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mnottertail -> Journal of Realpolitik (2/24/2011 10:48:35 AM)

YOU.JUST.CANT.MAKE.THIS.SHIT.UP.

It is no wonder to relate that no American expected our conservative right to embark on a vigorous social agenda.
Looking over the last month and a half of the political landscape I would like to offer some observations in the spirit of bipartisan cooperation.

Much as you think you do, we are not actually going to let you run this country, you got no people skills and you're too stupid, you talk into microphones.

Hoover----Please.
Nixon, even with a twenty minute gap (who the fuck were this guys lawyers, for fucks sake?)
Quayle ----- DOH!
Bush I 'Read My Lips'
Boener 'Read My Lips'
Bush II  (not going to do anything more there the name is enough)
Palin
Bachmann
Rush (cute to listen to, but you guys listened to him and are finding the actual doing missed some steps, well, we warned you it was sweet nothins.)

Now you got an Indiana Attorney General and a Wisconsin Governor running their ignorant mouths into electronic gear. Do you know everyone can see and hear it? 

Email, write, telephone, tell these fuckin guys to SHUT THE FUCK UP, you're gonna get us caught, you're gonna get us ALL caught!

You have horrid deficits in state governments and at the federal leve.

Your response, is to punch some babies in swaddling cloths dead in the gonads and take their milk money.......that ain't gonna get you any girls. Meanwhile add to defense, and we are asking, defense of what?

You got near civil war in three or four states because of the inept management.


Do you guys want a mulligan?  Cuz, again; mirable dictu; but from most of our collective viewpoints--- jesus, only been a month and a half and look what you got done...and we do not hold out much hope that even with a mulligan you are gonna quit drowning.

We understand that you want to replace governance with corporate robber barons and where no malum in se is malum prohibitum, but these guys while they may line your political pockets are not in any wise benevolent or altruistic.

You are living in the unintended consequences of your failed and failing policies.  




mnottertail -> RE: Journal of Realpolitik (2/24/2011 2:30:04 PM)

LOL, yeah, I didn't think you were up for it.




rulemylife -> RE: Journal of Realpolitik (2/24/2011 2:47:51 PM)

Did you really expect different?







TheHeretic -> RE: Journal of Realpolitik (2/24/2011 6:16:20 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: mnottertail

LOL, yeah, I didn't think you were up for it.



We have jobs, Ron.

Jimmy Carter trumps.

That was easy. Miller time.




Marini -> RE: Journal of Realpolitik (2/25/2011 4:00:18 AM)

Great post




mnottertail -> RE: Journal of Realpolitik (2/25/2011 6:46:24 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: TheHeretic

quote:

ORIGINAL: mnottertail

LOL, yeah, I didn't think you were up for it.



We have jobs, Ron.

Jimmy Carter trumps.

That was easy. Miller time.


Very nice thoughtlessly incorrect and banal phone in.




mnottertail -> RE: Journal of Realpolitik (2/25/2011 11:10:32 AM)

House Majority Leader Eric Cantor (R-VA) says his party wants to send the Senate not one but two pieces of legislation to consider in an effort to keep the government operating.
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"A government shutdown is not an acceptable action," said Cantor. "We hope the Senate will finally join us and not play chicken with a government shutdown."


Freshman Rep. Steve Womack (R-AR) suggested that the GOP was offering a take it or leave it deal.
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"We need to stand our ground and stay the course," Womack said.
That prompted a key Senate Democrat to accuse the GOP of tinkering with a government shutdown.

Your nattering nabobs of negatism are still talking into microphones.

(and this from Fox News no less)

You need to develop a sense of urgency in dealing with your imbiciles.




rulemylife -> RE: Journal of Realpolitik (2/25/2011 11:17:44 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: mnottertail

quote:

ORIGINAL: TheHeretic

quote:

ORIGINAL: mnottertail

LOL, yeah, I didn't think you were up for it.



We have jobs, Ron.

Jimmy Carter trumps.

That was easy. Miller time.


Very nice thoughtlessly incorrect and banal phone in.


Did you really expect different?




mnottertail -> RE: Journal of Realpolitik (2/28/2011 9:29:54 AM)

ISSUE 1:

quote:


This conjunction of an immense military establishment and a large arms industry is new in the American experience. The total influence -- economic, political, even spiritual -- is felt in every city, every State house, every office of the Federal government. We recognize the imperative need for this development. Yet we must not fail to comprehend its grave implications. Our toil, resources and livelihood are all involved; so is the very structure of our society.

In the councils of government, we must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the militaryindustrial complex. The potential for the disastrous rise of misplaced power exists and will persist.

We must never let the weight of this combination endanger our liberties or democratic processes. We should take nothing for granted. Only an alert and knowledgeable citizenry can compel the proper meshing of the huge industrial and military machinery of defense with our peaceful methods and goals, so that security and liberty may prosper together.
Akin to, and largely responsible for the sweeping changes in our industrial-military posture, has been the technological revolution during recent decades.

