It's all in the Hrist.

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ImaginativeWhims -> It's all in the Hrist. (2/20/2011 5:25:53 PM)
Technique I say! This one will be a doozy. I love the whip. The slithering sound it makes when dragged across naked flesh, the feel of the braided leather, the smell of the preserving oils, the intimidation it represents... all of it. Tied against a wall the first crack of the whip, be it on skin or not... you will jump. It gives me glorious chills just thinking about it. Sadly, I am no expert with a whip. I've attended a seminar on whip safety and usage for beginners but I haven't found the right masochist to allow me to make the mistakes I will make learning to master it. For now I tend to use it more for shock value, drawing it across skin, cracking it at times, then reverting to what I am familiar with... leather gloved hands, the crop, the Violet wand, the flogger, etc. Implements of Sadistic/Masochistic pleasure vary infinitely, it all boils down to the imagination. For the next few moments I'd like to pick your brain about a couple of things. Be you the Master/Dom/Top in the situation (whatever it may be), or the slave/sub/bottom... I'd like to know what your poison is, and how you make it yours (for those on the receiving end, how does He/She make it so you crave it above others?). Do you have a specific technique you favor, and if so, did you learn it in public play then adjust it to your liking, or did you create it yourself? Was it discussed with your partner at the time until it was just right, or did you flesh out (no pun intended) the path to pleasure solo? I know it's a lot to ask, which is why I said this one would be a doozy... For your time and consideration I will order a pizza. Just ask and I'll e-mail you a slice. (For those that aren't carnivores such as myself I'll order a Gluten-free Wheat Crust, Soy cheese, organic garlic pesto pizza)

LadyPact -> RE: It's all in the Hrist. (2/20/2011 6:31:27 PM)
Pepperoni and mushroom for Me. Thanks. On the whip, I was working with someone just last night with that particular toy. Might I suggest to you that you do your practicing without a live target involved? Practice is for pillows, not people. As to what My poison is, unlike the pizza, it varies according to My mood. More people would tell you that I'm probably better known for florentine flogging than anything else. Dragon tails especially. (They crack, too.) The style definitely is My own. I tend to think that more folks can identify Me from that than just about anything. I'm an impact player and most of the toys in My bag are in balanced pairs. At the same time, I don't like to limit Myself. Needles are awesome for Me. I got My violet wand time yesterday. My last scene of the evening (morning [;)]) was with wax where I was just drifting away. Knife to remove, which is always the icing on the cake. I got to indulge My hair fetish during one of My scenes earlier in the day and that was just fabulous. The basics I learned through exposure to public play and seeking out more instruction from whoever did the class. History is now repeating itself with Me as the instructor. I must have answered a dozen emails today because somebody saw Me during this scene or that wanting to learn. I've already promised that I would do some work with folks on fire play this coming week, which wasn't even one of the types of play that I engaged in yesterday, but a class that I've taught on in the past. How did I make these things Mine? By My own special flare. I don't want to be a carbon copy of other players. It works for Me.

ImaginativeWhims -> RE: It's all in the Hrist. (2/20/2011 8:40:02 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LadyPact Practice is for pillows, not people. Any particular reason for pillows? I'd like to know what kind of impact I'm causing, would be difficult to gauge with something that doesn't leave marks/impressions. Do pillows receive the whip like flesh does? (I'm not being sarcastic, I'm genuinely curious.)

DarkSteven -> RE: It's all in the Hrist. (2/20/2011 9:17:46 PM)
There is a group in Colorado that deals with nothing but whips. I have attended it several times and Masters with decades of experience were cheerfully advising greenhorns like myself. Maybe there's a group like that close to you?

NocturnalStalker -> RE: It's all in the Hrist. (2/20/2011 9:21:38 PM)
If they're not bleeding, they're not screaming. CORRECT IT.

strangedesire -> RE: It's all in the Hrist. (2/20/2011 9:58:28 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: ImaginativeWhims Any particular reason for pillows? I'd like to know what kind of impact I'm causing, would be difficult to gauge with something that doesn't leave marks/impressions. Do pillows receive the whip like flesh does? (I'm not being sarcastic, I'm genuinely curious.) If you hit someone wrong with a singletail, you can maim them. Your aim needs to be precise before you can play on live targets. (I'm surprised that this didn't come up in a whip safety class.)

