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RE: "A professional" - 2/26/2011 8:35:31 PM

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I see a lot of profiles that have horrible misspellings and wretched grammar. Occasionally, one of them states that the writer is "a professional".

Anyone have any insight? Is this a small business owner who doesn't need written communication skills to get by? Or simply a liar?

Depends on what their profession is.

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RE: "A professional" - 3/1/2011 6:53:38 AM

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I'm a professional. I have multiple degrees. I also can't spell, and really, when it comes to grammar, I am pretty much auto didactic, so I use language in some strange ways sometimes.

Buuuuuuuut, I have my close personal friends spell check and edit, which allow me to come off as slightly literate instead of the swamp thing that I am.

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RE: "A professional" - 3/1/2011 7:14:01 AM

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Are these professionals also very 'dominate'?

I've just come across a 'domanite woman' .. which could be a domme with a short fuse I guess.

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RE: "A professional" - 3/1/2011 7:30:13 AM

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Funny you mention this (today).

Just the day before yesterday I had a mail from a woman, 37, I think. That is rare in itself but it was just weirddddddddd.

Firstly, she told me something about "I deserve to be 3rd" (what hat she pulled that from is beyond me). Then she told me "I need to learn how to write english (yes, without a capital E).

I'd usually ignore such but took a gander at her profile. She had at least 12-17 spelling and grammatical mistakes. Like wtf.

Yeah, I know, immature but I told her off. Can't believe I fell for someone yankin' my chain like that but c'mon, seriously. She typed at a 6th grade level (or lesser). sigh.

But, yeah, she claimed she went to college. Uhh huh. Sure ya did hunny. Impossible--if not, she should get a refund.

In my years of office work, quite a few of them involved typing letter, orders, etc.........that were hand written by people with college educations. This experience is where I gained a great deal of disdain for college educations.

They came to me, a person that did not even legitimately finish high school to correct their errors.

The person that came to me most frequently, now owns the company I worked for.

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RE: "A professional" - 3/1/2011 7:46:55 AM

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I think in general, standards have slipped in many areas. I hate saying things like that though because I sound so old. As some posters here have already pointed out, one problem is that many people aren't being taught the basics the way they should be. Therefore they do not have the tools to carry with them throughout life as a result. I also think things have slipped in many areas because in general, there are so many ways where the casual attitude rules now more than it used to.

There should be a special place in hell for teachers that assign group projects...after doing a couple recent ones I was shocked at the level that my classmates were willing to accept as being presentable. It wasn't the same as mine, and I'll be damned if they were going to drag my grade down to their level. One girl pointed out that I completely rewrote her portion of the paper and I said yes, if you had done it in a presentable manner, I might have accepted being graded on it; as it was, I wasn't willing to risk being pulled down myself because of either you not caring that your portion was crap, or that you didn't know the difference. The paper we wrote was for a medical class on a medical topic so it wasn't an 'English' paper but to my mind a college level research paper should have a certain quality. She actually started it by writing "I think Frederick was having trouble because....", and then the rest. Really? That's acceptable to you - classmate of mine? The paper was for you to decipher what was wrong with Frederick and sell anyone who reads the damn paper on your explanation. Plus....your introductory sentence for a college paper is in the first person? What the heck! Needless to say there weren't any supporting paragraphs, no thesis statement, and certainly no conclusion. I just took English 101 at this school 2 semesters ago because my ancient transfer credit did not transfer, I do happen to know they teach you there how to write a research paper. Let me just say that 4 out of the 6 portions for this project were not assembled by me into the final version without me rewriting them, and one of those final 2 acceptable portions was my part of the writing. The other acceptable portion was written by a young woman who is the former editor of a local newspaper.

Here on the boards where we are writing quickly and casually it is acceptable to have the level of writing reflect the purpose it is being used for. In a college paper of course it should look and sound like a college paper. In a profile I would imagine that you'd want to put your best foot forward and sound like an intelligent human being. Maybe that's the problem, it seems that many here feel entitled and just want to have a person be handed over to them, they aren't seeing the need to spruce themselves up and be measured by what they write. They think putting their hand up and saying 'over here' is enough to get what they want. The attitudes of laziness and entitlement might be it more than anything- many people just seem like they can't be arsed to put forth 3 seconds more of effort, and if they do and it's not immediately rewarded, they become bitter and angry.

