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RE: Birther News - 3/8/2011 9:41:00 AM   
jack8007


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are legally american citizens by birth due to the fact that I am an American citizen


Not by those facts alone.

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RE: Birther News - 3/8/2011 9:42:28 AM   
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Actually, RJ, I agree about McCain.

SCOTUS should weigh in and settle the question. For McCain, 0bama0, for the future...

McCain's eligibilty depends on what the "Status of Forces Agreement" in place at the time designated as "U.S. soil". Perhaps the Senate committee which investigated McCain's eligibility in 2008 had access to same, perhaps not, but the bottom-line is they issued a resolution declaring him eligible based upon his having been born to U.S. citizen parents(plural). A non-binding resolution for sure, but a resolution nonetheless, the bottom-line being that neither house of Congress did the same for Obama.

Congress and/or SCOTUS should indeed weigh in and settle the matter once and for all, for the present and the future

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RE: Birther News - 3/8/2011 9:45:53 AM   
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Status: offline 		The fact that nothing has come of it despite what is it three years without any  proof otherwise that his BC is real, means there is no legitimate question, the fact you cannot prove anything  otherwise is proof of rabid frothing and small minds.
That you are unable to find anything beyond NBC statement from 350 yrs ago that didnt make a huge impression on the founding fathers(obviously or they in their wisdom would have included it) is laughable.
and IM the mental midget? The founding fathers really fucked up by not decreeing that idiots should be drowned at birth



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RE: Birther News - 3/8/2011 9:46:21 AM   
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Demoncraps challenged McCain's eligibilty in 2000, and again in 2008 several months before anyone challeged Obama's eligibility.

Got a source for that? It's a bit hard to credit given that the incompetent fuckwits weren't even up to making an impeachment attempt on the chimp after monkeyboy invaded a sovereign nation under false pretences in defiance of the UN.

Google it.

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RE: Birther News - 3/8/2011 9:50:41 AM   
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The founding fathers really fucked up by not decreeing that idiots should be drowned at birth

You're Canadian by birth, I take it.

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RE: Birther News - 3/8/2011 9:52:34 AM   
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Demoncraps challenged McCain's eligibilty in 2000, and again in 2008 several months before anyone challeged Obama's eligibility.

Got a source for that? It's a bit hard to credit given that the incompetent fuckwits weren't even up to making an impeachment attempt on the chimp after monkeyboy invaded a sovereign nation under false pretences in defiance of the UN.

Google it.

If you're claiming there's evidence there, then the onus of proof is on you. You google it.
You've still yet to even name the Democrat in question, after all.

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RE: Birther News - 3/8/2011 9:52:47 AM   
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are legally american citizens by birth due to the fact that I am an American citizen


Not by those facts alone.


Cite the statute that says they wouldn't.

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RE: Birther News - 3/8/2011 9:54:37 AM   
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The founding fathers really fucked up by not decreeing that idiots should be drowned at birth

You're Canadian by birth, I take it.

Nope
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RE: Birther News - 3/8/2011 9:57:30 AM   
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Cite the statute that says they wouldn't.


8 USC 1401(g)

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RE: Birther News - 3/8/2011 10:00:33 AM   
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And the reason we have so many issues affecting the country in a negative manner is because we have a POTUS who has had an anti-Caucasion anti-Capitalism chip on his shoulder ever since his childhood.


I love how so many conservatives claim it has nothing to do with his race.

But hey, I give you credit for honesty.

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RE: Birther News - 3/8/2011 10:02:05 AM   
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RE: Birther News - 3/8/2011 10:05:13 AM   
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Cite the statute that says they wouldn't.


8 USC 1401(g)


(g) a person born outside the geographical limits of the United States and its outlying possessions of parents one of whom is an alien, and the other a citizen of the United States who, prior to the birth of such person, was physically present in the United States or its outlying possessions for a period or periods totaling not less than five years, at least two of which were after attaining the age of fourteen years: Provided, That any periods of honorable service in the Armed Forces of the United States, or periods of employment with the United States Government or with an international organization as that term is defined in section 288 of title 22 by such citizen parent, or any periods during which such citizen parent is physically present abroad as the dependent unmarried son or daughter and a member of the household of a person
(A) honorably serving with the Armed Forces of the United States, or
(B) employed by the United States Government or an international organization as defined in section 288 of title 22, may be included in order to satisfy the physical-presence requirement of this paragraph. This proviso shall be applicable to persons born on or after December 24, 1952, to the same extent as if it had become effective in its present form on that date; and


As I have lived here for 5 years, Any children I have no matter what the citizenship of the mother are citizens.

