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ORIGINAL: FirmhandKY

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

Prove conservatives are more patriotic than liberals. I dare you to even attempt it.

Of course, no one can "prove" anything about how a majority of people are patriotic or non-patriotic, because the terms themselves are open to a whole bunch of interpretations.

Personally, I think that "both" sides are patriotic, in their own way, although I do think that some of the more leftward leaning people, who specifically champion internationalism a la the UN or who believe that national sovereignty should become an extinct concept can rightly be said to be "less patriotic" due to root causes.

However, in this particular discussion, I think one way to determine "which side is more patriotic" might be:

1. One indication of "patriotism" is the willingness to serve in your country's armed forces.

2.  The members of the US Armed Forces vote and lean vastly to the conservative side of the house,

3.  This is an indication than "conservatives" tend to be more "patriotic" than "non-conservatives".

Lots of ways to attack this, of course, but it's an valid syllogism, as far as it goes.

Firm

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ORIGINAL: rulemylife

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ORIGINAL: luckydawg

Is it more patriotic to consider onesself a "Citizen of the World" or a Citizen of the USA (or insert your home country here)?


Now, I think Obama has proven himself to very patriotic (and frankley as of now I will be voting for him, as I have said many times I am a national Security republican, and Obama is doing fine by me on those counts).

However in that speech, he was playing to a segement of the American left that is not patriotic.

That thinks Nationalism is bad.

Basically the same set as people who thought Farenheight 911 was a great movie.

Which is a minority of Democrats.


Democrats as a whole are very Patriotic.

Which basically says that any criticism of the country is unpatriotic.

Didn't we get into some trouble with that theory several times?

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ORIGINAL: Sanity


Yeah, some things never change, like this. I tried to keep it clean but you and lucy have to try to make it about me.

Exactly right. Some things, and some people.

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ORIGINAL: OrionTheWolf

~FR~

Some things never change, eh?

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ORIGINAL: luckydawg

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ORIGINAL: rulemylife

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ORIGINAL: luckydawg

Is it more patriotic to consider onesself a "Citizen of the World" or a Citizen of the USA (or insert your home country here)?


Now, I think Obama has proven himself to very patriotic (and frankley as of now I will be voting for him, as I have said many times I am a national Security republican, and Obama is doing fine by me on those counts).

However in that speech, he was playing to a segement of the American left that is not patriotic.

That thinks Nationalism is bad.

Basically the same set as people who thought Farenheight 911 was a great movie.

Which is a minority of Democrats.


Democrats as a whole are very Patriotic.

Which basically says that any criticism of the country is unpatriotic.

Didn't we get into some trouble with that theory several times?

No it basically doesn't. It specifically says what it says.


It really is tiresome, your game of changing what is said to argue.

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ORIGINAL: RacerJim

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ORIGINAL: DomKen

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ORIGINAL: Sanity




What Happened To Democrats.

I'm so uterly fucking sick and tired of idiotic conservatives attacking the patriotism of those on the left.

Get this through your thick heads, we are just as patriotic as you are, we just happen to disagree with you on some things.

And I've had it with chickenshit liberals calling themselves as patriotic as conservatives.

Know this, we conservatives have more patriotism in our little pinky that you liberals have in your entire body.

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ORIGINAL: FirmhandKY

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl
Prove conservatives are more patriotic than liberals. I dare you to even attempt it.

Of course, no one can "prove" anything about how a majority of people are patriotic or non-patriotic, because the terms themselves are open to a whole bunch of interpretations.

Personally, I think that "both" sides are patriotic, in their own way, although I do think that some of the more leftward leaning people, who specifically champion internationalism a la the UN or who believe that national sovereignty should become an extinct concept can rightly be said to be "less patriotic" due to root causes.

However, in this particular discussion, I think one way to determine "which side is more patriotic" might be:

1. One indication of "patriotism" is the willingness to serve in your country's armed forces.

2.  The members of the US Armed Forces vote and lean vastly to the conservative side of the house,

3.  This is an indication than "conservatives" tend to be more "patriotic" than "non-conservatives".

Lots of ways to attack this, of course, but it's an valid syllogism, as far as it goes.

Firm

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In Dr. Johnson's famous dictionary patriotism is defined as the last resort of a scoundrel. With all due respect to an enlightened but inferior lexicographer I beg to submit that it is the first.

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What Happened To Republicans?

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moderates in this country who are to blame for most of this mess. You change tack far too frequently.

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ORIGINAL: Moonhead

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In Dr. Johnson's famous dictionary patriotism is defined as the last resort of a scoundrel. With all due respect to an enlightened but inferior lexicographer I beg to submit that it is the first.

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ORIGINAL: rulemylife

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ORIGINAL: luckydawg

Is it more patriotic to consider onesself a "Citizen of the World" or a Citizen of the USA (or insert your home country here)?


Now, I think Obama has proven himself to very patriotic (and frankley as of now I will be voting for him, as I have said many times I am a national Security republican, and Obama is doing fine by me on those counts).

However in that speech, he was playing to a segement of the American left that is not patriotic.

That thinks Nationalism is bad.

Basically the same set as people who thought Farenheight 911 was a great movie.

Which is a minority of Democrats.


Democrats as a whole are very Patriotic.

Which basically says that any criticism of the country is unpatriotic.

Didn't we get into some trouble with that theory several times?

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ORIGINAL: Sanity


Someone who has half a functioning brain...

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ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam

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ORIGINAL: rulemylife

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ORIGINAL: luckydawg

Is it more patriotic to consider onesself a "Citizen of the World" or a Citizen of the USA (or insert your home country here)?


Now, I think Obama has proven himself to very patriotic (and frankley as of now I will be voting for him, as I have said many times I am a national Security republican, and Obama is doing fine by me on those counts).

However in that speech, he was playing to a segement of the American left that is not patriotic.

That thinks Nationalism is bad.

Basically the same set as people who thought Farenheight 911 was a great movie.

Which is a minority of Democrats.


Democrats as a whole are very Patriotic.

Which basically says that any criticism of the country is unpatriotic.

Didn't we get into some trouble with that theory several times?

Wouldn't that mean that those who criticised Clinton were unpatriotic?

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ORIGINAL: luckydawg

there is a massive segment of the American Left that suppoed Ortega and the Sandinistas, who now support gadaffi......