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RE: no limits period - 1/30/2011 9:31:15 PM   
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RE: no limits period - 1/30/2011 9:34:18 PM   
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No limits to me means, I'm finally gonna get that shed cleaned out.

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RE: no limits period - 1/30/2011 10:32:28 PM   
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RE: no limits period - 1/31/2011 12:56:34 AM   
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I think you're a moron if you even consider it.  And that you have deep psychological issues.


..... and youre rude -

he could in fact be more self realised than you will ever comprehend (clearly).

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RE: no limits period - 1/31/2011 4:39:31 AM   
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Status: offline 		Well said lally lass. I agree and more to the point it was unnecessary to be so rude. Says something about the poster doesn't it? Haven't you noticed that every man and his dog tries to become instant psychologists?

Back to the issue of No Limits, There is one area which I have not seen mentioned here. This is the area of punishment. I know people who rate their "hard limits' as house work or domestic duties. Now because I tend to believe that punishment should suited to the infraction, I will gladly issue an order for the culprit to take on additional cleaning tasks as a means of reinforcing what ever orders were broken causing vthe infraction/punishment. I have also been known to inform a culptit prior to a caning/cropping/flogging as punishment that safewords will not apply to the punishment. I and I alone will be the judge of what is enough. (Mind you any who know me also know I tend to err on the side of safety, which is different to me being a cuddle bear and softy). 


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RE: no limits period - 1/31/2011 5:05:32 AM   
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FFS, just change any statement of " I have no limits." to "I have no limits within my current dynamic." and the arguement is over. This is irregardless of what Churlain says, or how many of Ishtarr's questions that go unanswered.

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RE: no limits period - 1/31/2011 9:10:34 AM   
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Back to the issue of No Limits, There is one area which I have not seen mentioned here. This is the area of punishment. I know people who rate their "hard limits' as house work or domestic duties. Now because I tend to believe that punishment should suited to the infraction, I will gladly issue an order for the culprit to take on additional cleaning tasks as a means of reinforcing what ever orders were broken causing vthe infraction/punishment. I have also been known to inform a culptit prior to a caning/cropping/flogging as punishment that safewords will not apply to the punishment. I and I alone will be the judge of what is enough. (Mind you any who know me also know I tend to err on the side of safety, which is different to me being a cuddle bear and softy).

Now, I know you're not going to see this unless I'm quoted, but exactly how do you punish a submissive who refuses to go along with your punishment? I have asked this several times of several people. Really, what do you do if someone refuses to be caned or cropped at your whim? Report them to the local authorities? Call them names? Stick your tongue out at them?

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RE: no limits period - 1/31/2011 10:15:21 AM   
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RE: no limits period - 1/31/2011 10:18:10 AM   
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Is that really so difficult to comprehend?

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RE: no limits period - 1/31/2011 10:20:19 AM   
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I have asked this several times of several people. Really, what do you do if someone refuses to be caned or cropped at your whim? Report them to the local authorities? Call them names? Stick your tongue out at them?


I slap her face...and punish her other wise later.
If it repeats to often..it is propably the end of M/s relation.
Calling names is often involved...


glad I made you happy with answering your question..on which you waited so long..lol

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RE: no limits period - 1/31/2011 10:21:53 AM   
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Then the relationship as a Ms one, ends... null, void, over.
Is that really so difficult to comprehend?

Nope. Pretty much what I've been saying all along.

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ORIGINAL: OrionTheWolf
This is irregardless of what Churlain says, or how many of Ishtarr's questions that go unanswered.

You know you're in prime territory when you have to start making fun of someone's screen name. Good show.


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RE: no limits period - 1/31/2011 10:29:57 AM   
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Nope. Pretty much what I've been saying all along.


I don't mean to be argumentative, but that really hasn't what you have been putting across.
It's ok to just be succinct and to the point.


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RE: no limits period - 1/31/2011 10:30:45 AM   
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RE: no limits period - 1/31/2011 10:32:10 AM   
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ORIGINAL: OrionTheWolf

Making fun of a screen name? I missed something.



chuRlain you said..I think...L to much

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RE: no limits period - 1/31/2011 10:33:09 AM   
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ORIGINAL: OrionTheWolf

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FFS, just change any statement of " I have no limits." to "I have no limits within my current dynamic." and the arguement is over. This is irregardless of what Churlain says, or how many of Ishtarr's questions that go unanswered.


