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MasterHypnotist -> RE: Hypnosis in traing a submissive (6/14/2006 8:24:33 PM)
While I don't have the life experience that Iron Bear has, or the mind set, (Soft Dom v/s Gorean Dom) I agree with what he says. Trust is not necessary for a person to go into a hypnotic state. Also, there a numerous ways to get past the critical/cognitive mind without hypnotic inductions. "Trust," and "relaxation" are certainly two possible ingredients to entering hypnosis, but certainly not exclusive requirements. In other words, "hypnosis" is about as overblown as "the big bad wolf." Hypnosis is a natural state of mind that can be achieved in innumerable ways. However, it's not something someone should jump into, whether you want to hypnotize or want to be hypnotized. Have some people been manipulated or hurt with hypnosis? Of course they have, it's a neutral tool used to do harm! But guess what, some people have also been manipulated or hurt without hypnosis. I suspect the ratio between the two is quite large, in favor of the more mundane ways of purposefully or carelessly hurting people. If relationship enhancement, dealing with physical or emotional hurts, or positive behavior change are what a submissive desires, then working with a professional hypnotist may be their best assett. If sensual enhancement is desired, then simple guided imagery and "going with the flow" may get you to the same result as "formal" hypnotism. (But "trance" is such an awesome experience!) There's more in my profile, but my philosophy boils down to this. People change their minds in their conscious/waking state, all the time. Why can't they do the same while in hypnosis? Just some thoughts, MH

MasDom -> RE: Hypnosis in traing a submissive (9/4/2006 9:34:01 PM)
The simple point is.... trust a Hypnotist like you would a Master. Dont give in so soon and so easily. Its not just play its a Domination.

liljoy -> RE: Hypnosis in traing a submissive (9/6/2006 6:14:42 PM)
fast reply my understanding is that if you make a suggestion to someone that is under that they wouldn't willingly do it won't work Is this correct? If it is correct i can't see how it would help in training. Could some of You that use it as such give some examples? i ask because it's a subject that scares me because of my history and also interests me because i feel like it may be related to meditation, which i need to do but am unable to and subspace which i have trouble finding lil_joy

mnottertail -> RE: Hypnosis in traing a submissive (9/6/2006 6:27:42 PM)
The best answer is kinda. Here's how, like alchoholics who will drink until it is all gone, will do things that are totally out the window when drunk. There are select subjects a much smaller set of hipmotize that could be inveigled to do something somewhat beyond their ken and ???ability to psychotically handle??? (words are not popping in my head here, but I hope you catch on. So I could have this fantasy (a really strong one) that I would like to be jack the ripper (Oh, I tell you honey, I could see dancing in a girls guts in my darkest dreams) and if the temperature inversion was just right, and the wind came from the east, and I had a couple drinks, and the moon and the dewpoint was in synch, and the kroner was way down against the dollar................maybe---maybe--- I could (that's COULD) go beyond my limit--- If your limits are several rings below this, you could have some 'issues' to deal with the next day. Everything is a risk, and you gotta have trust, right? So, an elevation of risk, but not on the order of inhaling hot asbestos everyday for a week to see if you get lung cancer within a 20 year timeframe........but .......... One needs parameters until one is very comfortable, yanno? Ron

liljoy -> RE: Hypnosis in traing a submissive (9/6/2006 7:30:14 PM)
ahh so it reduces inhibitions?

tyku -> RE: Hypnosis in traing a submissive (9/10/2006 9:30:23 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: NJSubGirl ONE thing I dont agree with... I believe Trust is essential!! In a way.. If you trust me, I can lead you into a consensual trance. If someone speaks with conviction, holds a gun to your head, and uses some words threatening your life if you don't go into hypnosis.. which would you choose.. trust that they won't pull the trigger, that the gun is probably not loaded, or that the gun is both loaded and they're willing to pull the trigger? quote: ORIGINAL: liljoy ahh so it reduces inhibitions? One definition of hypnosis is that you bypass what's called the "critical faculty." This is a nomilization for the part of your mind that decides what's accepted as being real/true, and what isn't.

Simonsis -> RE: Hypnosis in traing a submissive (9/11/2006 2:25:17 PM)
Hipno - its not fair

MasDom -> RE: Hypnosis in traing a submissive (12/31/2006 4:31:42 AM)
Fair is all based on how you let it happen. I prefer light trancing some one for a fantasy they already had. If anything ,its nothing that go's to far. And the benefits are a calm out look on the rest of the day.

emdoub -> RE: Hypnosis in traing a submissive (12/31/2006 8:28:03 AM)
Yes, I've used self-hypnosis for years, and used guided self-hypnosis in the training of submissives. Do keep in mind that there's a reason that psych workers and hypnotherapists go to school to learn their subjects and get licensed - while it's probably not as dangerous as some would think, it's certainly not something to mess with unless you understand what you're doing, and what you're doing it to. For the non-pro, there's plenty of literature available on self-hypnosis techniques, and they're probably not going to cause anyone any troubles. For the deep hypnosis stuff, done by unschooled, unlicensed practitioners? Trust them the way you'd trust a self-taught, unlicensed surgeon - for exactly the same reasons. Midnight Writer

