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RE: Human bites - 4/11/2011 2:39:48 PM

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The reason human bites are so bad is because we eat so much poison. I've been bitten by dogs. First time I was a little kid and they took me to the doctor and all that shit. Next time I just bit the motherfucker back. He didn't do it again.

This antiseptic life is wrong. Want sex ? I'll pitch a tent in the back and we can fuck with the mosquitos and grashoppers tickling our ears. That is how nature intended it.

Cut me ? What stitches ? Bullshit. Soap ? Fucking why ? The poison is already in your body if it was there, it's too late. Stop the bleeding ? Bullshit - MAKE IT BLEED AS MUCH AS YOU CAN. The blood is flowing out, nothing flows in at that time. It also may flush out any poisons that may have gotten in. That is fucking why nature designed us with a positive blood pressure, rather than a vacuum that would suck in who knows what ?

If you don't understand I guess you just haven't been injured physically enough.

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oh good grief.

Bacteria is not a result of toxins or as you call it, poison. Bacteria are a simply a part of nature--those pesky little organisms live in both organic and inorganic matter. We have more bacteria in our bodies than living cells. We actually need some the different species of bacteria to function normally. Not all bacteria are bad. (Like yogurt? thank your local friendly micro-organisms)

Clean does not mean no bacteria and vice-versa. The science community and the medical communities continue to debate to adverse effects of all of the anti-bacterial soap crazes.... but it has really little to do with "cleaning."

Bacteria exist in our mouths--you can rinse and rinse with mouthwash and despite what commercials tell you--your mouth will breed more. That's just how it works. Bites introduce bacteria in a manner very different from snake venom. You can't suck out or bleed out the bacteria. Letting a small cut bleed may wash out debris that got into it, but generally any small cut benefits from being irrigated--and most big/deep wounds require it. Stitches promote wound closure and speed healing. Can you heal without stitches for small wounds? yes--but you are more likely to have infection, slower healing and more scarring.

The body pumps blood for perfusion to all of our cells in a sophisticated, cyclical logistical delivery system--mother nature's brilliant design. It's a closed system with the kidneys our filter for blood. "Bleeding out for health" went away medieval times. Our skin was designed to keep everything in--we bleed when that organ is compromised, from a cut, scrape, puncture etc. Our body naturally responds to stop bleeding by clotting small bleeds.

This is basic anatomy and physiology--with an intro to microbiology thrown in. I'm in the "bug business" it's part of what my Bureau does, day in, day out. We deal with everything from Anthrax to Tuberculosis, and everything in between.

First do no harm.

Your advice will do harm. You do as you wish. I do not encourage any one to follow it.

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RE: Human bites - 4/15/2011 5:47:00 AM

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From my understanding (a chemist explained that to me) dogs have more enzymes in their mouth that kill bacteria, humans have less of the enzyme, that's why human bites tend to get infected...

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RE: Human bites - 4/15/2011 5:00:37 PM

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Is anyone concerned about viruses that are transmitted by blood to blood contact? If the person biting has brushed his teeth 20 min before biting or has bleeding gums etc?

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RE: Human bites - 4/15/2011 5:09:32 PM

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From my understanding (a chemist explained that to me) dogs have more enzymes in their mouth that kill bacteria, humans have less of the enzyme, that's why human bites tend to get infected...

Hi LadyC
Good to see you posting, btw--
I don't know about dogs and enzymes--sounds reasonable. Human bites and cat bites are definitely at the top of the list when it comes to infections!

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RE: Human bites - 4/15/2011 5:13:33 PM

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Is anyone concerned about viruses that are transmitted by blood to blood contact? If the person biting has brushed his teeth 20 min before biting or has bleeding gums etc?

Actually one should be far more concerned about Hepatitis B, which can definitely be spread through biting. (blood or saliva) All healthcare workers and those who work with people with developmental disabilities (esp. kids) are strongly encouraged to get a Hep-B series.

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RE: Human bites - 4/15/2011 5:58:01 PM

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@hausboy - May a Hept A shot wouldn't hurt either and if you ever need to travel you already have your shots. Also testing for Hept C might also be indicated if you are bitten to the point where any amount of blood is present.

Most important is to really know your partners and their health histroy if you even think that biting may be envolved.

