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RapierFugue -> RE: Dateline on Vegas murderer with Alt profile (1/17/2011 8:21:29 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Zevar What did your sarcastic comment have to do with the seriousness of this topic? What did your meaningless, mindless, unthinking, knee-jerk platitudes have to do with it? At least I'm helping folks keep a sense of proportion. What are you doing, other than flapping your gums?

hausboy -> RE: Dateline on Vegas murderer with Alt profile (1/17/2011 8:22:26 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Zevar FR: The horrifc outcome of this tragedy is nothing to take with a grain of salt. Granted, many people in this world are not as this man proved himself to be. However it is better to err on the side of caution as opposed to throwing all caution to the winds. One of the things this situation proves is that some folks are not trustworthy, nor capable of balancing their own internal life dynamics, thus take their fantasy world as a reality to act out on others. One of the things that is so sad is that this creep used spirituality to get his victims. How pathetic! There are no words to offer that will reverse this horror that was acted out. Nonetheless, caution is valauble when related to interacting with other people in this world. Keeping in mind, the mindset of people as this creep are never able to predict. However caution does offer a bit of distance from those who are less than worthy of trust. Lessons learned are only valuble when applied, regardless how they are learned, aye! Take Care! I agree Zevar. completely. This was a truly vile and horrible crime--two horrible crimes. (fortunately the second woman survived) The media didn't focus on the fact that the guy was on Alt (thankfully) but the point they were making was that he had multiple profiles and ways that he sought out his victims--he found the 2nd victim on Alt.com

Zevar -> RE: Dateline on Vegas murderer with Alt profile (1/17/2011 8:33:12 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: RapierFugue quote: ORIGINAL: Zevar What did your sarcastic comment have to do with the seriousness of this topic? What did your meaningless, mindless, unthinking, knee-jerk platitudes have to do with it? At least I'm helping folks keep a sense of proportion. What are you doing, other than flapping your gums? I meant you no harm or insult. My question was asked in a sincere manner with the intent to arrive at a point of clarity regarding your comment. Be Well!

Zevar -> RE: Dateline on Vegas murderer with Alt profile (1/17/2011 8:46:06 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: hausboy I agree Zevar. completely. This was a truly vile and horrible crime--two horrible crimes. (fortunately the second woman survived) The media didn't focus on the fact that the guy was on Alt (thankfully) but the point they were making was that he had multiple profiles and ways that he sought out his victims--he found the 2nd victim on Alt.com Thank you for your comments hausboy. Sadly this creep sought out his victims with malice in his intent, ragardless what he claimed. I believe that this creep was planning his every move on his next victim. Meditation had zero to do with his actions, clearly. Thank you for bringing this topic for discussion. Perhaps in some way this will serve to wake others to becoming less willing to give their trust to someone that is a murderous player. Violence against women is in all instances, unaccpetable! Take Care!

RapierFugue -> RE: Dateline on Vegas murderer with Alt profile (1/17/2011 8:50:49 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Zevar I meant you no harm or insult. My question was asked in a sincere manner with the intent to arrive at a point of clarity regarding your comment. Yeah, sure it was [8\|] That's why you used the pejorative "sarcastic". That kind of passive-aggressive crap might work on the kind of people you hang around with, but it won't wash with me, so stick your snarky comment wherever it smarts most, sunshine. Look; I'll make it as simple as you clearly need me to: it's an awful situation. A person is dead. That's what we refer to as bad. However, what it isn't is grounds for the kind of disproportionate, unthinking, Princess Diana-style hand-wringing and rampant "oh my god that's so scary!" relationship paranoia that's going on in this thread. "Oh no! Some people can't be trusted!" No shit, Sherlock. The world's not universally lovely and filled with fluffy bunnies but, for the most part, it isn't going to destroy you either. Live in fear and you might as well be dead. Tragic events happen every day - I for one view the starving to death of children, when the world has enough to feed all its inhabitants, as far worse a crime than this one, and a much greater tragedy but hey, what would I know. This guy makes the news on these forums because of his hobbies, not because people are genuinely appalled at his crimes. And I haven't even mentioned the positive social benefits in having a potential serial killer who preys on spiritualists ... but we’ll leave that for another day.