LadyPact -> RE: It's all in the Hrist. (2/20/2011 10:00:16 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: ImaginativeWhims Any particular reason for pillows? I'd like to know what kind of impact I'm causing, would be difficult to gauge with something that doesn't leave marks/impressions. Do pillows receive the whip like flesh does? (I'm not being sarcastic, I'm genuinely curious.) The expression is one regarding targeting. It's about getting your aim down and hitting the same spot over and over. A pillow, if you miss, and don't hit that inch that you're aiming for, doesn't hurt anyone. You're not going to break anything using it. Plus, it's soft enough that you can tell the difference between the actual whip crack than the sound a whip will make hitting a hard object. My backyard has a built in practice area. I have a patio that has a covered area that just happens to have hanging vines. Taking the leaves off one at a time is a perfect solution. The leaves are only 2-3" in size, so they make excellent targets. If more than one comes off, I missed. You can do the same thing with hanging balloons or pieces of toilet paper. The drawback to those is that you have to clean it up. I was going to have to trim the vines anyway. Might as well have fun while I'm doing it.

hausboy -> RE: It's all in the Hrist. (2/20/2011 10:12:07 PM)
On pillows and targets... it's how I learned as well. I used a chalk outline on the pillow. Then, I graduated to the tennis ball. Take a tennis ball, carefully bore a hole through it and place a long eye bolt through the diameter. Then, suspend the tennis ball from either rope or chain. Practice hitting the ball straight on-- if you're using a flogger or a single-tail--it doesn't "count" if the body of the whip catches the ball or the rope/chain--the hit should be focused right on the ball. You'll know when you hit your target--and based on how the ball swings, you'll know how hard the hit. When you've got that perfected, practice with the tennis ball slightly moving. As a bottom, I mostly played in public spaces--local dungeons with two or three tops that I knew very well, and as I developed more unusual tastes for things outside their scope--I sought out women who were experts in those genres. My (ex) Domme started off bottoming to me--it was her first S/M experience, and I gave her a taste of everything to see what she liked. And then, little by little, I showed her what I liked--and luckily for me, turns out she enjoyed being in charge. Once I settled down with my (ex) Domme-- over time, I lost my taste for those other types of heavier play but developed a deep love for wooden paddles. The way to make me crave it more is to withhold it--and reserve for those "special occasions." As a topfist--I learned my "craft" courtesy of two very talented, kinky, patient and kind leatherdykes who took me back to their trailer in the woods one weekend, and taught me everything I know, something I truly will be eternally grateful for! Hands-on training in every sense of the word. I turned a local novice subgirl onto fisting, and she begged me to teach her new girlfriend how to do it. Mentoring is how I learned from others--and I'm always happy to mentor someone else.

MaamJay -> RE: It's all in the Hrist. (2/20/2011 10:17:55 PM)
Chalking a + onto an old pillow works well ... you can easily see if you hit or miss. And it's easily renewable and inexpensive ... you can lie the pillow down or tie it to a post to simulate different sub positions in which you may want to use the whip. Some people do similarly when they are learning accuracy when caning ... they chalk 6 lines and then see if they can hit each in turn ... can use different coloured chalks even! Though I do like LP's idea with the vine leaves ... inspired! Maam Jay aka violet[A]

IronBear -> RE: It's all in the Hrist. (2/20/2011 10:48:36 PM)
I like using the pell I use for sword practice. Just as I can take off a ribbon tied to the pell with a sword I'd prefer to try that with a bull whip and see how it goes.

DesFIP -> RE: It's all in the Hrist. (2/21/2011 11:57:45 AM)
You want to learn by doing such damage to a person that they need surgery to repair? Because that's what you will do when you hit wrong. Practice on pillows. When you no longer are having feathers fly around the room, when you are no longer cutting open the pillow case at that point you move up to playing cards. You need to be so good that you never cut the card off the line it is pinned to, and then you practice on tissues pinned to a line until you can get it to flutter without tearing it. Oh, and to get this good that you are safe to play with? Prepare to spend an hour or two daily for the better part of a year. If you aren't willing to spend this time, just pin a sign to your neck saying dangerous top.

