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Kirata -> RE: Why is the Quran Buring News? (4/5/2011 11:42:59 AM)


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ORIGINAL: ashjor911

The freedom stops when you attack others by it… If it’s ok for the preacher to act that act & goes without punished, the people in the street will know now that it’s ok to attack Muslims in their street, because they will go without punishment as well.

Bullshit. He didn't attack anybody. Yes it was a message of hate. Ya see a lot of that in a free society, where the rights of nut cases are just as protected as your own. Think Phelps. Think Skokie. Think the Piss Christ. But assaulting people is another matter. And so is murder. Apparently some folks still need to learn that, and the sooner the better.

K.



Moonhead -> RE: Why is the Quran Buring News? (4/5/2011 11:43:23 AM)

Has anybody said that they don't have a problem with Karzai drawing attention to this?



stellauk -> RE: Why is the Quran Buring News? (4/5/2011 12:13:07 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Kirata

He didn't attack anybody.



Seriously? There's more than one way of attacking people, and some don't involve physical contact.

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ORIGINAL: Kirata

Yes it was a message of hate. Ya see a lot of that in a free society, where the rights of nut cases are just as protected as your own.



What 'free' society are we talking about here? US society? Well even if we overlook that Second Amendment fetish that guns guarantee freedom there's still the matter of that military occupation in places like Iraq and Afghanistan, and the thing is, while you're oppressing others, that freedom which you seem to think exists doesn't.

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ORIGINAL: Kirata

Think Phelps. Think Skokie. Think the Piss Christ.



Neither Phelps nor Stokie use military force to reinforce their views. Big difference don't you think?

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ORIGINAL: Kirata

But assaulting people is another matter. And so is murder.



I agree with you here 100%. You can also throw in respect for human rights which these Islamic fundamentalists don't seem to get either, or that terrorism is a justified means of furthering your cause.

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ORIGINAL: Kirata

Apparently some people still need to learn that, and the sooner the better.



True, and on both sides.

There's also a big difference between Muslim and Islamic fundamentalist too, as well as Muslim and terrorist, and it's apparent that some Americans, including Jones needs to learn that, and the sooner the better.

Edited to add: None of this either justifies what Karzal did either and that stands in itself as a gross abuse of human rights and freedom of speech. But if that Koran wasn't burnt, and perhaps if US forces weren't still occupying Afghanistan, then maybe this would not have happened in the first place.



Kirata -> RE: Why is the Quran Buring News? (4/5/2011 12:30:45 PM)


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ORIGINAL: stellauk

Seriously? There's more than one way of attacking people, and some don't involve physical contact.

Metaphors are wonderful things, but misusing them doesn't further intelligent discussion. Jones was attacking beliefs, not people. He burned a book, not a person.

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ORIGINAL: stellauk

What 'free' society are we talking about here? US society?

Lemme think... is Florida in the US?

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ORIGINAL: stellauk

while you're oppressing others, that freedom which you seem to think exists doesn't.

I don't think we have any business in Afghanistan, but our being there doesn't abrogate someone's Constitutional rights in Florida.

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ORIGINAL: stellauk

Neither Phelps nor Stokie use military force to reinforce their views. Big difference don't you think?

Jones isn't using military force to reinforce his views either. Try to keep your parallels straight.

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ORIGINAL: stellauk

There's also a big difference between Muslim and Islamic fundamentalist too, as well as Muslim and terrorist, and it's apparent that some Americans, including Jones needs to learn that, and the sooner the better.

Agreed.

K.



kissheels -> RE: Why is the Quran Buring News? (4/5/2011 12:38:41 PM)

islam=terrorism, plain and simple, trying to tell me if some imaan tells his 'flock' to go blow themselfs up and take 100s if not 1000s of inocent lives, they wont obey????



ashjor911 -> RE: Why is the Quran Buring News? (4/5/2011 1:21:29 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Kirata

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ORIGINAL: ashjor911

The freedom stops when you attack others by it… If it’s ok for the preacher to act that act & goes without punished, the people in the street will know now that it’s ok to attack Muslims in their street, because they will go without punishment as well.

