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RE: United States to Pursue UN Global Gun Ban - 2/13/2011 11:58:21 AM   
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RE: United States to Pursue UN Global Gun Ban - 2/13/2011 12:24:56 PM   
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Status: offline 		"Zundel was never a US citizen "

Interesting. I won't argue with wiki on that one. I thought he was. Turns out he was turned down for Canadian citizenship, why wouldn't he apply for US citizenship ?

That doesn't really disprove much though, you didn't wreck my day, you'll have to try harder :-)

The fact is though that he was here because he was wanted in Germany for something that is not a crime here. Where were the open hands, the scales of justice, the statue of liberty, down for maintainence ? No, his beliefs were intolerable. Remember that when preaching tolerance.

People bemoan the "trampling" of rights of illegal immigrants, which is it, do they have rights or not ?

Any entanglement of our law with that of other nations is repugnant to the Constitution, and any moves in that direction should be watched very closely. Somebody has to do it. I just wish they would separate the facts from their conclusions. Not that I am totally innocent in that regard, but one must draw conclusions, and as far as I'm concerned, we shouldn't even be discussing this AT ALL. Is this a fucking nation state beholden to some higher power, or are we a sovereign nation ?

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RE: United States to Pursue UN Global Gun Ban - 2/13/2011 12:53:26 PM   
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Status: offline 		Term, I hate to tell you this, but countries extradite people to the US for crimes committed in the US that may not be crimes in the country where they are citizens.

Under extradition treaties, people are extradited for crimes committed in other countries, that is how extradition works.

And he was not extradited from the states, he was extradited from Canada, he was deported from the states. BIG DIFFERENCE

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RE: United States to Pursue UN Global Gun Ban - 2/13/2011 1:19:23 PM   
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I've read of three cases in which US citizens were extradited to foreign countries after not breaking any US law. The one I can easily prove is that of Ernst Zundel. You might not like him or his ideology, but that wasn't a reason for criminal action in this country last I checked.

I believe though that Zundel was a dual citizen, but even at that when in US obey US law, when in Germany obey German law. Makes sense right ?



Zundel was never a U.S citizen.  In fact, he was never even a Canadian citizen despite living most of his life there.

The only action the U.S. government took against him was to deport him for overstaying his visa.




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RE: United States to Pursue UN Global Gun Ban - 2/13/2011 1:40:04 PM   
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RE: United States to Pursue UN Global Gun Ban - 2/13/2011 1:55:43 PM   
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Status: offline 		I see his "crime" as political. That should make him eligible for asylum.

I found out he was never a citizen here, I admitted it. What the FUCK more do you want ?

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RE: United States to Pursue UN Global Gun Ban - 2/13/2011 1:56:49 PM   
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RE: United States to Pursue UN Global Gun Ban - 2/13/2011 2:00:39 PM   
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RE: United States to Pursue UN Global Gun Ban - 2/13/2011 2:08:00 PM   
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Under extradition treaties, people are extradited for crimes committed in other countries, that is how extradition works.


Unless the person already ended up in court for that crime committed abroad in another country....as not too long ago a german doctor who killed a patient in the UK could not be brought in front of the UK court anymore as he had received a rather lenient sentence for it already in front of the german court

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RE: United States to Pursue UN Global Gun Ban - 2/13/2011 2:20:22 PM   
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Oh God.

International law in no way overrides individual nations' laws.  The SCOTUS interprets US laws, not those of other countries.

I believe that international law governs nations, not individuals within them.



you are so wrong.  if you look up in rem that is an admiralty or merchantile procedure which is against the thing and NOT the law of the land but the law of the sea brought onto land.

They combined in 33 and all but took away your remedy under law, its a "words of art" minefield.

sorr I didnt not get a chance to read that, I guess I have to void another source .....  I dont do that with law just bullshit politics that most out here thrive in. :)


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RE: United States to Pursue UN Global Gun Ban - 2/13/2011 2:54:44 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Termyn8or

"Zundel was never a US citizen "

Interesting. I won't argue with wiki on that one. I thought he was. Turns out he was turned down for Canadian citizenship, why wouldn't he apply for US citizenship ?