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RE: "A professional" - 3/1/2011 8:03:19 AM

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To me, a poorly written profile would get passed over long before I even make it to their self
proclaimed professional status. I would be more attracted to a garbage collector that took enough
time and had enough pride in presenting himself in the best way possible.

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RE: "A professional" - 3/1/2011 8:04:22 AM

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To me, a poorly written profile would get passed over long before I even make it to their self
proclaimed professional status. I would be more attracted to a garbage collector that took enough
time and had enough pride in presenting himself in the best way possible.

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RE: "A professional" - 3/1/2011 8:22:34 AM

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My own personal ijnterpretation of the word 'professional' is an adjective coming out of the verb 'to profess' so therefore to me a professional is someone who has specialist knowledge or a specialist skill in some area.

But this I know isn't a popular definition. I've seen people use the word 'professional' as a synonym for 'employed' or even 'occupied'.

Graduates are also claiming to be professional. Erm no, they have the theoretical knowledge, methods, training, but no experience.

I don't use spellcheck or the grammar thingy on a word processor as it tends to go nuts with my writing. Green lines everywhere. Not that it bothers me, because I write creatively, and I'm told it communicates and that to me is the most important.

Language is individual, and the English language norms vary depending on where it is native and where it is a lingua franca. While I'm notoriously oblivious to grammar (I know all about grammar, I just pick and choose the rules I follow, pretty much as I do in life) I tend to heavily favour usage over grammar simply because I want everything I write to communicate something.

I do the same in my business correspondence. Rather than be correct in form I'd much rather have something which stands out, communicates, and leaves an impression.

Edited to add: And I am a professional. (See? sentence fragment).

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RE: "A professional" - 3/3/2011 12:27:29 AM

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Definition of PROFESSIONAL

1a : of, relating to, or characteristic of a profession b : engaged in one of the learned professions c (1) : characterized by or conforming to the technical or ethical standards of a profession (2) : exhibiting a courteous, conscientious, and generally businesslike manner in the workplace
2a : participating for gain or livelihood in an activity or field of endeavor often engaged in by amateurs <a professional golfer> b : having a particular profession as a permanent career <a professional soldier> c : engaged in by persons receiving financial return <professional football>
3: following a line of conduct as though it were a profession <a professional patriot> — pro·fes·sion·al·ly adverb

For the literally challenged that means you get paid, and of course you act like it. with a half a brain you know you must or the money stops. And that is from Webster's, not wiki. T^T

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RE: "A professional" - 3/3/2011 6:00:32 AM

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Perhaps all their business paper work is done by an assistant or suc..um...secretary?

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RE: "A professional" - 3/3/2011 2:45:57 PM

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There should be a special place in hell for teachers that assign group projects...after doing a couple recent ones I was shocked at the level that my classmates were willing to accept as being presentable. It wasn't the same as mine, and I'll be damned if they were going to drag my grade down to their level. One girl pointed out that I completely rewrote her portion of the paper and I said yes, if you had done it in a presentable manner, I might have accepted being graded on it; as it was, I wasn't willing to risk being pulled down myself because of either you not caring that your portion was crap, or that you didn't know the difference.

Hi lizi -
In my department, we are required to have students give a group presentation. I grade it like this: 10% group grade, 90% individual grade. Each student has their own portion which they have to research and present. If one student does all the work on their portion (and it's always obvious), that student gets a great grade, the rest, no. Having been like you, I make sure that students earn the grade they deserve, and they also get the group experience as dictated by my department.

I can't tell you how many times group grades have run the gamut from 95% to 35%. I hope I've earned air conditioning in my special place in hell. *wink*

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RE: "A professional" - 3/4/2011 8:02:18 AM

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Hi lizi -
In my department, we are required to have students give a group presentation. I grade it like this: 10% group grade, 90% individual grade. Each student has their own portion which they have to research and present. If one student does all the work on their portion (and it's always obvious), that student gets a great grade, the rest, no. Having been like you, I make sure that students earn the grade they deserve, and they also get the group experience as dictated by my department.