Bullshit. He didn't attack anybody. Yes it was a message of hate. Ya see a lot of that in a free society, where the rights of nut cases are just as protected as your own. Think Phelps. Think Skokie. Think the Piss Christ. But assaulting people is another matter. And so is murder. Apparently some folks still need to learn that, and the sooner the better.

K.


are you saying that its ok to break the laws in florida ???
Thn man broke the Law & you are saying that its a ballshit????
What the Front door are you Smoking????please tell me so i can smoke it.



ashjor911 -> RE: Why is the Quran Buring News? (4/5/2011 1:26:54 PM)


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ORIGINAL: kissheels

islam=terrorism, plain and simple, trying to tell me if some imaan tells his 'flock' to go blow themselfs up and take 100s if not 1000s of inocent lives, they wont obey????


Oh My dear,
before you talk about Islam, learn about Islam, Know it.
Then you can say whatever the Hell you want. dont reflect any act that Muslims FORBID on Islam.
It reflects On the Person.



hlen5 -> RE: Why is the Quran Buring News? (4/5/2011 1:28:08 PM)

What civil law do you think T Jones broke, Ashjor?



ashjor911 -> RE: Why is the Quran Buring News? (4/5/2011 1:37:50 PM)


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ORIGINAL: ashjor911

You want to know why this was covered up by media. I will give you one
How about that this man was violating the Human rights & violating the UN 36/55 rule on the National TV & radio, & nobody cares about it.
That actually in an international law, it was broken in Florida… who cares it’s just a book right?
What about the Law?
A man goes on the Media & does something he knows that is wrong & he does it anyway just because he can…& it’s the Land of the free…

The freedom stops when you attack others by it…
If he Claims to have the Message Of peace, & he does that act.... well that is not peace message does it?
That was a message of hate, I know Christians, I have lived with them, and I was medically treated by them, Monks, Sisters & blessed by Fathers.
& that hated Message was delivered successfully, thanks to the “Free Speech & Free Media”.

If it’s ok for the preacher to act that act & goes without punished, the people in the street will know now that it’s ok to attack Muslims in their street, because they will go without punishment as well.

PS: To be a Muslim, a true or good Muslim, you have to believe & respect all of the “heavens books” or the “Holy Bible & the Torah or even The Psalms”.




kissheels -> RE: Why is the Quran Buring News? (4/5/2011 1:46:34 PM)


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ORIGINAL: ashjor911


quote:

ORIGINAL: kissheels

islam=terrorism, plain and simple, trying to tell me if some imaan tells his 'flock' to go blow themselfs up and take 100s if not 1000s of inocent lives, they wont obey????


Oh My dear,
before you talk about Islam, learn about Islam, Know it.
Then you can say whatever the Hell you want. dont reflect any act that Muslims FORBID on Islam.
It reflects On the Person.



Ill say what ever the hell I want!!!!

I live in a Free Country where inocent people dont get slaughtered for being 'infidels'.... where women dont get stoned for wearing pants or drinking a beer!!!



hlen5 -> RE: Why is the Quran Buring News? (4/5/2011 1:52:15 PM)

He broke no US law by burning the Koran. Was it right? Not just no, but Hell no!!

It's not up to me to judge his faith, but I think he is misguided at best. I would hate to think he would deliberately cause such discord. If so, he is beneath contempt.



ashjor911 -> RE: Why is the Quran Buring News? (4/5/2011 1:55:29 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Kirata
Metaphors are wonderful things, but misusing them doesn't further intelligent discussion. Jones was attacking beliefs, not people. He burned a book, not a person.


so If I travelled to DC & piss all over the Declaration of Independence that would be ok right?


