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RE: Academic Elitism ? - 3/31/2011 12:33:04 PM

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Two, an inside and an outside. The paper it is drawn on has two sides.

Bring a box into it (a 3 dimensional object) and we will say 6, and use the word side incorrectly when we mean surface.

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RE: Academic Elitism ? - 3/31/2011 12:54:14 PM

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Head scratcher, that.

I'm not sure which surface of the issue I should take on that one.

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RE: Academic Elitism ? - 3/31/2011 7:55:53 PM

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I do too much reading to remember where I've read everything and be able to retrieve it.

I can't say I do a boatload or reading, but I do read enough, and don't remember what book I read what in usually. I thought it was just me.

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More and more on these forums I am coming across posters who quote other's words as their response to an issue, even to the point of cut and pasting large tracts of offsite writings, so what is it, one has to link an academic to have a valid point in discussion?

What is wrong with your own point of view, is it not good enough ?

In which case if it is not good enough, then we are self censoring and denying ourselves the right to comment.
Which is heading down the path of we know nothing, only those who have academic qualifications or know how to write in an academic fashion will be heard.

I agree with your observation. I also think the arguments here are awesome, and most people paying attention, can learn something new.
I think some of us do self censor (good idea or not)... I think most people who didn't major/have advanced degree in philosophy, or political science here do (IMO). When I care, I comment. If someone proves me wrong, I'll have learned something new, and I usually am successful in leaving my ego out of it.

The funniest part of most arguments here, is when clearly academically gifted people, start calling one another "idiots, or morons." A clear misuse of either word, every time it's applied on these boards, since anyone capable of going this far online, and argue, clearly isn't either. M

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RE: Academic Elitism ? - 3/31/2011 8:24:43 PM

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RE: Academic Elitism ? - 4/1/2011 2:32:46 AM

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ORIGINAL: LaTigresse
I do too much reading to remember where I've read everything and be able to retrieve it.
I can't say I do a boatload or reading, but I do read enough, and don't remember what book I read what in usually. I thought it was just me.

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More and more on these forums I am coming across posters who quote other's words as their response to an issue, even to the point of cut and pasting large tracts of offsite writings, so what is it, one has to link an academic to have a valid point in discussion?

What is wrong with your own point of view, is it not good enough ?

In which case if it is not good enough, then we are self censoring and denying ourselves the right to comment.
Which is heading down the path of we know nothing, only those who have academic qualifications or know how to write in an academic fashion will be heard.
I agree with your observation. I also think the arguments here are awesome, and most people paying attention, can learn something new.
I think some of us do self censor (good idea or not)... I think most people who didn't major/have advanced degree in philosophy, or political science here do (IMO). When I care, I comment. If someone proves me wrong, I'll have learned something new, and I usually am successful in leaving my ego out of it.

The funniest part of most arguments here, is when clearly academically gifted people, start calling one another "idiots, or morons." A clear misuse of either word, every time it's applied on these boards, since anyone capable of going this far online, and argue, clearly isn't either. M

I also agree with what you have written and when the dogs start snapping at each other I tend to lose interest in the conversation. But with my performance on here, I am true to the signature I have at the bottom of this page, everything I am is the result of what I have thought and so, what I think, I become; wise words attributed to Guatama Buddha and very true. Therefore viewers may notice I change my stance on many things and that because I am open to the fact that life is about learning not knowing. I seek to learn and that is why I may from time to time post questions that irritate others, I am not afraid of asking contentious questions, as I will not bow down to the god of censorship as censorship keeps people dumb.

Ego, yes that is here too and quite possibly a considerable component in the way some post, but if ego comes out in postings, to me, that is insecurity, for ego gives that away.

The other signature about conservatism is just there to inform the scared.

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RE: Academic Elitism ? - 4/1/2011 2:56:16 AM

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I don't do that and most people in here have a good idea where I stand on many issues

Yeah, pretending you are an Independent moderate while your posts scream conservative Republican.