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RE: Human bites - 4/15/2011 6:09:07 PM

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@hausboy - May a Hept A shot wouldn't hurt either and if you ever need to travel you already have your shots. Also testing for Hept C might also be indicated if you are bitten to the point where any amount of blood is present.

Most important is to really know your partners and their health histroy if you even think that biting may be envolved.

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Indeed. I already have Hep A and B series. Any time we have a bite investigation, the blood sample of the "biter" is sent to the lab to run a full screening.

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RE: Human bites - 4/16/2011 5:18:33 PM

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Thanks for the info...
Your knowledge has always amazed me...
I think I need to send someone to read your posts...
As well as myself -L-
Again, thanks DesFIP for sharing with us...

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RE: Human bites - 4/26/2011 3:57:27 AM

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Hi LadyC
Good to see you posting, btw--
I don't know about dogs and enzymes--sounds reasonable. Human bites and cat bites are definitely at the top of the list when it comes to infections!

One of my cats had an abscess drained last Thursday, came from another cat bite, she said the little boy needs to wear a collar (he looked like a really pissed off old spinster with a bonnet) to avoid him licking it as apparently cat saliva is full of germs and can cause more infections (the reason for the abscess anyway), the girl Dobie took to nursing the cat and licked his paw for him, so I rang again and the vet said including bathing the paw in salt water, that's actually the best thing for healing and said in case you get injured somewhere and it's not a deep wound but a huge surface abrasion and you can't clean out the wound, letting a dog lick it can prevent infections, the enzymes in their saliva will kill most germs. I still might prefer more conventional methods for disinfection but it was really interesting.

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RE: Human bites - 4/26/2011 3:22:27 PM

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In the Middle Ages, puppy tongues were used in folk medicine to prevent infection because people observed that when a dog licked a bite or cut, it healed cleanly.

When I got a deep puncture wound from a dog bite while an adolescent, it wasn't plain salt water that was recommended but Epsom Salts in hot water for 15 minutes out of every hour. It worked too, I avoided surgery which was my doctor's first thought when he saw it.

German Shepherd with hip dysplasia from inbreeding. He bit when startled and was in pain a lot of the time.

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RE: Human bites - 4/26/2011 3:40:29 PM

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While very interesting......I am going to stick to my guns on this one. I've seen the "results" of home remedies, and I really do encourage anyone with an open or deep wound of any kind to avoid putting anything on or in it, other than first aid/antibiotic ointment on small superficial cuts. Anything bigger or requiring sutures should be seen by a medical professional--preferable within an hour if it needs sutures/stitches.

Pouring salt water in or on an open wound is not advised.

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RE: Human bites - 4/27/2011 2:00:53 AM

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Oddly enough, when my dog had a massive cut from a glass shard or bites from other dogs (stupid tail docking, other dogs often can't tell she's friendly as she has no tail to wag - so much less a problem with the boy who's not docked), everytime we were told to bath it in salt water, same with the cat recently. Not pour water into the wound but bath it gently in it.

As for home remedies, it depends a lot, my grandma was heavily into herbal remedies, herbal remedies are not much different from drugs, I mean if you think about it, where do the drugs come from? Pretty often instead of taking a heavy antibiotic when you got blocked sinuses, inhaling with salt water or adding a few drops of an essential oil (eucalyptus, lavender, rosemary, etc.) will help and be a more gentle way. While antibiotics certainly have their value and play an important role, I think often they are given too readily, which does lead to quite a few superbugs that are immune.

I've done pretty extensive research a few years ago about the wise women (often called witches) and their healing methods compared to the healing methods the "doctors" of the middle ages had, a lot of them had a much better understanding of the human body than the so called doctors who's main "cure" was bleeding patients and who often put dung on open wounds. The wise women had the belief that "bad spirits or humors" abhor cleanliness, as they witnessed that a wound that was kept clean often healed better - this and their knowledge about contraception lead to a lot of the witch hunts. So I wouldn't really claim that all healing methods that aren't "school medicine" are completely useless, a lot of knowledge got lost during the witch hunts and when books were burned as "heathen" and "not Christian". If you think about it, for a long time Arabia was way way more advanced when it came to to medicine and healing than the medieval "doctors", who tended to butcher their patients.

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