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RE: Birther News - 3/8/2011 10:06:04 AM   
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What if a State required proof prior to the 2008 election?


Did one?

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What if that State was Hawaii?

What if the Democratic Party of Hawaii provided proof in 2000 and 2004 but not in 2008?

What if the birth record made public by a candidate elected POTUS was never verified as authentic by any official of the issuing State?


Hawaii already verified it, according to its officials.

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What if the birth record made public by a candidate elected POTUS would not suffice as prima-facie documentation by the issuing State's Department of Home Lands?


Mine looks like his... and its readily accepted by the State of PA for everything from passports to bank accounts to travel.


The Democratic Party of Hawaii DID NOT certify that Obama was eligible to serve as POTUS as it had Gore in 2000 and Kerry in 2004.

Please post a quote from any Hawaiian official who has publically verified the authenticity of Obama's "Certification of Live Birth".

It doesn't matter what your's looks like, or that your's is readily accepted by the State of PA for whatever...what matters is that Obama's "Certification of Live Birth" does not look anything like the "Certificate of Live Birth" issued to each of the twin sisters born the day after in the same hospital Obama allegedly was.

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RE: Birther News - 3/8/2011 10:09:16 AM   
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As I have lived here for 5 years,


And that was not a fact that you specified.    Check the post - I said, "not on those facts alone".  

Do you think I was as sloppy as you, and didn't know what I was talking about?



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RE: Birther News - 3/8/2011 10:10:01 AM   
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Dan Rather, who carried on in Walter Cronkites tradition, was caught trying to fake some very personal papers that supposedly discussed George W. Bush's service records, the point being that  President Bush's service records (which have no legal bearing on a mans fitness to serve)  were thought of by leftists as fair game at the time, right?


If memory serves, John Kerry's service records were definitely seen as fair game for the Republicans (hence those videos on youtube of dickheads with purple heart plasters stuck all over their smug whitebread faces at the 2004 convention), so objecting to Dan Rather* having a go at the chimp's if that was acceptable is something of a double standard, really.

*(An entertainer rather than a serious political figure in any case: just like Rush Limbaugh...)

If memory serves me correctly, no one forged any documents to disparage John Kerry's service records.

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RE: Birther News - 3/8/2011 10:10:49 AM   
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Please post a quote from any Hawaiian official who has publically verified the authenticity of Obama's "Certification of Live Birth".



Oh for God's sake, how many times are we going to have to go through this?

The information has been posted numerous times, but as you like to tell everyone else because you are too lazy to back what you say, Google it.

But on second thought, I can't let that stupid a comment go unchallenged.

Obama's Birth Certificate Verified By State - Politics News Story ...

Hawaii: Obama birth certificate is real - USATODAY.com

FactCheck.org: Born in the U.S.A.

Hawaii Verifies Obama's Birth Certificate - GENUINE - Digg

snopes.com: Barack Obama Birth Certificate



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RE: Birther News - 3/8/2011 10:14:49 AM   
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Because, first of all, we really should start sometime, and continue as a matter of routine. Why not now?
Secondly, there are legitimate questions about 0bama0, and a need for the defintion of NBC. Now.




If the states want proof... fine.
I agree the SC needs to define what NBC is... they have deliberately chosen not too.
I do NOT agree with making the birth records public.


Why do you object to full disclosure? Think there is something to hide?

"The only people who don't want to disclose the truth are people with something to hide." - Barack Hussein Obama Soebarkah AKA Barry Soetoro - August 21, 2010


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RE: Birther News - 3/8/2011 10:17:27 AM   
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RE: Birther News - 3/8/2011 10:18:25 AM   
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If memory serves me correctly, no one forged any documents to disparage John Kerry's service records.

Nor did he produce them.

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RE: Birther News - 3/8/2011 10:23:38 AM   
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Various people have said that 0bama0 has a Birth Certificate on file in Hawaii. No one has produced it. Yje current Gov of Hawaii- a Dim- has said he can't find it.

No Hawaii official has verified the Certificate of Live Birth posted online.
Wrap your head around one simple fact, rml:

Hawaii produces two separate and distinct documents, each with different prerequisites: a Certificate of Live Birth, and a Birth Certificate.

Then you won't sound so ill-informed.

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