep it to yourself, and know where I stand, or move on.
Religion? Tell Me what is involved? Church on Sunday morning? No problem. Bible study on Tuesday and Thursday, Church on Wednesday and Sunday, and planning committes on Saturday morning will definitely put a crimp into things. This would be the religious Mistress.
If that is what the slave needs and wants, that is fine. Just not enough time to take care of Me. These are all important things to consider.
Pretty simple.

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