In this revolution, research has become central; it also becomes more formalized, complex, and costly. A steadily increasing share is conducted for, by, or at the direction of, the Federal government.

Today, the solitary inventor, tinkering in his shop, has been overshadowed by task forces of scientists in laboratories and testing fields. In the same fashion, the free university, historically the fountainhead of free ideas and scientific discovery, has experienced a revolution in the conduct of research. Partly because of the huge costs involved, a government contract becomes virtually a substitute for intellectual curiosity. For every old blackboard there are now hundreds of new electronic computers.

The prospect of domination of the nation's scholars by Federal employment, project allocations, and the power of money is ever present
  • and is gravely to be regarded.




Yet, in holding scientific research and discovery in respect, as we should, we must also be alert to the equal and opposite danger that public policy could itself become the captive of a scientifictechnological elite.

It is the task of statesmanship to mold, to balance, and to integrate these and other forces, new and old, within the principles of our democratic system -- ever aiming toward the supreme goals of our free society.

Another factor in maintaining balance involves the element of time. As we peer into society's future, we -- you and I, and our government -- must avoid the impulse to live only for today, plundering, for our own ease and convenience, the precious resources of tomorrow. We cannot mortgage the material assets of our grandchildren without risking the loss also of their political and spiritual heritage. We want democracy to survive for all generations to come, not to become the insolvent phantom of tomorrow.



Isn't this the platform of the republicans, to see the military and industry as our government?

Does warning against this, and fighting it tooth and nail make us (including the man who gave this speech), socialists?

I ask you;   Pat Buchanan.

p.s. (I want to see anyone older than 40 (or even 12) throw this fuckin guy under the bus).


IMPORTANT EDIT unable to edit the prior post!!!!
please ignore the editing error in the first post of this: i.e:

Isn't this the platform of the republicans, to see the military and industry as our government?

that line was not meant to be in the quote of the speech, but the first line of my question.

I beg your pardon one and all.




Musicmystery -> RE: Journal of Realpolitik (2/28/2011 12:20:44 PM)

quote:

Jimmy Carter trumps.


No, Reagan does. We wouldn't be in the energy mess we are now, as all the Carter programs addressing it were immediately canceled--the same type of solutions we're starting to talk about now, over 30 years later.

Imagine the progress we could have been enjoying today--including the financial savings and the new industries.




mnottertail -> RE: Journal of Realpolitik (3/1/2011 7:06:00 AM)

<sotto voce>
Perhaps the question of the current republican vision of an unfettered and invincible military-industrial complex governing this nation in lieu of democratic representation and whether or not Dwight David Eisenhower therefore devolves to a socialist for decrying this state of affairs is actually a rhetorical one.
</sotto voce>

ISSUE 2:

quote:

Original: Abraham Lincoln

. . . government of the people, by the people, for the people, shall not perish from the earth. . .


Is the interpretation of the passage 'by the people' construed to mean via the equivalence principle 'by the corporations'? And did someone forget to add to Abe's teleprompter 'of Iraq but not America'  after the clause 'for the people'?

I ask you, Robert Novak.





mnottertail -> RE: Journal of Realpolitik (3/2/2011 8:53:21 AM)

ISSUE 3:

Who's minding the store?

We can lay up an iron curtain of  steel, copper, lead as large as need be to insure the surcease of inhalation and leading to certain expiration of any living thing within any radius we chose, and yet we haven't the wherewithall to put more than 150K boots on the ground, acccording to Dr. Robert Gates; Secretary of  Defense
(bio) http://www.defense.gov/bios/biographydetail.aspx?biographyid=115
(address) http://www.cnn.com/2011/US/02/25/gates.west.point/index.html?hpt=T2

With a budget in excess of 600 Billion, and at a BILLION DOLLARS per pair of boots on the ground:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_budget_of_the_United_States

Where does the socialist Chinese government find enough money to garrison some 2.25 million troops, not having any current external invasions and wars?
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20060612122006AADFnfJ

Are we the holders of a bloated, unworkable military-industrial complex structure that has been made inefficient by large corporations bending the peoples will to their own capitalistic non patriotic ends, seeking to slop at the trough?

I ask you; George Will.






Musicmystery -> RE: Journal of Realpolitik (3/2/2011 9:07:37 AM)

quote:


Are we the holders of a bloated, unworkable military-industrial complex structure that has been made inefficient by large corporations bending the peoples will to their own capitalistic non patriotic ends, seeking to slop at the trough?


Yes.

We should at least be able to agree that spending money on things the Pentagon doesn't even want isn't necessary.




mnottertail -> RE: Journal of Realpolitik (3/11/2011 10:33:41 AM)

ISSUE 4:

Right wingers throw the socialist DDE under the bus, but only will do so in the dark of night. (see post 9).