SirDominic -> RE: Hypnosis in traing a submissive (12/31/2006 8:30:46 AM)
I use hypnosis a lot, though I am only an amateur at it (that meaning I have had some training, but nothing formal or extensive). But no one yet has made the distinction that there are "different" kinds of hypnosis. When most people talk about being afraid of it, they are talking about the deep hypnotic state. That can be very powerful and one really does need someone trained to use that. But there is also a very light form of hypnosis, where the recipient is fully aware of what is happening, and probably doesn't even know that a low level of hypnosis is being used onn them. This is the kind of hypnosis I use; more the power of suggestion by using the tone of my voice. I think it really is the same thing as the mind fuck that is such a popular term in the community. No form of hypnosis should be considered completely harmless, but I believe the shallow level is relatively safe, as long as the Dom is watching the reactions of the sub carefully, which they should be doing anyway. As IronBear seems to be the most educated in this field, I would appreciate if he would respond to this; cause if I am wrong I would really like to know. Sir Dominic

MzTlaz -> RE: Hypnosis in traing a submissive (12/31/2006 9:09:04 AM)
OK...touchy subject for me because I did train as a hypnotist and saw in the class how bad at it so many people were. I was actually put into hysteria by my lab partner because she screwed up and thank God the instructor recognised what was going on and could bring me out of it. Hypnosis should not be messed with by people who don't know what they are doing! I haven't really used it in play, not by putting someone into a hypnotic state but I do use a lot of the power of suggestion if I see someone is suceptible. I have seen and had someone try to use it in play...and thank God he sucks big time at it because he's not someone who should be using a skill like that. I really think that trust is huge here....DO NOT play with hypnosis with someone you do not trust has had the training and has your best intetrests at heart.....after all would you let a person who hasn't had driving lessons drive your car? If not then why let someone who hasn't taken hypnosis lessons drive your body?

mons -> RE: Hypnosis in traing a submissive (1/11/2007 2:22:27 AM)
greetings to all i wrote a reply here but or some reason it was either take out ot just not put in why does this hppen ? i hope all can say what is on there mind in the master forum? i wrote how my father abuse me using this thing i was a subject that had to stay stilll as he pinch me with has long nials he was diabete and could not cut his own nails so i stood there is so much pain i was screaming inside of me i am not saying this is use for good but i am against it for this reason i am sure there are wonderful master who would not hurt their slave for any reason but it scared me for life and i can not even look at a program about this subject it was fiun to have him male friend see me and my twin take the pain i hated him for somegtime but now i am over it but i can not spell the word but it was so bad for him to use us in this manner. now that was all of wanted to say to all of you i say again you are not nmy sick father and i am so glad thanks for listen and yes i am in therpary as we speak take care all mons

entranser -> RE: Hypnosis in traing a submissive (2/4/2007 12:00:19 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: liljoy ahh so it reduces inhibitions? Basically, yes. You cannot be made to do something against your ethics or morals, but you will do things that you would not ordinarily do. Also, setting and situation matters greatly. If you trust the hypnotist, you will probably go much further than if you are somewhat uncomfortable. Hypnosis in the context of this website is especially effective in speeding up basic slave/sub training, creating powerful physical and emotional reactions (such as orgasms or intense feelings of desire). However, care should be taken if the hypnotist is an amateur. Whenever you mess with emotions or thoughts, unexpected junk can come up. If you are not very sure you know what to do if something goes wrong, then don't do it.

DollTrainer -> RE: Hypnosis in traing a submissive (2/4/2007 9:22:25 AM)
I have to admit that I did not read all of the posts, but enough to feel confident to add some comments from personal experience: Hypno is not "brain washing"... often it is a cool party trick, but not nearly as powerful as some think. If it was, there would not be a smoker of overweight person in the country (if they didn't want to be that is.) Mental reconditoning may use bits of hypno, but hypno is (from what I have seen) more or less just clearing the mind to expose things that are aleady there... As one person pointed out, the "memories" that are exposed are often not real, but are transfered from a ficticious event by suggestion. If there is an underlying desire, a person can change very easy. Look at what our military can do to young recruits -- but our prison systems have not been able to make significant strides in changing there wards. An unwilling person can change, but the product is much differnent and often is little more than a reflection of the person that is in control. Long term (permanent) recondtioning is possible, but is not accomplished in one evening or even a few weeks... it takes a long time and the person doing it need have an understadning of the many different ways to reach the desired product.

MomentsofHistory -> RE: Hypnosis in traing a submissive (2/7/2007 1:32:42 PM)
I love all the hot depate going on here! Would someone mind posting some of their preffered links for someone who is just barely introduced to the concepts of hynosis? Thanks and best wishes to all of you!

tyku -> RE: Hypnosis in traing a submissive (2/7/2007 5:59:54 PM)
www.hypnosis.com www.warpmymind.com www.nlp.com www.ebay.com (search for "erickon +milton -subliminal", bandler, nlp, hypnosis, hypnotism, etc)

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