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A poll regarding the US Life At Conception Act

FOR Life At Conception + FOR abolition of the death penalty

3% (1)

FOR Life At Conception + AG. abolition of the death penalty

11% (3)

AG. Life At Conception + FOR abolition of the death penalty

23% (6)

AG. Life At Conception + AG abolition of the death penalty

61% (16)

Total Votes : 26

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A poll regarding the US Life At Conception Act - 3/28/2011 5:46:59 AM

stellauk

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I'm returning to the Life At Conception Act sponsored by senators Rand Paul (Kentucky) and Roger Wicker (Mississippi) who are making lots of pro-life arguments in support of this law, citing a 2008 Zogby Poll that the majority of people believe that human life begins at conception and also citing the 14th Amendment.

However both states, Kentucky and Mississippi, have the death penalty on their statutes, as do 34 other states. Neither has mentioned anything regarding the death penalty.

I'm curious as to what the pro-life and pro-choice arguments really mean.

What do you think? Please cast your vote and I would be grateful for any reasoning behind your choice.

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RE: A poll regarding the US Life At Conception Act - 3/28/2011 7:04:22 AM

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I am for the argument of life beginning at conception, even though I am also a proponent of a woman's right to choose. I had an abortion not long after the Roe v. Wade decision in the early 70's. If I had it to do over again, I would not choose abortion for myself or my unborn child. I would have chosen adoption. However, I would never presume to impose my belief system on another woman. And I believe that the legislature should not be involved in that decision process either. I also believe that we are rapidly killing the earth with overpopulation, but I don't think that abortion is a viable method of birth control & should not be used as such.

I do believe in the death penalty for the most part, but not how it's practiced today. I realize that there were some people who were put to death who were innocent of the crimes of which they were convicted. But I believe that the vast majority of those who are on death row for decades are guilty & should be executed. I don't approve of the rounds & rounds of appeals that give these people another 20-30 years of life. If they are murderers, I doubt that they gave their victims the same rights that they demand for themselves.

As I have gotten older, my beliefs have become somewhat more conservative. But one thing has remained constant: I campaigned for abortion reform laws while I was pregnant with my daughter. I would do the same today--without the pregnancy of course--and I am appalled that we continue to have to fight this fight.

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RE: A poll regarding the US Life At Conception Act - 3/28/2011 7:59:51 AM

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My personal views are much like Linnae's.

Personally, I do see it as life at conception but am very against any effort to make early term abortion illegal. Later pregnancy abortion I have very strong reservations about.

I also have strong reservations about the death penalty, but, I do not see it as an abomination that many do.

For ME........most of my reservations about abortion stems from my views on personal responsibility. I see it used as an easy (I know that is subjective) out for a personal inconvenience. Something that should have, could have, been avoided.

That being said........I think the way pro-life people fight abortion is asinine. Rather than make it illegal and do everything possible to make those utilizing the services feel like horrible people. How about provide better education, birth control, etc.? How about creating facilities to assist those that find themselves pregnant and want other options? That sort of thing. But no.......they would rather make it a black and white issue when in reality it is all shades of gray. At least that is my personal view on the subject. For myself, it is not an option, but I refuse to persecute anyone that feels it is an option for them. It's just not my business. I am not walking in their shoes.

The death penalty......I don't think I place enough importance on the lives of some adults as others. I also find the comparison between abortion issues and the death penalty to be overly simplistic and a poor debating point. An adult person that will likely never be a productive member of society. That does nothing but take, does nothing to contribute to the world around them. A person that has harmed innocents and very probably will again........what possible reason is there to keep supporting their life?

How anyone can compare a serial killer or rapist and getting rid of them, to a yet to be lived, innocent life.......escapes me completely. One had a chance and tossed it.....the other deserves a chance.

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RE: A poll regarding the US Life At Conception Act - 3/28/2011 8:11:16 AM

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I agree with laT and LInnea about abortion.

I have mixed feelings on the death penalty though. I do have an eye for an eye kind of attitude..but the advent of DNA testing radically changed the judicial system, and who knows what the next advance will be? I hate the idea of someone being executed and then 10/15/30 yrs later some new advance in science/tech coming into accepted use that might have exonerated them.

