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RE: Why have pro and lifestyle mixed together? - 2/1/2011 7:08:54 AM   
Lockit


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Status: offline 		You know, I think it rather funny or ironic... yes, ironic seems to be the better word... that we actually get more complaints about women being professional's or money hungry users than we do whiny men or trolls. Women have just as many problems with both of these things and yet count the threads (I am not going to, just seems this way to me that the numbers are lopsided.) and we get far more complainers about women doing this or that than we do complaints about men and what they do.

How many men come and advise the site to do away with or label and categorize women that have somehow displeased them? I bet that if you went into the email boxes of women, you would find far more trollish email from men trying to get what they want than men get from money hungry women trying to steal their hard earned money. Yet we have a constant, daily/weekly complaint thread from men unhappy.

We hear complaints about the women... the big bad women... that want something from men and yet rarely see a thread specifically for the venting of how often these women get what they want from the men. If it were not for the men being a payoff for the women seeking, the women wouldn't be here seeking. We rarely hear women complaining about fat men and yet, pick a day and you can most often find a man complaining about fat women.

Maybe women are used to taking shit from men or maybe they are more tolerant or able to cope with frustration and don't need to complain, whine or vent about the poor behavior of men and all some of them do. I don't know, but it sure seems that men are having a difficult time dealing with some of the issues that come from carrying a cock. Women carry a pussy and I am not hearing the complaints of what some men do to get them sum. The demand for that pussy, sure puts some men in a very poor mood when they aren't getting any from the amount of complaints. 'Give me some pussy and I mean give it to me because I sure as hell am not paying you damn prostitutes.' Maybe those with a cock, that can be even more fun for a straight woman, ought to think about presentation of what they have to offer or how about an in general idea of... not being cock stupid/cock selfish, so that women would be just as hungry for cock as men are for pussy. Make yourself appealing to us.

I just think it's funny that men often complain that women are too emotional and yet who is doing the most whining around here? Fickle lil bitches... deal with it. lol

I am thankful for the wonderful men around and don't mean that all men are alike, because they aren't. I just wonder if men have some form of being on the rag because they sure can be whiny emotional bitches some days.

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RE: Why have pro and lifestyle mixed together? - 2/1/2011 10:45:55 AM   
DarkSteven


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Status: offline 		Interesting, Lockit. My theory is that in person, men usually have the advantage. We are typically bigger and stronger than women, and usually make more money.

On the Internet, those things mean nothing. Intelligence, personality, and ability to communicate matter. Women are equal to men in the first two and imo superior on the third. And obviously women have a big advantage over men in the numbers game online.

I suspect a lot of the whining is due to men suddenly realizing this brave new world doesn't favor them.

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RE: Why have pro and lifestyle mixed together? - 2/1/2011 10:48:43 AM   
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ORIGINAL: manonaleash

There may be a board for pro services, but why have pro profiles mixed in with lifestyle ones?


Like you can't be both. 


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RE: Why have pro and lifestyle mixed together? - 2/1/2011 10:51:52 AM   
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Status: offline 		Actually, LNT, you're a great example of the problems with his idea. You're clearly providing a pro service, but it's debatable whether it's as a Domme.

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RE: Why have pro and lifestyle mixed together? - 2/1/2011 11:04:07 AM   
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ORIGINAL: manonaleash

Someone gets flagged 5 times for being a pro in disguise and guess what, they are a pro in disguise and should be regulated to the pro section.


Two things are clearly gonna happen here.

1.  From the amount of hate mail I had in my old social profile inbox, back when I was offering no professional services at all, I guarantee I would have gotten more than five guys flagging me out of malice because I sent a smart reply to their drooling dick picture and sexually explicit requests.  My social profile was basically "gamer geek femdom seeks gaming buddies and friends, not looking for anything else, don't write me asking for anything else, if you do that I will repost your email on my funny blog site, macro your dick pictures and make fun of you".  I still got a lot of explicit crap and dick pictures.  I had funny things to say back to them and featured some of the fun on a web site.  Oh boy did the wankers hate me.  But honestly, all you have to do to be a lifestyle femdom and be hated by men is to say "no" to them when they send you drooling wank. 