RapierFugue -> RE: Dateline on Vegas murderer with Alt profile (1/17/2011 8:54:06 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Zevar Thank you for your comments hausboy. Sadly this creep sought out his victims with malice in his intent, ragardless what he claimed. I believe that this creep was planning his every move on his next victim. Meditation had zero to do with his actions, clearly. Thank you for bringing this topic for discussion. Perhaps in some way this will serve to wake others to becoming less willing to give their trust to someone that is a murderous player. Violence against women is in all instances, unaccpetable! Take Care! Pointless platitude count: 99.5% Statistically incorrect encouragement of paranoia in others: 75% Genuinely new comment, advance of the debate, or proposal of a solution: 0.00% You're consistent, I'll give you that.

Zevar -> RE: Dateline on Vegas murderer with Alt profile (1/17/2011 9:04:33 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: RapierFugue quote: ORIGINAL: Zevar I meant you no harm or insult. My question was asked in a sincere manner with the intent to arrive at a point of clarity regarding your comment. Yeah, sure it was [8\|] That's why you used the pejorative "sarcastic". That kind of passive-aggressive crap might work on the kind of people you hang around with, but it won't wash with me, so stick your snarky comment wherever it smarts most, sunshine. Look; I'll make it as simple as you clearly need me to: it's an awful situation. A person is dead. That's what we refer to as bad. However, what it isn't is grounds for the kind of disproportionate, unthinking, Princess Diana-style hand-wringing and rampant "oh my god that's so scary!" relationship paranoia that's going on in this thread. "Oh no! Some people can't be trusted!" No shit, Sherlock. The world's not universally lovely and filled with fluffy bunnies but, for the most part, it isn't going to destroy you either. Live in fear and you might as well be dead. Tragic events happen every day - I for one view the starving to death of children, when the world has enough to feed all its inhabitants, as far worse a crime than this one, and a much greater tragedy but hey, what would I know. This guy makes the news on these forums because of his hobbies, not because people are genuinely appalled at his crimes. And I haven't even mentioned the positive social benefits in having a potential serial killer who preys on spiritualists ... but we’ll leave that for another day. Actually you are incorect in your arrogant foolish assumption of my reply to you. I was genuinely attempting to clarify your comment, you took my intent incorrectly even though I clarified my intent to you. This topic is serious. I shall only treat it as such. Enough said!

hausboy -> RE: Dateline on Vegas murderer with Alt profile (1/17/2011 9:14:55 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: RapierFugue quote: ORIGINAL: Zevar I meant you no harm or insult. My question was asked in a sincere manner with the intent to arrive at a point of clarity regarding your comment. Yeah, sure it was [8\|] That's why you used the pejorative "sarcastic". That kind of passive-aggressive crap might work on the kind of people you hang around with, but it won't wash with me, so stick your snarky comment wherever it smarts most, sunshine. Look; I'll make it as simple as you clearly need me to: it's an awful situation. A person is dead. That's what we refer to as bad. However, what it isn't is grounds for the kind of disproportionate, unthinking, Princess Diana-style hand-wringing and rampant "oh my god that's so scary!" relationship paranoia that's going on in this thread. "Oh no! Some people can't be trusted!" No shit, Sherlock. The world's not universally lovely and filled with fluffy bunnies but, for the most part, it isn't going to destroy you either. Live in fear and you might as well be dead. Tragic events happen every day - I for one view the starving to death of children, when the world has enough to feed all its inhabitants, as far worse a crime than this one, and a much greater tragedy but hey, what would I know. This guy makes the news on these forums because of his hobbies, not because people are genuinely appalled at his crimes. And I haven't even mentioned the positive social benefits in having a potential serial killer who preys on spiritualists ... but we’ll leave that for another day. This forum is specifically for BDSM issues in the news--and this crime has been in the press and on television very recently and does have the Alt.com angle, so I posted it because I know that many here are also on Alt, and may be interested. I didn't think anyone was disproportionately responding the tv show/article with hysterics. Most responded as I did-- this was a horrible crime, and it is scary knowing that there are people like this out there. I don't really think it's blowing it out of proportion. Maybe starving children horrifies you more--your opinion. Personally, I did find this crime particularly appalling--it was quite brutal and chilling. I have a colleague who works CSI in Vegas (yes, the real one. not the goofiness on television. he spends most of his time in a very unglorious, boring laboratory) and I would be wiling to bet that this crime probably horrified even some seasoned people. I live in a city where we average well over 200 homicides a year. Don't know if you've ever seen the results/scene of a homicide, but I have. And I've had an obscene number of people in my life who lost loved ones as well at the hands of others. I don't live in fear--if I did, I could never live here or in any other major city in the States. But I don't live in a bubble either--that bubble burst a long time ago when my classmate was gunned down in the middle of the sidewalk--and it wasn't considered newsworthy here.