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RE: A poll regarding the US Life At Conception Act - 3/28/2011 4:57:41 PM

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I miscarried at about 9 weeks. My doctor told me that all there was to analyze was about a spoonful of cells. Hardly sentient. So no, I don't think that qualifies as life. Potential life yes, but not a life that could grow and survive on it's own.

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RE: A poll regarding the US Life At Conception Act - 3/28/2011 6:13:14 PM

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Charles Manson is alive and paid for with taxpayer dollars. Imagine how much income could be generated with a pay per view execution!

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RE: A poll regarding the US Life At Conception Act - 3/28/2011 6:20:40 PM

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I'm pretty much in agreement with Linea and LaT regarding abortion and life beginning at conception. I would not want to make early term abortions illegal.

As far as the death penalty goes, I believe that whatever technology they can use to prove or disprove a person's innocence or guilt is what we have to work with, and I'm pro-death penalty for those whom the American judicial system has decided that as punishment.

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RE: A poll regarding the US Life At Conception Act - 3/28/2011 6:31:17 PM

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There is no doubt in My mind exactly where the "life at conception" bit is going. It's just like every other attempt to hack away at abortion rights. It doesn't matter to Me if I believe life begins at conception. Any person in the position of having to decide if they are going to make such a personal choice doesn't need that process to be any more difficult because of other people's views having an influence.

I do happen to support the death penalty. I think we have gotten to the point with DNA evidence that we're not convicting the wrong people when we're finding their hair, blood, and/or semen at the scene of vicious crimes. I'm not big on the 'it could have been planted' theory. It's too much of a reach when that gets used so frequently as the argument against it.

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RE: A poll regarding the US Life At Conception Act - 3/28/2011 6:45:38 PM

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The main problem with life at conception as a legal doctrine is what happens at miscarriage. I've read autobiographies of physicians who were training before RvW and miscarriages were first assumed to be attempted abortions.

I've got a new book that provides a history of abortion and it was incredibly common into the early 20th century. Many married women, from all walks of life, would have 5-9 abortions. It was just a thing women did, the knowledge was widely known amongst women and most of the husbands. The husbands were not highly involved except when having to search for care if the wife was dying from the abortion.

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RE: A poll regarding the US Life At Conception Act - 3/28/2011 6:59:42 PM

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Since I believe in the death penalty for those who deserve it....I don't get this thread..but I believe in abortion in a timely manner....I couldn't find a button to vote on...Argument of life to me is life the same as whether fertilized chicken egg is life....sorry..but of course there are limits! wow editing now..your choices are confusing... I stay where I am.

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RE: A poll regarding the US Life At Conception Act - 3/28/2011 7:06:04 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: LadyPact

There is no doubt in My mind exactly where the "life at conception" bit is going. It's just like every other attempt to hack away at abortion rights. It doesn't matter to Me if I believe life begins at conception. Any person in the position of having to decide if they are going to make such a personal choice doesn't need that process to be any more difficult because of other people's views having an influence.

I do happen to support the death penalty. I think we have gotten to the point with DNA evidence that we're not convicting the wrong people when we're finding their hair, blood, and/or semen at the scene of vicious crimes. I'm not big on the 'it could have been planted' theory. It's too much of a reach when that gets used so frequently as the argument against it.

This. I had a termination when I was younger and have never ever regretted it, only felt (and still feel) huge relief that is was an option. In being sexually active for 30 years I don't think 1 accidental pregnancy makes me irresponsible.

Death penalty..used to be anti like most liberals. However with age and experience I have seen too many people that would would make the world a better place if they ceased to breath. The clincher for me was the story of that Connecticut doctor who's wife and children were brutally slain. Petit was his name I believe, but it really disturbed me, the details of that case. I could easily pull the switch or inject the needle into those bastards, not a single problem with it.

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RE: A poll regarding the US Life At Conception Act - 3/28/2011 7:12:52 PM

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I'm with the fuzzy bunny regarding the choices being confusing, although I voted. I think the second part of the choice would be easier to understand if it were simply "for the death penalty" or "against the death penalty" rather than making it a choice re: if we are for or against its abolition.

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RE: A poll regarding the US Life At Conception Act - 3/28/2011 7:31:41 PM

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Life probably begins at conception. That does not mean it is a viable human being. I remember when abortion was illegal. And to that, I say "Never again". Those who do not believe in abortion should not have one. Its been 38 years since the Supreme Court ruled on this. When will people wake up? the real agenda is also to deny us birth control, to return women to the status of second class citizen, and to then vilify women who have children they cannot support. Sounds a lot like the Republican agenda these days.

