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Impeachment? - 3/20/2011 2:36:01 PM   
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Someone (I forget who) posted something to the effect of, he is damned if he does, and damned if he doesnt, and theres some truth to that. Now, a call for impeachment from the far left:

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Liberal Democrats in uproar over Libya action


A hard-core group of liberal House Democrats is questioning the constitutionality of U.S. missile strikes against Libya, with one lawmaker raising the prospect of impeachment during a Democratic Caucus conference call on Saturday.

Reps. Jerrold Nadler (N.Y.), Donna Edwards (Md.), Mike Capuano (Mass.), Dennis Kucinich (Ohio), Maxine Waters (Calif.), Rob Andrews (N.J.), Sheila Jackson Lee (Texas), Barbara Lee (Calif.) and Del. Eleanor Holmes Norton (D.C.) “all strongly raised objections to the constitutionality of the president’s actions” during that call, said two Democratic lawmakers who took part.


Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0311/51595.html#ixzz1HB4zccSF


And then theres this -

"Who The Hell Do You Think You Are?" Farrakhan Blasts Obama For Calling For Qaddafi to Step Down (Video)


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RE: Impeachment? - 3/20/2011 2:39:04 PM   
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Define "far left" in this context. Nobody you named above is far left of centre.
Besides, if they couldn't get the Chimp impeached, why the fuck would they try that on the Kenyan, who hasn't (as yet) invaded a sovereign nation under false pretences?

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RE: Impeachment? - 3/20/2011 2:40:41 PM   
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You are completely clueless about American politics.


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RE: Impeachment? - 3/20/2011 2:49:46 PM   
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Define "far left" in this context.


Different than your understandings of the term.

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RE: Impeachment? - 3/20/2011 2:52:42 PM   
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Doesnt the president have time before he has to consult with Congress over such actions?

Oops, your article mentions that.

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They could try to offer an amendment for under the 1973 War Powers Act, which would require a withdrawal of U.S. forces from any conflict within 60 days if the president lacks congressional approval, although it is unlikely that pass.

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Kucinich’s call to explore the impeachment question “got no support from anyone else on the call,” said another Democrat.



www.politico.com/news/stories/0311/51595_Page2.html#ixzz1HB9WI31x

Seems the call is coming from only one person... the same one who called for it against Bush.


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Kucinich, who wanted to bring impeachment articles against both former President George W. Bush and Vice President Dick Cheney over Iraq — only to be blocked by his own leadership — asked why the U.S. missile strikes aren’t impeachable offenses.

Kucinich also questioned why Democratic leaders didn’t object when President Barack Obama told them of his plan for American participation in enforcing the Libyan no-fly zone during a White House Situation Room meeting on Friday, sources told POLITICO.


Seems someone is trying to make a name for himself.



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RE: Impeachment? - 3/20/2011 2:54:42 PM   
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You are completely clueless about American politics.

Not quite as clueless as you though.


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RE: Impeachment? - 3/20/2011 2:55:59 PM   
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Seems someone is trying to make a name for himself.



At least he is consistent, Tazzy. I bet Code Pink will be, too. A lot of others who jumped the bandwagon as a way to attack Bush... Not so much I suspect.

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RE: Impeachment? - 3/20/2011 2:56:00 PM   
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You are completely clueless about American politics.


Given the drivel you spout in here, it looks like I'm not the only one.
You are clueless enough to think that "neocon" is a term of abuse, after all...

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RE: Impeachment? - 3/20/2011 3:00:17 PM   
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In its common usage, yes it is, whch just further demonstrates your utter cluelessness in regards to American politics

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Given the drivel you spout in here, it looks like I'm not the only one.
You are clueless enough to think that "neocon" is a term of abuse, after all...


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RE: Impeachment? - 3/20/2011 3:01:27 PM   
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Really clever mike, did you think that one up all on your own? 

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You are completely clueless about American politics.

Not quite as clueless as you though.



