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came4U -> You've come a long way baby..NOT!! (2/17/2011 1:54:32 PM)

http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/Canada/2011/02/17/17312736.html

WOW.  Sexual Assault Training just went back 30+ years to the stone age. Is this how some people still think?  Not to mention the recent rape attack of the journalist in Egypt being accused (publicly) by some and blaming 'her' for the attack for being 'in the wrong place, at the wrong time'.

When will we come out of the stone age and be respected (or, in our case, bountifully disrespected courteously and consensually) for being human beings?  Just how do so-called 'vanillas' get off on being so vile yet are pretentious enough to claim to be the 'sane and civil' of society?  I ask you...When??? Is THIS any sort of message that is actually scoffed at or do people actually still believe in these theories?



Tantriqu -> RE: You've come a long way baby..NOT!! (2/17/2011 2:05:28 PM)

Yeah. If Anderson Cooper had been raped, would anyone say that? Wellll, maybe some homophobes, so we'll say wee little George Stephanopoulos? There would be some smoking craters in Cairo right now.
But a blonde chick: shrug.

Edited to add: the unarmed women who rescued her from the ravening mob are the real heroes.



SorceressJ -> RE: You've come a long way baby..NOT!! (2/17/2011 2:09:46 PM)

The more things change, the more they stay the same.
Raped out in public, no less. And the attack was stopped by other females.
I can only pray for this woman's healing, feeling her in spirit as another female, and hope that she carried scraps of bloody Egyptian pig asshole flesh away with her, under her fingernails. [>:]

What century is this, again..? [8|] I forgot..



littlewonder -> RE: You've come a long way baby..NOT!! (2/17/2011 3:49:01 PM)

hhmm...not sure why you seem to think that only "vanillas" do this sort of thing......

I guess bdsm people would never do something like this! [8|]



maybemaybenot -> RE: You've come a long way baby..NOT!! (2/17/2011 8:13:47 PM)

Exactly how do you know this officer was " vanilla " ?

Does that mean that Ronda Bessner, the dean who filed the complaint is a kinkster ?
And how about the Chief and the other officers who were " appalled " by the comment ? Are they kinksters too ?

Ignorant assholes come from every walk of life. I've met my fair share of " vile" and " pretentious " kinky folk too.

mbmbn



came4U -> RE: You've come a long way baby..NOT!! (2/17/2011 8:28:39 PM)

Likely they could be, who knows.  But, if the guy discusses 'sluts' as a bad thing---it isn't anyone I would run into LOL

He sounds like a repressed baztard indeed.

Besides, it is by no means any sort of acceptable speech by a public officer. The very idea of blaming the victim is beyond primitive.



maybemaybenot -> RE: You've come a long way baby..NOT!! (2/17/2011 8:40:34 PM)


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ORIGINAL: came4U

Likely they could be, who knows.  But, if the guy discusses 'sluts' as a bad thing---it isn't anyone I would run into LOL

He sounds like a repressed baztard indeed.

Besides, it is by no means any sort of acceptable speech by a public officer. The very idea of blaming the victim is beyond primitive.




I agree with your last sentence. The guy made a stupid/ignorant remark. Does it deserve a reprimand? Sure it does. I just don't think it reaches tthe realm of a public hanging.

As for " slut " being a bad thing. Well.... maybe it's me, but I wouldn't appreciate it if random strangers or worse yet: my family or friends called me a slut. Within the dynamic of my personal relationship with a SO, it means a whole different thing. The word slut * can * be a bad thing, depending on the context/intent of the usage. At least that's how I see it.

mbmbn

mbmbn



came4U -> RE: You've come a long way baby..NOT!! (2/17/2011 9:26:03 PM)

I dunno, it bothers some people and not others.

Yet, in this case, being accused of being a 'slut' according to what a gal wears is the issue.  It doesn't matter if a chick has slept with 3 guys in a lifetime or 300, some get called sluts in either case, for various legitimate or non-legit reasons. Clothing should not be one of these reasons. Nor should it be cause for finger-pointing of the causation of the violent act of rape.  The officer is supposed to be trained to know the REAL root cause of rape--which is the need for power through violence, not a woman's hair, height, weight, age, location or how tight her skirt is. We have the right to live in a civilized society that acknowledges the basic need to feel safe and secure from predators. Even more; women should feel equally protected from the legal system and the public after-the-fact if a rape occurred. 



LadyPact -> RE: You've come a long way baby..NOT!! (2/17/2011 9:33:21 PM)

I had to read the article twice to make sure I was getting it right.  No, it's not acceptable speech for a public officer.  Especially one who is in the setting specifically to be giving a class.

I'm not saying hang the guy over the incident, but I do think a disciplinary measure is warranted.  They may also want to think about having another individual take the guy's place as the representative giving the talk.  Perhaps one who did a little better in sensitivity training.



came4U -> RE: You've come a long way baby..NOT!! (2/17/2011 9:36:10 PM)

quote:

Perhaps one who did a little better in sensitivity training.