I can't tell you how many times group grades have run the gamut from 95% to 35%. I hope I've earned air conditioning in my special place in hell. *wink*

I'm so buying you the air conditioning! I truly wish someone else in the educational world would wake up and make the group project thing more bearable and fair. The way you've approached this is beautiful in my way of thinking. Alas, you must know yourself that this is not the way it generally goes. In fact, we got another one to do this last Wed. That'll be 3 group projects from one teacher in just this one semester- the semester isn't over yet! I know what I'll be doing all weekend

This particular teacher is brilliant as far as knowledge goes and as far as understanding how to run things in her classroom...not so great. I understand not wanting to grade 30 projects as opposed to 5. The other thing is that the group thing is supposed to do is prepare us for the work world where people have to learn to get along....my response to that is that the incompetent ones would probably not get a job in the first place and if they did they wouldn't last long with the attitude of meh...good enough.

In a way this subject is definitely on topic to what DS brought up....how people sell themselves as being something when they don't live up to the meaning of the word. I've had so many teachers who maximize the experience for their students so that the students leave with a body of knowledge. I've had many on the opposite side who call themselves a teacher but what they do or how they present themselves isn't quite what I would consider to be the true meaning of the word teacher. Just like most things in life I suppose. In the end we're responsible for ourselves. If I have to take a class with someone who doesn't teach well I need to learn to suck it up and deal...and I will. As for the 'professionals', I guess those reading their profiles need to filter them out as being unsuited to what they're looking for. Or not. YMMV.

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RE: "A professional" - 3/5/2011 6:06:49 AM

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If I'd ever thought aobut showing up for class with a calculator, I'd be in hot water big time. That was cheating as far as the teachers were concerned.

Funnily they had even written in our research exam that calculators aren't allowed...not that we would have had any use for one within that sort of exam but they still considered it as important to point out...that it is forbidden to use

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RE: "A professional" - 3/5/2011 6:17:51 AM

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There should be a special place in hell for teachers that assign group projects...after doing a couple recent ones I was shocked at the level that my classmates were willing to accept as being presentable. It wasn't the same as mine, and I'll be damned if they were going to drag my grade down to their level. One girl pointed out that I completely rewrote her portion of the paper and I said yes, if you had done it in a presentable manner, I might have accepted being graded on it; as it was, I wasn't willing to risk being pulled down myself because of either you not caring that your portion was crap, or that you didn't know the difference.

Hi lizi -
In my department, we are required to have students give a group presentation. I grade it like this: 10% group grade, 90% individual grade. Each student has their own portion which they have to research and present. If one student does all the work on their portion (and it's always obvious), that student gets a great grade, the rest, no. Having been like you, I make sure that students earn the grade they deserve, and they also get the group experience as dictated by my department.

I can't tell you how many times group grades have run the gamut from 95% to 35%. I hope I've earned air conditioning in my special place in hell. *wink*

Don't even get me started about group presentations

I had some "great" groups where I helped a heck of a lot to organise our presentation topic and got my part well prepared, just to have one bitch changing the subject completely 3 weeks before handing it in and the others not speaking up against her as it did not matter to them as they hadn't even started their papers by then, when mine was almost done and I had to start all over again

Some folks telling me afterwards that they hate it as well that the topic changed now, but quite frankly, then they should have opened their mouth at that meeting and not afterwards, as by then I quite frankly couldn't care less about their view anymore either

Or 2 students who ignored the fact during the first year that we were told that you had to take part in every presentation group meeting to prepare the actual presentation if you want to pass, then being surprised that we did not allow them to take part on our last preparation session for the presentation itself as they had never showed up except once or twice out of ten times...and to add insult to injury at least one of them got nevertheless through into the 2nd year, making us wonder how he convinced that tutor into that...anyhow, during the 2nd year he then left at some point....he was apparent to me as he had let our group down once already in the beginning of the year at our very first presentation which we had to do in front of 100 students, so I realised that again he couldn't care less and always pissed off after 2 hours normal lecture as he then wasn't bothered to stay on for the one hour presentation preparation class...

with the right bunch of people group presentations can be truly great...but sadly, often, they just don't work out that way