That doesn't really disprove much though, you didn't wreck my day, you'll have to try harder :-)

The fact is though that he was here because he was wanted in Germany for something that is not a crime here. Where were the open hands, the scales of justice, the statue of liberty, down for maintainence ? No, his beliefs were intolerable. Remember that when preaching tolerance.

People bemoan the "trampling" of rights of illegal immigrants, which is it, do they have rights or not ?

Any entanglement of our law with that of other nations is repugnant to the Constitution, and any moves in that direction should be watched very closely. Somebody has to do it. I just wish they would separate the facts from their conclusions. Not that I am totally innocent in that regard, but one must draw conclusions, and as far as I'm concerned, we shouldn't even be discussing this AT ALL. Is this a fucking nation state beholden to some higher power, or are we a sovereign nation ?

If it's tornado season do you prepare, or do you just hope there isn't a tornado ?

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Bullshit.

You claimed he was a citizen. He isn't.
You claimed he broke no US laws. He was in the US illegally which most certainly is a violation of federal law.

Those are the factual claims you made about Zundel and both are wrong. You simply made shit up about a racist thug.

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RE: United States to Pursue UN Global Gun Ban - 2/13/2011 3:19:17 PM   
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Status: offline 		So Mexicans have rights here but Germans don't.

Got it.

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RE: United States to Pursue UN Global Gun Ban - 2/13/2011 3:23:23 PM   
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how can he violate federal law if he is not a citi-zen and "subject" to the jurisdiction thereof? 

there  are so many propblems with the for the most part with the legal system that they changed too after 1861 I cant even begin to list them all.

Its basicaly all bullshit.

these turn on me's change the fucking definitions of words and that is how it has been done since the beginning of well not time, but kings and "rulers"...






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RE: United States to Pursue UN Global Gun Ban - 2/13/2011 3:40:45 PM   
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hey ken.....

how can he violate federal law if he is not a citi-zen and "subject" to the jurisdiction thereof? 

there  are so many propblems with the for the most part with the legal system that they changed too after 1861 I cant even begin to list them all.

Its basicaly all bullshit.

these turn on me's change the fucking definitions of words and that is how it has been done since the beginning of well not time, but kings and "rulers"...







Because "jurisdiction" in this case refers to territorial jurisdiction, which is quite applicable in the case of immigration law no matter the state of citizenship. There is also personal jurisdiction, over an individual, as Germany exercised during his criminal trial. And finally subject-matter jurisdiction.

If you're going to argue legalities, spend at least 5 minutes reading up on the subject matter.  

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RE: United States to Pursue UN Global Gun Ban - 2/13/2011 3:50:53 PM   
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So Mexicans have rights here but Germans don't.

Got it.

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Nice strawman ya got there. Regardless of ethnicity, if we pick up someone and their home country wants them back...we tend to send them back. It's called extradition. If we pick up someone and they're here illegally, we try to deport them. That's called deportation. In no way were his rights violated.

Mexicans have fuck all to do with it.

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RE: United States to Pursue UN Global Gun Ban - 2/13/2011 3:59:14 PM   
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Montana is leaving the UN.  I think PA should too. 
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RE: United States to Pursue UN Global Gun Ban - 2/13/2011 4:05:57 PM   
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hey ken.....

how can he violate federal law if he is not a citi-zen and "subject" to the jurisdiction thereof? 




Ok... wait a minute... now you're saying that only citizens have to obey the laws of the land? Foreign nationals are above the law?

You aren't really going to try that, are you?


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RE: United States to Pursue UN Global Gun Ban - 2/13/2011 4:14:47 PM   
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Status: offline 		Panda, according to Realone, the federal government is not the legal government of the United States, so in his warped mind, no one has to follow federal law.

As I say, Realone, Rule, Pahunk has a very faint, if any, grasp with reality.

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RE: United States to Pursue UN Global Gun Ban - 2/13/2011 4:17:46 PM   
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RE: United States to Pursue UN Global Gun Ban - 2/13/2011 4:24:01 PM   
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No wonder     eeeeebil eeeelegal eeemigrants are pissing everyone off, RO told em they dont have to abide by the rules of the land. !!!!






Get it straight Lucy, Realone says NO ONE has to follow federal law.

Personally, IF there was some secret government agency that is supposed to deal with "patriots" like real, rule and pahunk, I wish they would hurry up and deal with them, or at least take away their internet service.

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