Why aren't the reasoned right taking the reponsiblity for their actions?  What are they hiding? Why won't they debate the issue instead of attacking the messenger?


I ask you DAVID GERGIN!

Exit question:

Are the republican lackeys quisling the United States of America, and trading any government for the government of BIG BUSINESS?

I ask you MORTON KONDRAKE!




Charles6682 -> RE: Journal of Realpolitik (3/11/2011 11:23:39 AM)

The Republicans are moving so far to the right,that come 2012,Americans will reject them and easily re-elect Barack Obama for a second term.




jack8007 -> RE: Journal of Realpolitik (3/11/2011 11:27:17 AM)

quote:

Why aren't the reasoned right taking the reponsiblity for their actions?


Who exactly do you have in mind? 

Looks pretty clear to me that the GOP is running a mob.    At least Jerry Brown can keep a sense of humor about it, offering his dog to debate Grover Norquist.




jack8007 -> RE: Journal of Realpolitik (3/11/2011 11:45:57 AM)

quote:

Republicans are moving so far to the right,that come 2012,Americans will reject them


You would think so, but of course we all see things from our own perspective.   The various GOP constituencies, including Faux News, are selling all sorts of terror to camouflage the fact that their own rapacity and ignorance is doing the most damage.

And people buy that shit wholesale.   For example, it wasn't the Lehman Bros' buddies who fucked the economy, it wasn't the Republican borrow & spend policies, it was the Mexicans.   Pat Robertson has told us that God caused 9/11 because we don't hate lezzies enough, and his boys are the GOP's leading vote machines.

I think it has to be attached to a specific economic situation.   If the GOP can trash the economy by shutting down government, they may well benefit if a "throw the bums out" mindset reverses most offices.

The one thing that is more likely to screw the GOP is if they cannot control the Teabaggers.   The GOP leadership understands where their bread is buttered, and the value of money or social position depends on the existence of a functioning society, while the Rand Paul Teabaggers & libertarians don't understand that, and have shown their willingness to burn the whole house down, cut their noses off to spite their face, from their ignorance.   They may well create a longer, more serious downturn complete with violence and breakdown of basic social services.

I would have to bet that significant numbers of Teabag reps get with Boehner's program (lobbyist checks on the House floor if you stay in line) but that individual Teabag voters will remain pissed off because things won't get any better.   Whether they can create a battlefield in 2012 that they can control, whether they can control their own troops, is something I wouldn't bet on.  




mnottertail -> RE: Journal of Realpolitik (6/12/2011 8:27:34 AM)

ISSUE 5:  YOU DONT HAVE TO BE GOOD, JUST LOOK GOOD.

A proposal was forwarded by republicans to dismantle medicare and medicade.
Same thing essentially happened when Nixons government took the USPS off book where it remains today.

Is this an accounting trick that will allow the republicans to say that they met their fiscal responsibilities as they did in taking the brunt of the Iraq war off book with George W Bush and then blaming the massive debt and deficit on democrats?

Or like Ronald Reagans old saw, deficits do not matter.

I ASK YOU,  RON PAUL!

   





juliaoceania -> RE: Journal of Realpolitik (6/12/2011 8:34:02 AM)

quote:

Hoover----Please.
Nixon, even with a twenty minute gap (who the fuck were this guys lawyers, for fucks sake?)
Quayle ----- DOH!
Bush I 'Read My Lips'
Boener 'Read My Lips'
Bush IIĀ  (not going to do anything more there the name is enough)
Palin
Bachmann
Rush


Some paranoid fucks you forgot...

G Gordon Liddy
Oliver North
Joe McCarthy




mnottertail -> RE: Journal of Realpolitik (6/12/2011 12:46:34 PM)

so about January 3, 2009 until January 3, 2011 sits the 111th congress. Massive changes November 2nd, 2010.  The people have spoken.  What are they saying?

http://www.govtrack.us/blog/2010/01/03/kill-bill-bills-not-enacted-after-passage-by-congress/

What a track record.
http://www.americanprogressaction.org/issues/2011/05/pdf/oil_above_all.pdf
http://www.newsmax.com/US/congress-omnibus-bills-spending/2011/01/03/id/381702
http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2011/05/19/6674315-congress-gop-oil-bill-fails
http://www.heritage.org/issues/national-security-and-defense/budget-and-defense-spending/defense-authorization-and-appropriation-bills


What is their mandate?  To straighten out the books and find jobs, or to insure homosexual couples are not availed of healthcare.

I ask you, Mitt Romney?


Followup Question

Currently the republican house presides over a historical record debt. 
current congress 112th.

...................................House......................Senate
Republicans                    240                            47                               
Democrats                      193                            51
Independents                                                      2          
Vacancies                           2

With a heavy majority in the house, and a self-defined MANDATE, what are the numbers in the 2012 elections going to be?

I ASK YOU PROGNOSTICATOR EXTRORDINAIRE: 

RASSMUSSEN POLLS




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