There would not be a single non pro woman who would not rack up a ton of whiny-boy male resentment for not wanting to be their free jerkoff meat.  Every single woman on the site would end up flagged.  Srsly.  That's what whiny boys do.  They send nasty emails calling you a stupid fat bitch cunt when you tell them you really didn't want to see a stranger wagging his weenie at you and begging to lick your pussy.  Do you really think that type of guy wouldn't maliciously flag in addition to being totally socially inappropriate?  A lot of guys actually do behave like this on adult sites, and they honestly get quite furious at women who tell them no.  It's pretty sick, but it's the reality of having a female profile on an adult site.

2.  Under the system you mentioned, stealth pros would just make another profile once they were flagged.  So the lifestylers following the site rules would end up stuck in the pro section because the whiny boys they said no to flagged them, and the stealth pros would constantly have shiny new profiles in the non pro section.

I don't think this is the result you would want, but it's the result you would get.


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RE: Why have pro and lifestyle mixed together? - 2/1/2011 11:41:27 AM   
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ORIGINAL: LadyNTrainer


There would not be a single non pro woman who would not rack up a ton of whiny-boy male resentment for not wanting to be their free jerkoff meat. Every single woman on the site would end up flagged. Srsly. That's what whiny boys do. They send nasty emails calling you a stupid fat bitch cunt when you tell them you really didn't want to see a stranger wagging his weenie at you and begging to lick your pussy. Do you really think that type of guy wouldn't maliciously flag in addition to being totally socially inappropriate? A lot of guys actually do behave like this on adult sites, and they honestly get quite furious at women who tell them no. It's pretty sick, but it's the reality of having a female profile on an adult site.


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I have on my profile that Im not looking, yet many whine arses have called me names when i point it out, not even for being a pro....just not accepting their cock shots..


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RE: Why have pro and lifestyle mixed together? - 2/1/2011 2:13:46 PM   
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ORIGINAL: DarkSteven

Actually, LNT, you're a great example of the problems with his idea. You're clearly providing a pro service, but it's debatable whether it's as a Domme.


Oh, make no mistake, what I do is both a pro service and done in an adult industry, pro dom context.  I'm not all that interested in doing standard pro sessions that are all "just for fun" kink and not focused on real life health and fitness, but I do reward sessions with clients who have been good boys on their diet and exercise program.  So, same difference really.  I'm the same as any other professional dominant in that respect, I just have tighter criteria for who I'll session with. 

I'm also lifestyle, active in my local community with both of my committed partners/subs, and enjoy socially networking.  What I do not enjoy is rude horny assholes invading my inbox for free jackoff material, but surprisingly I actually get much less of that with an openly professional profile than I got with a friendly non pro profile.  Go figure.  My guess is that the absolute worst offenders, the ones who send cock shots and explicit demands to many random women, avoid honest professional profiles because they know they'll be told to pay up or get out.  And these guys don't want to pay anything, not even attention or courtesy or consideration for another human being.  So they hit up the non pros mostly, thinking that non pro is the same as for free.  As in, free for them to use sexually while ignoring as a human being.  Nasty, nasty mindset, but sadly common.


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RE: Why have pro and lifestyle mixed together? - 2/2/2011 7:10:47 PM   
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Status: offline 		I agree with the original premise.  Lifestyle and professional are two different things.  Not sure how to separate them but it is like having one-night-stand casual sex mixed in with those seeking marriage.  No one benefits from that.  As for seeing the pros and moving on, I think the idea was that one could see that before getting to the details of the profile where the word "tribute" is buried.  If I was a pro I would go to maxfisch and not here, unless of course I was 'trolling" for subs that I could "flip" into clients.