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RE: Impeachment? - 3/20/2011 3:04:12 PM   
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Prove it, then. You've had two or three days to find some support for this argument, after all.
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In its common usage, yes it is, whch just further demonstrates your utter cluelessness in regards to American politics

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ORIGINAL: Moonhead
Given the drivel you spout in here, it looks like I'm not the only one.
You are clueless enough to think that "neocon" is a term of abuse, after all...



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RE: Impeachment? - 3/20/2011 3:09:09 PM   
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Ok, Im going to step into this argument over the phrase "neocon". (god help me)

While neocon may have started out as an abbreviation of neoconservative, its ended up as being just as bad as libtard.

For proof as to how it is currently seen in our society...

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=neocon

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RE: Impeachment? - 3/20/2011 3:15:53 PM   
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In which case, what the hell are the neoconservatives on this site up to?
http://neoconexpress.blogspot.com/
or here?
http://www.neocon.com/

(urban dictionary, btw, is not reliable source: the authors of that definition are both left leaning and taking the piss.)

The term is not innately a pejorative, despite the fact that a few lefties find neoconservatives as distasteful as any other sort of reactionary. I've yet to hear any lefties use the term "libtard", while plenty on the right (including Francis Futuyama) are perfectly happy to abbreviate neoconservative to neocon.

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RE: Impeachment? - 3/20/2011 3:21:42 PM   
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If some people believe that teachers should receive  $100,000 + in total compensation for a few months worth of work, how is it that youre thinking that I shall provide you with an education for free?

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Prove it, then. You've had two or three days to find some support for this argument, after all.


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RE: Impeachment? - 3/20/2011 3:24:27 PM   
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quote:

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Really clever mike, did you think that one up all on your own? 

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ORIGINAL: slvemike4u

quote:

ORIGINAL: Sanity


You are completely clueless about American politics.

Not quite as clueless as you though.


As a matter of fact yeah,unlike you I do not depend on Drudge reports et al....to post.No cut and paste drivel for me


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RE: Impeachment? - 3/20/2011 3:27:24 PM   
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As I said, it started out as a shortened term. It is turning into a pejorative.

In the ongong national debate concerning the proper role of government in America one will often hear or read the term 'neocon' in reference to many conservatives. More often than not the word denotes a term of derision, a disparaging remark aimed at marginalizing the voice of some conservatives in the debate, the connotation being that a neocon is not a real conservative. Underlying the use of the term is the erroneous assumption that 'neo' means 'false,' and thus a neocon is a 'false' conservative. But 'neo' actually means 'new,' that is, 'new conservative.'

http://www.examiner.com/conservative-in-national/what-is-a-neocon-conservative

I would suggest you both read that article.

neocon started out as a liberal term. Its an interesting history


Q: What is a neoconservative and who are they?

Rich Lowry: Historically, 30 years ago it meant a former liberal who became a conservative. The cliche was because "they were mugged by reality," but it was because they saw the empirical failures of liberal welfare, state and foreign policies, and they were therefore less ideological than other conservatives and brought much more of a social science background to their argumentation.

They were associated with Irving Kristol's journal, the Public Interest, that had a lot of social-science pieces poking empirical holes in liberal theory. These people were former liberals, former Democrats, and in some cases former communists, but gradually over 30 years they really merged into the conservative mainstream, and the difference was very difficult to tell.

In fact, one of the foremost neoconservatives, Norman Podhoretz, wrote an obituary for this distinction several years ago because it just seemed to no longer matter. We've seen the rise of it again, first of all, with John McCain's candidacy in 2000, where the segment of conservatives that supported Sen. McCain tended to have more neo-kind of tendencies and tended to sort of self-consciously describe themselves as "neoconservatives," foremost among them Bill Kristol and David Brooks.

Neoconservatives are less skeptical of government than other conservatives. They are less worried about reducing the size of government, less enthusiastic about tax cuts, more concerned about forging national crusades that can tap either the American public's patriotism or its desire for reform. You saw this in McCain with his campaign finance proposal and a little bit in his foreign policy.