Rule, but to you Keith Olberman would be a "conservative Republican."
You can only think in "two sides."
Here's a question for you, how many sides does a square have?

No Popeye. I can understand there are a lot of different issues which people take different views on, regardless of how they define themselves politically.

What I don't understand is how you define yourself as a moderate when the majority of your views are clearly conservative.

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RE: Academic Elitism ? - 4/1/2011 3:06:56 AM

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Why has anyone's views have to be seen as political, for does it not occur that what views a person holds themselves to, might just be their own and not affiliated to some group thought.

But then that is my ongoing observation of what is happening in America, you are it seems engaged in labelling others with political leanings so you may think of the individual as a group and there pillory them for the failings of the supposed affiliated party leaders failings.

You are fighting amongst yourselves and whilst you are doing this, you are losing sight of the bigger picture, for that also is another political tool, keep the population divided and fighting amongst themselves so other things can go on unnoticed.

The united states must again unite.

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RE: Academic Elitism ? - 4/1/2011 9:03:30 AM

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I don't do that and most people in here have a good idea where I stand on many issues

Yeah, pretending you are an Independent moderate while your posts scream conservative Republican.

Rule, but to you Keith Olberman would be a "conservative Republican."
You can only think in "two sides."
Here's a question for you, how many sides does a square have?

No Popeye. I can understand there are a lot of different issues which people take different views on, regardless of how they define themselves politically.

What I don't understand is how you define yourself as a moderate when the majority of your views are clearly conservative.

Rule, again, they may be "conservative to *you.*
One could hardly call being in favor of a woman's right to choose, legalizing marijuana, gay marriage, being pro union "conservative" could they?
But, I suppose that if you were on the non-planet Pluto all the planets closer to the sun would be "warm" to you.

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RE: Academic Elitism ? - 4/1/2011 9:18:11 AM

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Why has anyone's views have to be seen as political, for does it not occur that what views a person holds themselves to, might just be their own and not affiliated to some group thought.

But then that is my ongoing observation of what is happening in America, you are it seems engaged in labelling others with political leanings so you may think of the individual as a group and there pillory them for the failings of the supposed affiliated party leaders failings.

You are fighting amongst yourselves and whilst you are doing this, you are losing sight of the bigger picture, for that also is another political tool, keep the population divided and fighting amongst themselves so other things can go on unnoticed.

The united states must again unite.

So we should all have a nice big group hug?

And please stop with the conspiracy nonsense.

No one is trying to keep the country divided, people just have different views, and those views often lead to one side of the political spectrum.

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RE: Academic Elitism ? - 4/1/2011 9:33:53 AM

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Rule, again, they may be "conservative to *you.*
One could hardly call being in favor of a woman's right to choose, legalizing marijuana, gay marriage, being pro union "conservative" could they?
But, I suppose that if you were on the non-planet Pluto all the planets closer to the sun would be "warm" to you.

Popeye, there are certain issues that I take what would be defined as a typically conservative viewpoint on.

That doesn't mean I still don't consider myself a liberal.

But you want to play the role of an Independent while all you do in every post you make is attack Democrats.

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RE: Academic Elitism ? - 4/1/2011 5:29:56 PM

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It's called substantiating your argument, and those that do not do it are just plainly lazy.

Where is your proof ?

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RE: Academic Elitism ? - 4/1/2011 6:25:35 PM

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Why has anyone's views have to be seen as political, for does it not occur that what views a person holds themselves to, might just be their own and not affiliated to some group thought.

But then that is my ongoing observation of what is happening in America, you are it seems engaged in labelling others with political leanings so you may think of the individual as a group and there pillory them for the failings of the supposed affiliated party leaders failings.

You are fighting amongst yourselves and whilst you are doing this, you are losing sight of the bigger picture, for that also is another political tool, keep the population divided and fighting amongst themselves so other things can go on unnoticed.