I hope so too.  I believe he will be replaced.  If he speaks like that in public, imagine how he talks in the locker room.  They had to have known he is a jackass on the front-lines and made a big mistake in putting him up for public display.



maybemaybenot -> RE: You've come a long way baby..NOT!! (2/17/2011 9:40:57 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: came4U


Yet, in this case, being accused of being a 'slut' according to what a gal wears is the issue.  It doesn't matter if a chick has slept with 3 guys in a lifetime or 300, some get called sluts in either case, for various legitimate or non-legit reasons. Clothing should not be one of these reasons. Nor should it be cause for finger-pointing of the causation of the violent act of rape.  The officer is supposed to be trained to know the REAL root cause of rape--which is the need for power through violence, not a woman's hair, height, weight, age, location or how tight her skirt is. We have the right to live in a civilized society that acknowledges the basic need to feel safe and secure from predators. Even more; women should feel equally protected from the legal system and the public after-the-fact if a rape occurred. 




completely agree with this



DesFIP -> RE: You've come a long way baby..NOT!! (2/18/2011 1:57:15 PM)

Should has very little to do with people IME. Unfortunately a pretty young girl sauntering down the street at 2:00 AM in an outfit designed to make her look sexually attractive to men will attract the attention of men she didn't want to attract. And if they're drunk, then it's more likely that rape will occur.

Is it right? Hell, no. But is this what does happen? Unfortunately yes.



hlen5 -> RE: You've come a long way baby..NOT!! (2/18/2011 2:28:34 PM)

Interesting verb, "sauntering".........



daintydimples -> RE: You've come a long way baby..NOT!! (2/18/2011 2:33:54 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: DesFIP

Should has very little to do with people IME. Unfortunately a pretty young girl sauntering down the street at 2:00 AM in an outfit designed to make her look sexually attractive to men will attract the attention of men she didn't want to attract. And if they're drunk, then it's more likely that rape will occur.

Is it right? Hell, no. But is this what does happen? Unfortunately yes.


Agreed.

Wrong as I feel it is, the double standard does exist, and many females will be judged by it, and worse, have it used as an excuse to justify rape or other sexual assault. Of course it is very wrong to view someone as a slut b/c of clothing, but letting young females know how they will be viewed by certain males if they dress a particular way is good information, IMO. Is it very sad it needs to be said? Well, yes. Doesn't mean you don't need to say it.

Wrong as it seems to me, there is a certain class of male who will always see females as substandard humans, and will treat them accordingly. And since males tend to be larger, stronger and more physically aggressive, females need to know how to protect themselves.

We now live in world of political correctness, where using the correct term is more important than awareness. Too bad.



kalikshama -> RE: You've come a long way baby..NOT!! (2/18/2011 2:40:25 PM)

http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/Canada/2011/02/17/17312736.html

quote:

"One of the safety tips was for women not to dress like 'sluts.'


Here's where my though process started, so please don't crucify me until you finish reading my post!

Not being inoffensive does not negate this statement's value as safety tip. He could have recommended against "wearing a short tight skirt and a shirt that shows cleavage" but "don't dress like a slut" creates a usable mental picture.

I was also thinking that for rapists who are opportunists, a short skirt creates an easier opportunity than jeans.

Agreeing with Celeste:

quote:

Unfortunately a pretty young girl sauntering down the street at 2:00 AM in an outfit designed to make her look sexually attractive to men will attract the attention of men she didn't want to attract. And if they're drunk, then it's more likely that rape will occur.

Is it right? Hell, no. But is this what does happen? Unfortunately yes.


Then I thought to try to find statistics on clothing and rape, and found this:

http://www.d.umn.edu/cla/faculty/jhamlin/3925/myths.html

quote:

Myth: Most rapes occur on the street, by strangers, or by a few crazy men.

FACT Over 50% of reported rapes occur in the home. 80% of sexual assaults reported by college age women and adult women were perpetrated by close friends or family members.


And concluded that the officer was in fact perpetuating a stereotype and should have been focusing on preventing acquaintance rape.



DesFIP -> RE: You've come a long way baby..NOT!! (2/19/2011 6:51:36 AM)

I wouldn't know about that.

I haven't looked at statistics but I have a college aged daughter who stopped one rape by discovering her friend nearly comatose (roofies) and beating the crap out of the rapist. The cops had to drag her off him.

She also had another friend who got drunk at a party, asked friends there to see her safely home, and was offered to be walked home by another student who was on Public Safety, and who took advantage of her trust in him working for that organization to help her work her key and then rape her once he was inside.

Myself, I'd warn girls about not drinking.



MercTech -> RE: You've come a long way baby..NOT!! (2/20/2011 5:38:37 AM)

And the "dress like a slut" concept varies with culture and time.
In the 1700's, bare teats were a common sight and court fashions were often open bodiced and makeup was worn to enhance the upper anatomy of court ladies.. But, heaven forbid.. only lowly slatterns would allow their ankles to be viewed in public.

Stefan



came4U -> RE: You've come a long way baby..NOT!! (2/26/2011 8:57:09 AM)

and yet it happens again.

This time in court: http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/Crime/2011/02/26/17418356.html

"Justice Robert Dewar made explicit references to the victim's attire and suggested her attacker believed "sex was in the air." Last week, Dewar rejected a Crown appeal for a stiff prison sentence and granted the Thompson man a conditional sentence of two years less a day. "

"These statements by (Justice) Dewar are reinforcing the myth of implied consent and the myth that a victim of sexual assault is ultimately responsible for their own victimization," said Alanna Makinson of the Canadian Federation of Students.



mnottertail -> RE: You've come a long way baby..NOT!! (2/26/2011 9:00:01 AM)

get your bhurka on, and shut up slut...........

LOL.



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