He means you made a typo and added an "r" to his nick.

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RE: no limits period - 1/31/2011 10:41:30 AM   
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RE: no limits period - 1/31/2011 10:59:45 AM   
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ORIGINAL: RCdc
I don't mean to be argumentative

I can take it, trust me.

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but that really hasn't what you have been putting across. It's ok to just be succinct and to the point.

That's the whole point of when I have said things like "The submissive has the ultimate veto in any scene or relationship." The dominant makes a demand, and then the submissive is always free to say no, even if that means the ultimate no of ending the relationship.

Again, barring law breaking, threats, coercion, blackmail, duress, etc., all of which vitiate consent.

I have to say, though, that if a dominant ended a relationship because a submissive refused to do something, something a little out of the ordinary, the relationship is a rather tenuous one.

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RE: no limits period - 1/31/2011 11:08:54 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Chulain
I can take it, trust me.


I am sure you can. But it isn't productive usually IMO.

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That's the whole point of when I have said things like "The submissive has the ultimate veto in any scene or relationship." >snip<
I have to say, though, that if a dominant ended a relationship because a submissive refused to do something, something a little out of the ordinary, the relationship is a rather tenuous one.


I don't see that as an ultimate veto for the s-type, it's a decision that both people can have.
Tenuous? I don't agree. If all s-types were needy, uneducated people with low self esteem who could not stand on their own two feet outside a relationship, then you might have been correct. But that isn't the case.


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RE: no limits period - 1/31/2011 11:20:54 AM   
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ORIGINAL: RCdc
I don't see that as an ultimate veto for the s-type, it's a decision that both people can have.

It's unlikely to be a simultaneous decision. At various points during the relationship, the dominant says "Do this." Every single time, the submissive is free to say "no," even if knowing that saying no, the dominant will end the relationship. The final say so is always within the submissive's power.

Again barring illegality, etc.

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Tenuous? I don't agree. If all s-types were needy, uneducated people with low self esteem who could not stand on their own two feet outside a relationship, then you might have been correct. But that isn't the case.

If a dominant is so petulant as to end the relationship because the submissive refuses to submit to something a bit out of the ordinary, that's childish. Like a vanilla couple breaking up because one of them squeezes the toothpaste from the middle. Do people have arguments about that very thing? Sure, they do. And it's childish, too. A relationship based on childishness is doomed. A vanilla relationship that would end over a toothpaste tube or a D/s one that would end based on the submissive's refusal to submit to something unusual is a tenuous one.

Let me go out on a limb and say that your relationship is based on mutual respect. If he ordered you to do something and you kind of messed up, and not on purpose, I'm betting he would not end the relationship over that.

Now if the submissive never wants to do what the dominant wants, then they are not compatible as a couple. But I'm not talking about a case where the submissive never wants to submit.

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RE: no limits period - 1/31/2011 11:27:10 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Chulain
Now, I know you're not going to see this unless I'm quoted, but exactly how do you punish a submissive who refuses to go along with your punishment? I have asked this several times of several people. Really, what do you do if someone refuses to be caned or cropped at your whim? Report them to the local authorities? Call them names? Stick your tongue out at them?


It's quite simple.  I release them.  It really is that simple.

By the way, does anyone else think it's ironic that the OP never even bothered to come back to say that he did participate in the play session, whether the "no limits" part was included or not?


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ORIGINAL: Chulain

If a dominant is so petulant as to end the relationship because the submissive refuses to submit to something a bit out of the ordinary, that's childish. Like a vanilla couple breaking up because one of them squeezes the toothpaste from the middle. Do people have arguments about that very thing? Sure, they do. And it's childish, too. A relationship based on childishness is doomed. A vanilla relationship that would end over a toothpaste tube or a D/s one that would end based on the submissive's refusal to submit to something unusual is a tenuous one.

I was actually saying this on another thread.  While I'd agree with you that something silly like squeezing the toothpaste in a certain way would be kind of ridiculous, I highly doubt those are the kinds of things that folks are punishing for.

There are things that vanilla folks would certainly end a relationship over.  Cheating is a big one for a lot of people where it's a one strike and you're out policy.  For example, My husband and I are not D/s.  However, if one of us slept with someone and it was not under the terms that we have in our marriage, we absolutely would be over.  That's not being childish.  That is knowing the amount of respect that we demand from each other and not being willing to settle for less.


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