The united states must again unite.

So we should all have a nice big group hug?

And please stop with the conspiracy nonsense.

No one is trying to keep the country divided, people just have different views, and those views often lead to one side of the political spectrum.

Hey mate, it's not conspiracy, it's fact, just look at the P&R forum for example look at the way you are all so keen to label someone with a political party desccription and there tear into them. Hardly a day goes by without someone slagging off another poster for their views which are taken to be political party affiliated.

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RE: Academic Elitism ? - 4/1/2011 6:41:49 PM

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I don't link to show off, I link and use citations to show that instead of spouting off an opinion I endeavor to see if my opinion has validity. Therefore I cite sources which bolster my arguments.

Somehow Aneirin seems to think that facts and opinions are interchangeable, which is anti-intellectual in the extreme. Opinions have absolutely no value unless the reasons why someone holds an opinion are known.

"It is my opinion that humans actually evolved from dog-like aliens who were stranded here from Sirius' fifth planet."
"Why do you believe that?"
"Because I say it's true, and if you don't accept my opinion then you are an acedemic elitist."

What a load of stinking, fermenting horseshit.

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RE: Academic Elitism ? - 4/1/2011 9:25:15 PM

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Hippie has touched on another important function of links - verification.

Links provide ways of verifying whether the claims being made are factual or not. By providing links, a person is saying to me "No need to take my word for it, here you are, please check it out for yourself".

This is one of the many reasons I like links. As always, there's no obligation on the reader to check the link out. But for those who like fact over fantasy in this area, links provide a useful service.

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RE: Academic Elitism ? - 4/1/2011 9:47:59 PM

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Or not posting links invites others to check for themself if they are at all interested, but in checking for themselves they are likely to find argument and counter argument thus proving there are many sides to a story.

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RE: Academic Elitism ? - 4/1/2011 10:02:37 PM

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Hippie does make a good point, because there are those times, people will post opinions from a planet unknown to the rest of us. At those times, links to substantiate those thoughs are necessary... Especially when it comes to politics, not that this thread is/was about that. M

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RE: Academic Elitism ? - 4/1/2011 10:13:21 PM

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Or not posting links invites others to check for themself if they are at all interested, but in checking for themselves they are likely to find argument and counter argument thus proving there are many sides to a story.

I am dis-appointed with the calibur of the poster here these days.

Rather then functionally discuss, explore, learn and grow- most would rather regurgitate the same tired formulas that the mainstream goes with.

It is like being trapped in a box.

No one here has the creativity to build a better mouse trap.

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RE: Academic Elitism ? - 4/1/2011 10:14:02 PM

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Why has anyone's views have to be seen as political, for does it not occur that what views a person holds themselves to, might just be their own and not affiliated to some group thought.

I know I already responded to this but I couldn't keep myself from adding this.

I'm pretty sure that someone's views on a political message board are political.

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RE: Academic Elitism ? - 4/1/2011 10:21:41 PM

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Hippie does make a good point, because there are those times, people will post opinions from a planed unknown to the rest of us. At those times, links to substantiate those thoughs are necessary... Especially when it comes to politics, not that this thread is/was about that. M

And the other problem about posting links, is the source of those links, from where presumably the poster learned what they know, for we have all seen it here people being denigrated because the source of their link does not agree with another's views.

Such comments that refer to the supposed political bias of a source or whether it is credible or not.

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RE: Academic Elitism ? - 4/1/2011 10:23:44 PM

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Hey mate, it's not conspiracy, it's fact, just look at the P&R forum for example look at the way you are all so keen to label someone with a political party desccription and there tear into them. Hardly a day goes by without someone slagging off another poster for their views which are taken to be political party affiliated.

Yeah? No shit?

Welcome to the political forum.

If it bothers you so much maybe you should stick to the softer sides of the boards where you can join in the discussions about what your cat is doing and which laundry detergent smells the freshest.

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