NihilusZero -> RE: Dateline on Vegas murderer with Alt profile (1/18/2011 6:10:47 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: domiguy It would be such a scary world out there if murderers ever figured out how to use a computer or the interwebz...Thank God this is the exception...I am certain they will never have this kind of a problem out on craigslist or facebook. You are all losers. Win.

LadyPact -> RE: Dateline on Vegas murderer with Alt profile (1/18/2011 10:27:25 AM)
Here is My very simplistic view of this. I think we have to accept the fact that those who would perpetrate criminal acts (for the moment, let's not dip into 'well all of BDSM is criminal') against other people. We also have to accept that there are folks who are mentally ill, to the point of becoming violent criminals, who are on the internet. If we accept that, we also have to accept that those people are also on dating and match making sites. Heck, we have them here. (Really now. Search your inner mind and tell Me that you can't come up with a name in your mind of someone on this site that you believe is mentally off balanced.) This leads Me to believe that mentally less than sane people are on Alt, Fet, EHarmony, OKCupid, and all of the other ones. Yes, in some cases, I think the electronic version of meeting allows one to put up a better smoke screen. If they write well via email, there might not be any gut instinct that this is a dangerous person until you meet them face to face. We just had a thread recently in off topic about there are times that folks ignore their intuition and it's had bad results. That could be exactly the same type of circumstance as this one

porcelaine -> RE: Dateline on Vegas murderer with Alt profile (1/18/2011 5:43:58 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: AquaticSub One of the people being interviewed commented that it was disburbing how many people are caught because a lover/former lover/potential lover recognized some fantasty, charaterisic knot in the bindings or other little detail. It happens more often than most realize and is typically the catalyst for abrupt absences, names changes, sudden disinterest, and so on. In most cases the deceptive party has created a new life/lifestyle for themselves online that rarely mirrors the one they lead outside this space. I'm of the belief that the partner is rarely in the dark as they often claim. Catching the offending party is really simple. I'd be happy to advise for a fee. [;)] Namaste, ~porcelaine

porcelaine -> RE: Dateline on Vegas murderer with Alt profile (1/18/2011 5:57:46 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LadyPact Yes, in some cases, I think the electronic version of meeting allows one to put up a better smoke screen. If they write well via email, there might not be any gut instinct that this is a dangerous person until you meet them face to face. We just had a thread recently in off topic about there are times that folks ignore their intuition and it's had bad results. That could be exactly the same type of circumstance as this one Greetings LadyPact, Your remarks remind me of a comment I made elsewhere along similar lines. I believe it is very commonplace for people to cast judgment when the individual presents himself in a less than flattering light. Those that display some measure of decorum or intellect are often afforded more latitude and it isn't always deserving. Oftentimes the well spoken and seemingly polished person is the very one you should avoid. In some cases the victim didn't ignore their instincts but simply allowed themselves to be disarmed by making gross assumptions that inevitably lead to grievous errors in the long run. In short they're looking askance at the flawed individual and never recognize the wolf in sheep's clothing. Namaste, ~porcelaine

NihilusZero -> RE: Dateline on Vegas murderer with Alt profile (1/19/2011 6:19:17 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: porcelaine Oftentimes the well spoken and seemingly polished person is the very one you should avoid. Hey! [8D]

LadyRian -> RE: Dateline on Vegas murderer with Alt profile (1/19/2011 4:15:38 PM)
They can keep James Bond. I'll take Homer Simpson!