And with the war on terror, you saw neoconservatives emerging as a distinct tendency within conservatism, mostly on foreign policy; its hallmarks being extreme interventionism, extremely idealistic foreign policy, and emphasis on democracy building and spreading human rights and freedom and an overestimation, in my view, of how easy it is to spread democracy and liberty to spots in the world where it doesn't exist currently.

Paul Weyrich: They are mostly ex-liberals, by and large out of the intellectual community. These are people who came to the realization that modern liberalism was not the kind of liberalism that they had subscribed to. They are a fairly small group of people, both in and out of government. Those who are out of government are in either the media or academia. They are influential because they promote each other. They are very skilled at that.

Paul Gigot: I think of neoconservatism as having a very specific meaning related to history. That is, the neoconservatives were people who in the 1970s were former liberals, in some cases socialists, who moved right in reaction to the left's shift on cultural mores, personal responsibility and foreign policy. So I think the term "neoconservative" has that narrow meaning of that historical period. I think of them as the Podhoretzes and the Kristols and others. I don't think "neoconservative" means much anymore. I don't know what it means now or who they're referring to.

George Will: Oh gosh, that's not simple. Neoconservatives are persons who in domestic policy often were former Democrats who felt that conservatives had erred in not accepting the post-New Deal role of the central government. They were in their early incarnation focusing on domestic policy and were distinguishing themselves from Goldwater conservatives.

Also in domestic policies, however, as the '60s unfolded into the '70s and '80s, they led the critique of overreaching in domestic social engineering, saying that we accept the post-New Deal role of the central government, but the accumulated powers thereof are being wielded in a way too confident and optimistic and hubristic, if you will.

In foreign policy, and here's where it gets interesting, they have a more ambitious, more confident approach to the use of power than regular conservatives -- if you see the symmetry here? They say that America is a nation uniquely equipped as the sole remaining superpower to order the world and spread our values, etc., etc.

Who are they? The ones most commonly mentioned are Charles Krauthammer, Paul Wolfowitz, maybe Dick Cheney and his aide, Scooter Libby, Doug Feith in the Pentagon, Bill Kristol



Read more: So, what is a 'neocon'? - Pittsburgh Tribune-Review http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/s_196286.html#ixzz1HBKFZ84L

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RE: Impeachment? - 3/20/2011 3:28:54 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Sanity


If some people believe that teachers should receive  $100,000 + in total compensation for a few months worth of work, how is it that youre thinking that I should provide you with an education for free?

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Prove it, then. You've had two or three days to find some support for this argument, after all.

While I won't place a price tag on their value,I have always found it just a tad curious that we,as Americans ,seem content to pay sanitation workers better than we will pay those whom we entrust with the basic education of our children.
Perhaps you and I do not place the same value on the education of the next generation...I for one hold out hope that we can do better than was apparently done for you.


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RE: Impeachment? - 3/20/2011 3:29:08 PM   
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No duh mike, you rarely( if ever) post facts or information of any kind.

The very best you or most of your friends can ever hope for are these cheesy personal attacks.


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RE: Impeachment? - 3/20/2011 3:30:06 PM   
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Obama is handling the siutation in Libya just the way he should be..It was the Arabs who asked for a no fly zone over Libya.The rest of the U.N. has approved this as well.Obama is using caution as well.He isn't rushing into this without facts.Unlike the last goofball who decided to invade a country on clearly false lies.

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RE: Impeachment? - 3/20/2011 3:31:21 PM   
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Thank you taz, I lose patience trying to teach such basic stuff.

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As I said, it started out as a shortened term. It is turning into a pejorative.

In the ongong national debate concerning the proper role of government in America one will often hear or read the term 'neocon' in reference to many conservatives. More often than not the word denotes a term of derision, a disparaging remark aimed at marginalizing the voice of some conservatives in the debate, the connotation being that a neocon is not a real conservative. Underlying the use of the term is the erroneous assumption that 'neo' means 'false,' and thus a neocon is a 'false' conservative. But 'neo' actually means 'new,' that is, 'new conservative.'

http://www.examiner.com/conservative-in-national/what-is-a-neocon-conservative

I would suggest you both read that article.


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