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jack8007 -> RE: Maricopa County AZ 40% drop in Illegal Aliens (3/10/2011 6:27:39 AM)

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CPL (Concealed Pistol License) and then quit along the way


Does a CPL determine your legal status?




jack8007 -> RE: Maricopa County AZ 40% drop in Illegal Aliens (3/10/2011 6:29:59 AM)

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a person who snuck accross the border. In other words, a criminal.


And you are a criminal every time you drive 56 mph. 

Of course, it's not much of a crime, is it?  But it is far more likely to hurt somebody than failing to check in at the POE, isn't it?

It all comes down to 1 thing - we've been thru this many times before, and you aren't willing to pay for enforcement.   Hell, you're not even willing to familiarize yourself with the issues.   You just want to piss & moan about how the messicans are screwing the country.

If they actually left, then you'd have to deal with the problems, which are your own making.





truckinslave -> RE: Maricopa County AZ 40% drop in Illegal Aliens (3/10/2011 6:35:59 AM)

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devoted to the ways the Founding Fathers lived, without flush toilets.

But at least they had cholera and serious infant mortality!   These are the real measures of culture.


Good to see that you have the same contempt for the Founding Fathers as you earlier showed for "shooters" (you know, like the men you used to command).




KenDckey -> RE: Maricopa County AZ 40% drop in Illegal Aliens (3/10/2011 6:46:22 AM)

Pilot.  the back door dealer (you know like the guy next door, the ability to walk out the back door to deliver it to you, is it illegal to sell out the back door, gun show, etc) if s/he sells it legally, I could care where you got it.   That isn't important.  Was it a legal sale?   if so, no problem   if not, maybe.   Depends on lots of factors.   But back door doesn't make it illegal.




jack8007 -> RE: Maricopa County AZ 40% drop in Illegal Aliens (3/10/2011 8:38:48 AM)

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Good to see
  you haven't drawn your full issue of brains.

But you still have the basic GOP plan down pretty good - since you don't have answers, just imagine some outrageous lie as a total distraction, and repeat it over and over until you believe it.    Act contemptible, and then complain when people say you're contemptible.






popeye1250 -> RE: Maricopa County AZ 40% drop in Illegal Aliens (3/10/2011 12:47:15 PM)


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ORIGINAL: PilotPTK


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ORIGINAL: Brain

In my opinion you get more flies with honey so I don't think it's the crackdown.  It's hard to say if you're not familiar with the place but according to the article it's the following:

"Explanations for the decline in immigrants in Maricopa County jails generally break along political lines.

Immigration-enforcement advocates credit Arizona's track record of controversial legislation, including Senate Bill 1070, and vocal lawmen like Maricopa County Sheriff Joe Arpaio for creating an atmosphere that discourages illegal immigrants from staying in Maricopa County.

It seems like a local government's policies and its positions can cause a real drop in the illegal-immigration population," said Steven Camarota, director of research with the Center for Immigration Studies, a research institute that supports strict immigration enforcement. "With all those caveats of 'It's an imperfect measure,' it does seem that the decline in Arizona was much more manifest than elsewhere."

Immigrant-rights advocates, however, point to the economy as a key factor driving illegal immigrants out of Arizona, just as the recession led to a decline in undocumented immigrants around the nation.

Many also believe newer ICE programs such as Secure Communities play a role. The Secure Communities program shares information with the federal government on every suspect who is fingerprinted by a law-enforcement agency in Arizona, which could contribute to an overall increase in deportations from the state. These immigrants are caught by ICE before they are ever booked into county jail on state charges.

More than half of immigrants ICE has deported from Maricopa County through the Secure Communities program either did not commit any serious offenses or did not commit a criminal offense at all, according to the agency's data. ICE policies authorize the removal of those immigrants when resources are available.

"That's of course one of the huge critiques of Secure Communities: a number of people identified through the program have no criminal offense attached to their record, are not charged with any criminal offense or are eventually not convicted of a criminal offense," said Victoria Lopez of the American Civil Liberties Union in Arizona.

Lopez said that Secure Communities likely has contributed to the decline in county-jail bookings.
"Removals are still up, detentions are still up, there are no empty detention beds, immigration courts are at full-plus capacity on their immigration dockets," Lopez said. "It's not as if immigration enforcement is not happening."

Both sides agree, however, that no single factor could account for such a significant drop in the number of ICE detainers, or immigration-status checks, placed on Maricopa County inmates."


I must be reading that wrong.. How is it possible that an "ILLEGAL" Immigrant has not committed any criminal offense.. Perhaps I am mis-understanding the term "ILLEGAL" - although, I don't think that I am....


Pilot, they commit plenty of federal felonies after they arrive.
If you use someone else's social security *number* it's a federal felony. You don't have to be in possession of the card.
And they all need to do it just to work. Plus they are lying on the I-9 form they have to fill out.
Also, if you use the USPS or a Wire Service to send money that was obtained illegally it's "MAILFRAUD or WIREFRAUD."
The Postal Inspectors use that against drug pushers.
Felonies disqualify anyone from even applying for U.S. Citizenship.




MrRodgers -> RE: Maricopa County AZ 40% drop in Illegal Aliens (3/10/2011 12:47:37 PM)

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ORIGINAL: jack8007

Not so 
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Good to see
  you haven't drawn your full issue of brains.

But you still have the basic GOP plan down pretty good - since you don't have answers, just imagine some outrageous lie as a total distraction, and repeat it over and over until you believe it.    Act contemptible, and then complain when people say you're contemptible.

What most fail to see and don't want to is that the Repubs know that their constituency is white and Christian, so they are going after everybody else most of which are Latinos most of which are Mexicans. 2 out of 3 immigrants that become legal, become democrats.

Repubs know they can not win with this formula. Texas has become now a blue (dem.) state. So we see Arizona's draconian laws and bills to amend the const. to remove birth here as automatic citizenship. Both the Bush & Obama admins. lately began to deport more illegals.




jack8007 -> RE: Maricopa County AZ 40% drop in Illegal Aliens (3/10/2011 1:42:45 PM)

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"But Your Honor, this is not a Jury of my Peers, these people are all decent, honest, law-abiding citizens!"


So why are you complaining about anybody else?

You might have added that most of them stayed awake long enough to graduate from HS, and probably know you should RTFM.




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