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RE: A poll regarding the US Life At Conception Act - 3/28/2011 8:08:40 PM

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Against the Life at Conception Act. Life may indeed begin at conception in a biological sense, but personhood begins only at birth. The two concepts are mutually exclusive, and the state should only have authority once personhood occurs.

For the abolition of the death penalty because when the state kills somebody they do it in the name of all the people of that state, including me. I want no part of killing anybody...it would damage my soul if somebody was killed on my behalf.

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RE: A poll regarding the US Life At Conception Act - 3/29/2011 5:59:07 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: LadyPact

There is no doubt in My mind exactly where the "life at conception" bit is going. It's just like every other attempt to hack away at abortion rights. It doesn't matter to Me if I believe life begins at conception. Any person in the position of having to decide if they are going to make such a personal choice doesn't need that process to be any more difficult because of other people's views having an influence.

What she said

In regards to death penalty my view is divided.

At one side I belief that sitting life long in prison (in terms of really life long, not beng released again after 15 or 25 years) is a worse punishment than the death penalty and believing in afterlife I go even so far to see it as protection from the victim that the person who did the crime can't take an early exit and follow in that afterlife...which then would be against death penalty and leaves me happy with the system we have at home.

on the other side, considering how much money it actually costs to keep a murderer locked in for 30+ years I believe that this money could be better spend in aspects for the commmunity, such as providing better community offers for kids or more help for adults with disability or the elderly...

So overall I am against death penalty but if the right usage of the safed money would be done that it goes back to the community then I could agree to it in cases where it is 100% clear with DNA etc.

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RE: A poll regarding the US Life At Conception Act - 3/29/2011 6:27:05 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: LadyPact

There is no doubt in My mind exactly where the "life at conception" bit is going. It's just like every other attempt to hack away at abortion rights. It doesn't matter to Me if I believe life begins at conception. Any person in the position of having to decide if they are going to make such a personal choice doesn't need that process to be any more difficult because of other people's views having an influence.

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ORIGINAL: Firebirdseeking

Life probably begins at conception. That does not mean it is a viable human being. I remember when abortion was illegal. And to that, I say "Never again". Those who do not believe in abortion should not have one. Its been 38 years since the Supreme Court ruled on this. When will people wake up? the real agenda is also to deny us birth control, to return women to the status of second class citizen, and to then vilify women who have children they cannot support. Sounds a lot like the Republican agenda these days.

Until the fetus is viable, the female controls her own body, her own life, her own direction.
To take that away from women is to keep them shackled to government and religions by their bodies....and so WRONG.
But of course, I think boys should be sterilized at birth and only unsnipped when they can produce proof they are going to be a worthy father.(only partly kidding)
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Death penalty, Im up and down, there are some who need never to see the light of day,
most of them are financial crooks/bankers, insurance CEOs, oil speculators, child molesters rapists and serial killers.

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RE: A poll regarding the US Life At Conception Act - 3/29/2011 8:05:22 AM

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FR -

I do not believe that life begins at inception. When does it begin? I don't know. I know it is one of the great mysteries that makes me believe in miracles. I know that I've looked at the week by week photos and can't pinpoint a time. For me, that is the magic - not knowing is magical. In honoring and respecting life, one can make decisions easier, with a clear conscience. It is when this becomes a huge battle that the magic, the honor, the respect, the mystery is taken away to become something black and white that has no room for one's own integrity and belief system, no room for G*d.

Something this complex is not a yes or no matter for me.

Do I believe in the death penalty? As much as I want to say no, the answer is that yes, I do. I've seen evil. I've been in a room with a person whose only method of feeling anything was murder. I've known sociopaths who could not, would not stop. Yes, I do believe there are times when some people need to be put down like a rabid dog. However, as a society, we are responsible for the raising of our children and ought not put them in a position where these monsters are created. Death penalty is a necessary evil in my mind. Another issue that takes a complex issue and simplifies it to ridiculous proportions.

Something this complex is not a burn 'em or jail 'em matter to me.

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RE: A poll regarding the US Life At Conception Act - 3/29/2011 4:15:37 PM

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I'd like to thank everyone for taking part in the poll and sharing their views. It's giving me a clearer picture of the issues involved and I appreciate this.

Thank you.

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