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RE: Why have pro and lifestyle mixed together? - 2/2/2011 7:16:23 PM   
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Hey OP, why not just ask why are cheating married spouses and singles mixed together?  There ya go, throw that in the mix too while we're at it. 


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RE: Why have pro and lifestyle mixed together? - 2/2/2011 10:01:16 PM   
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I agree with the original premise.  Lifestyle and professional are two different things.  Not sure how to separate them but it is like having one-night-stand casual sex mixed in with those seeking marriage.  No one benefits from that.  As for seeing the pros and moving on, I think the idea was that one could see that before getting to the details of the profile where the word "tribute" is buried.  If I was a pro I would go to maxfisch and not here, unless of course I was 'trolling" for subs that I could "flip" into clients.


Wow, so much in common with, and so similar to, the OP.  Do you two know each other?

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RE: Why have pro and lifestyle mixed together? - 2/2/2011 10:19:01 PM   
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ORIGINAL: CalifChick

quote:

ORIGINAL: QueenStWest

I agree with the original premise.  Lifestyle and professional are two different things.  Not sure how to separate them but it is like having one-night-stand casual sex mixed in with those seeking marriage.  No one benefits from that.  As for seeing the pros and moving on, I think the idea was that one could see that before getting to the details of the profile where the word "tribute" is buried.  If I was a pro I would go to maxfisch and not here, unless of course I was 'trolling" for subs that I could "flip" into clients.


Wow, so much in common with, and so similar to, the OP.  Do you two know each other?

Cali



Heh heh heh, good catch.

Hey there 'new' poster on the thread, no one is really arguing against having lifestyle and pro separated, they're saying that there isn't really a fair way to do it. The flagging thing that the OP came up with sucked for various reasons. So what's the solution then?

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RE: Why have pro and lifestyle mixed together? - 2/2/2011 10:28:58 PM   
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Status: offline 		Isn't that Step Three of the Whiner's Guide to Posting?

1.  Make a whining post.
2.  Whine more when people don't agree with your first whine.
3.  Create another account to give support to your opening post, since no one else will.
4a.  Make a third account to support the first two, or,
4b.  Have account number two tell everyone else how wrong they are, how mean, how jealous (name your poison).
5.  Deny that you made any of the accounts.
6.  Kill off account number 2 and 3 because no one is going to forget that you made them in the first place.
7.  Act like everyone else is crazy and you're the sane one.

That about cover it?


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RE: Why have pro and lifestyle mixed together? - 2/2/2011 10:49:09 PM   
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RE: Why have pro and lifestyle mixed together? - 2/3/2011 12:11:23 AM   
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Status: offline 		When I was pro domming, I was also very active in the lifestyle outside of my sessions (and still am). I also had personal collared submissives that I met outside of any sessions and they never paid me a cent. They DID do work for me that I would have had to pay for if they hadn't done it. They also bought me nice gifts from time to time. Wrong to mix lifestyle dommes with the pro dommes? Really? Where do you draw the line?
I was on another site for a while that charged me and they had a rule that pro dommes were not allowed to advertise in their profile. Everywhere I looked, I saw pro dommes advertising anyway. I decided if they could do it, why couldn't I? All went well for a few months. Well, one night I got in a pissing match with someone who wouldn't leave me alone. Guess what? The next day I was told that my profile would be removed from the site and what was left of my membership would be refunded. Reason? I was advertising as a pro domme. Maybe, just maybe that guy and his friends decided to point me out because I wouldn't give him what he wanted. I opened up a new profile with no mention of pro domming and still everywhere I looked I saw other dommes doing it. IT DOESN'T WORK!
I've seen how nasty people can get when this topic comes up and you've been let down pretty easy so far. Probably because you're new. I'd suggest you take everyone's advice and let it go before YOU'RE flagged as "that whiney guy who complained about the site as soon as he joined it". It's a free friggin site. If you don't like it, demand a refund and leave.
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RE: Why have pro and lifestyle mixed together? - 2/3/2011 12:42:54 AM   
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RE: Why have pro and lifestyle mixed together? - 2/3/2011 6:40:57 AM   
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Status: offline 		This is getting complicated.  It's just too hard to classify the women that are both lifestyle and pro.