Madame4a -> RE: It's all in the Hrist. (2/21/2011 12:16:02 PM)
Pillows it is.. but I also went on to work on specific leaves on trees... I did, however, do all my learning with a whip that never touched flesh... after you've sliced leaves in half off trees... you need to change the cracker at the end or not use that whip on flesh... but yes.. pillows.. there are pillows in hotels in major cities all over America that I practiced on when I was traveling a lot for work...

kalikshama -> RE: It's all in the Hrist. (2/21/2011 5:44:00 PM)
I'm going to bookmark this thread for reference to all the young doms who whine that they are rejected for lack of experience. None of them say "I've gone to hundreds of demos, I've spent thousands of hours practicing." No. They want to call themselves a master without doing any of the work. Kudos to you, IW, for seeking knowledge (the above was in reaction to this not your OP.)

ImaginativeWhims -> RE: It's all in the Hrist. (2/22/2011 11:38:37 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DesFIP Oh, and to get this good that you are safe to play with? Prepare to spend an hour or two daily for the better part of a year. If you aren't willing to spend this time, just pin a sign to your neck saying dangerous top. I'd quit my job and move to a monastery full of monks to devote my life to the art of the whip, if such a place existed. Since coming back to read here, I've looked into the community in Colorado that was mentioned and have contacted a few people who run workshops up there. Mid-March I'll be flying up to learn more. Thanks all!

WinsomeDefiance -> RE: It's all in the Hrist. (2/22/2011 11:57:21 AM)
When I was being taught how to use a singletail whip, I used a roll of toilet paper and was told when I could break off a single piece of toilet paper at a time, I had sufficiently mastered the whip to use it on another person. Toilet paper is much more delicate than flesh and it showed very quickly any screw up. I should point out here that I never sufficiently mastered the whip - but the fact that I hated the whip could be a very big factor.

HisEvelyn -> RE: It's all in the Hrist. (2/22/2011 3:39:12 PM)
I am definitely going to bring Master's attention to this thread. He eventually wants to move up to whipping and get back in practice with it, and now that we live together, 'eventually' is a lot more realistic, lol! These are wonderful suggestions for practice. To answer the original question, right now Master primarily uses a crop or coiled rope on me when he beats me. I personally enjoy the crop the most, I love the sting of the small paddle at the end and the sound of the length of it whistling in the air just before the impact. We're still exploring different things to use, though. Master has a lot of experience with many different flogging toys, but my own experience is just beginning. So as money allows us to expand the toybox, we're adding to the collection.

ResidentSadist -> RE: It's all in the Hrist. (2/23/2011 3:02:07 AM)
My brand of poison is a variety of 18 inch floggers & cats for up close bedroom encounters that involved sex and whipping simultaneously. I like 5ft target bullwhips and longer cats for stand up encounters like crosses... crack and wraps. I am not too fond of snake whips, stock whips or signal whips. Technique you say? When using an inanimate target to practice, hanging using tissue on it (like the kind for packing presents) is a good way to see how you are doing. As you get better, you can user thicker papers like tracing paper and writing paper to practice your cutting strokes. There are many whip cracking clubs and groups where you learn stuff like this. It’s great place to learn new techniques. The one near my old house used to meet in the park. I suggest you look at the links provided by these notable Whip Makers web sites.

IronBear -> RE: It's all in the Hrist. (2/23/2011 5:46:30 AM)
Never tried it in the BDSM context but I rather like an 8' bull whip (Double braided) in somewhat close quarters. (Just need the room to swing it an connect with the target/victim).

salemartist -> RE: It's all in the Hrist. (2/23/2011 6:10:39 AM)
I too am a bit green with a single tail, the longer the whip seems to be tougher to gauge the contact point, I have practived just with a red X on my garage door, just trying to get aim down and distance. I like meat on my pizza, sausage, pepperoni, ham, bacon, mmmm

LillyBoPeep -> RE: It's all in the Hrist. (2/23/2011 8:08:02 AM)
i dont have any technique because i'm really not that interested in using impact toys, but i have say -- kudos to you for going after something you're interested in and taking the steps to get the instruction you need. many people don't do that, especially younger people. that garlic pesto pizza sounds interesting...

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