aBondageTop -> RE: Dateline on Vegas murderer with Alt profile (1/19/2011 9:33:59 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: hausboy I have a question for you--and I'm being serious here--do you do any internet dating? Because in my experience, and granted, it's only been three years for me, most of the time, women don't want an endless string of email. We email for about 1-2 weeks tops, and after that, a coffee date is either next up (or a phone chat) or we cut if off. Many women don't feel comfortable giving out a phone number (understandable), so we end up having a cup of coffee--which gives us both an easy out. 1 hour of our lives to see if we want to spend more than an hour together. Sometimes getting ANY information about a person can be like pulling teeth. I'm not talking about heavy duty stuff either--I'll settle for anything that can tell me something about a woman's personality--pets? favorite movies? last book she read? does she volunteer? what drives her passion...art? music? hiking? You know how women complain about guys who write them one line sentences? Women can be just as guilty of that "offense." If after three emails they won't write more than 2 sentences, I move on. And believe it or not, I'm really not bitter. I continue to date--typically once or twice a month--because I still am optimistic that there is someone special out there for me. If I didn't believe that, I wouldn't bother with it at all. I have done some internet dating, with generally good luck, but a couple of dry spells. I've had two long term relationships, and a couple that were not so long. For me, there is no "after three E-mails". Most first dates are also last dates, so I don't want to invest a lot of time, then meet and find that there is no attraction. I don't want to phone at all. If I'm interested, I want to meet as soon as possible. Maybe your prospective dates feel as I do, and lose interest if you haven't proposed a meeting in three E-mails.

paintedshadows -> RE: Dateline on Vegas murderer with Alt profile (1/19/2011 9:53:23 PM)
And this falls in with the(pretty words paint pretty pictures, but it does not reveal the true intent of the writer)category. Gave me the creeps, granted not everyone is that way, but still, makes you think twice before diving head first into something on any site.

LadyConstanze -> RE: Dateline on Vegas murderer with Alt profile (1/20/2011 7:24:28 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LadyPact Here is My very simplistic view of this. I think we have to accept the fact that those who would perpetrate criminal acts (for the moment, let's not dip into 'well all of BDSM is criminal') against other people. We also have to accept that there are folks who are mentally ill, to the point of becoming violent criminals, who are on the internet. If we accept that, we also have to accept that those people are also on dating and match making sites. Heck, we have them here. (Really now. Search your inner mind and tell Me that you can't come up with a name in your mind of someone on this site that you believe is mentally off balanced.) This leads Me to believe that mentally less than sane people are on Alt, Fet, EHarmony, OKCupid, and all of the other ones. Yes, in some cases, I think the electronic version of meeting allows one to put up a better smoke screen. If they write well via email, there might not be any gut instinct that this is a dangerous person until you meet them face to face. We just had a thread recently in off topic about there are times that folks ignore their intuition and it's had bad results. That could be exactly the same type of circumstance as this one Though I think we do overlook one thing, because of what we do, we often keep our interests hidden due to legalities or privacy concerns, it makes it easier for abusers or psychopaths to hide under the umbrella of BDSM. For most of us it's essential that what we do is consensual, but I'm pretty sure a lot of people who camouflage as D types who are trying to prey on people and rely on the fact that their victims might not go to the police because they are too embarrassed to confess their interest in BDSM.

porcelaine -> RE: Dateline on Vegas murderer with Alt profile (1/20/2011 6:39:23 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: NihilusZero Hey! [8D] There's a reason we haven't had that glass of wine. [:D] Namaste, ~porcelaine

VideoAdminTheta -> RE: Dateline on Vegas murderer with Alt profile (1/21/2011 12:12:03 PM)
Please stick to the information posted in the article and do not list names or deeds of persons that are not mentioned in the article. Thank you

MalcolmNathaniel -> RE: Dateline on Vegas murderer with Alt profile (1/23/2011 10:33:49 AM)
I notice people are worried about meeting people from the internet. It is true that it is easier to discern intentions from a face to face meeting. After all, if you were to meet me in person you would find that I am a clean cut, well dressed law student. My arm is currently in a sling so I'm obviously not dangerous and I have a nice classic VW bug! [image]local://upfiles/1079407/BB543232B6C74AB18B70F40D227D99C4.jpg[/image]

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