How about we simply ban them from collarme altogether?  Can we remove their Internet connections while we're at it?

/Runs and hides/ 




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RE: Why have pro and lifestyle mixed together? - 2/3/2011 7:14:20 AM   
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Status: offline 		Steven, does that mean female submissives get banned too?  Dammmmmmmmmmmmit man, I can't live without my interet connection and you just can't send me back to yahoo chat, I WANT TO LIIIIIIIIIIIIIVE!!!!!!!! 

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RE: Why have pro and lifestyle mixed together? - 2/4/2011 1:43:51 AM   
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ORIGINAL: lizi

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ORIGINAL: manonaleash

Firstly, I never said  ... etc


Really? You don't see anything wrong with your "method"?

I'm avoiding doing my studying this morning and in a chatty mood so ok, let's say that users of this site can flag other users in the manner that you described above for being a pro. Let's pretend my own profile is changed to say that I'm looking for a partner and you contact me with that in mind...and I turn you down. Subsequently you are ticked and flag me for being a pro, because after all I must be if I'm turning away a perfectly good chance at a lifestyle relationship. You honestly don't see the problem in having people pronounce judgement in any way on others?

There aren't many lifestyle Dommes here or on any site. They get innundated with requests, any one of those potential suitors could be exasperated by not getting anywhere and decide to check off the pro flag just out of spite or frustration. I could have a beef with you and check off the pro box on you. Are you getting the fact that it really really wouldn't work?

You are right OP, this is a problem that some people are deliberately trying to mislead others, but there isnt' an effective way to clear things up or it would've been done by now. It's nice that you aren't slamming the pros, I do commend you for that, and you are right that it IS a very powerful designation to toss about so why would you want a perfect stranger whose motives are not your own be able to pronounce anything at all upon yourself or anyone else on here?

Labeling someone as a crybaby may not be the most helpful thing in the world but quite frankly neither is your solution. If you did come up with something that would improve things here I'm sure people would pay attention to it, but as it is this subject has been mentioned a bazillion times and  no one has ever come up with an effective way to deal with it. You don't seem to be trolling, but you are being incredibly obtuse if this flag method is the best thing you have to offer. Do some research on past threads to become acquainted with eye-opening discussions on how men react in general to being rejected and how nasty they are to the women who politely say, no thanks. Then tell me how effective the flagging method is going to be.

It is frustrating to be misled. There are people out there deliberately misleading others in the hopes of getting some cash. It's going to be very tricky instituting anything as a fix because these people will look for ways to keep getting their $. It must work somehow for them. Sadly enough this happens in any walk of life, CM isn't special and the nice people aren't the only ones who come here but you also can't be the judge and jury of who is nice and who isn't - it's much too complicated for that. As it is I'm glad that we all get to use this site free from the worry that Joe Blow in NV will start calling other people names because he didn't get an instant Domme upon joining the site.



Just to say - what a gentle, sensible, helpful post.

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RE: Why have pro and lifestyle mixed together? - 2/4/2011 1:46:19 AM   
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RE: Why have pro and lifestyle mixed together? - 2/4/2011 3:31:15 AM   
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No actually, it is not easy.  When pros "veil themselves" as being non pro.  Try investing time, energy and emotion into someone who finally says that they need you to join a website so you can see their private photo gallery.  Or many then just want you to pay a tribute (fee) only once to prove you are sincere.  It serves everyone's best interest for all of us to be honest and up front.  After all we are all adults as you say.


If you can't handle the internet, then I suggest you spend your time at munches instead...might be easier for you to meet people off the screen than behind the screen.

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