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I don't think we have any business in Afghanistan, but our being there doesn't abrogate someone's Constitutional rights in Florida.


how about dumping the US nuclear waste into Afghanistan. did you heard about the 7 ton bomb made by the US, & dump into the desert?
Constitutional rights.... please give me a break!



slvemike4u -> RE: Why is the Quran Buring News? (4/5/2011 1:57:03 PM)

The facts do sort of speak for themselves though,as does his stated intention to replicate the odious feat...so in that light I think the qualifier is not necessary....he IS beneath contempt!



Lucylastic -> RE: Why is the Quran Buring News? (4/5/2011 2:06:21 PM)

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ORIGINAL: kissheels


quote:

ORIGINAL: ashjor911


quote:

ORIGINAL: kissheels

islam=terrorism, plain and simple, trying to tell me if some imaan tells his 'flock' to go blow themselfs up and take 100s if not 1000s of inocent lives, they wont obey????


Oh My dear,
before you talk about Islam, learn about Islam, Know it.
Then you can say whatever the Hell you want. dont reflect any act that Muslims FORBID on Islam.
It reflects On the Person.



Ill say what ever the hell I want!!!!

I live in a Free Country where inocent people dont get slaughtered for being 'infidels'.... where women dont get stoned for wearing pants or drinking a beer!!!

You live in a country that has restrictions on hate speech, you also live in a country where the indiginous population has been decimated, mistreated and pissed on because of religion, since the white man turned up.
Innocent people get slaughtered for a pair of running shoes or because someone wants your car, or drugs, and even dumber reasons. Civilisation is far from being "Civilised"
We are just as fucked as anyone, you just cannot see past your own prejudice..



Kirata -> RE: Why is the Quran Buring News? (4/5/2011 2:07:24 PM)


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ORIGINAL: ashjor911

so If I travelled to DC & piss all over the Declaration of Independence that would be ok right?

Well the original is under glass. But if you want to buy a copy and piss on it, knock yer socks off.

Hell, you might even be able to put it in a jar of urine and get it displayed at the Met. [:D]

K.




ashjor911 -> RE: Why is the Quran Buring News? (4/5/2011 2:39:52 PM)


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ORIGINAL: hlen5
He broke no US law


US law & the UN law
well you got that right he did not broke any US law
but Ghaddafi did not either not the US law or the lybian law for that matter
he was the one who did rote the lybian law... but that is not what we are talking about.

If some one gose into a church & steel from there one book just one book. is that stealing or not?
did he broke the US law by pissing in the church hall?



ashjor911 -> RE: Why is the Quran Buring News? (4/5/2011 2:45:46 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Kirata


quote:

ORIGINAL: ashjor911

so If I travelled to DC & piss all over the Declaration of Independence that would be ok right?

Well the original is under glass. But if you want to buy a copy and piss on it, knock yer socks off.

Hell, you might even be able to put it in a jar of urine and get it displayed at the Met. [:D]

K.


you got the part you wanted & left the other part,
did you heard about the 7 ton bomb made by the US, & dump into the desert? or you did not?
What about the rights of the people of Afghanistan?
dose they have the right to live free without the US - NATO accupation?
What about Iraq?



Kirata -> RE: Why is the Quran Buring News? (4/5/2011 2:51:41 PM)


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ORIGINAL: ashjor911

you got the part you wanted & left the other part ...What about the rights of the people of Afghanistan? ...What about Iraq?

I'm trying to stay on topic. But since you mention it, maybe you need to pay better attention:

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ORIGINAL: Kirata

I don't think we have any business in Afghanistan...

Or Iraq either. Happy?

K.



ashjor911 -> RE: Why is the Quran Buring News? (4/5/2011 2:55:39 PM)

I drink beer why am I not stoned yet?
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Ill say what ever the hell I want!!!!

I live in a Free Country where inocent people dont get slaughtered for being 'infidels'.... where women dont get stoned for wearing pants or drinking a beer!!!


I agree
there is no need to get angery when you dont know the meaning of freedom of speach!



rockspider -> RE: Why is the Quran Buring News? (4/5/2011 3:02:38 PM)

I certainly can’t take anybody´s protest over burning some stupid book seriously, when the same people didn´t even murmur when those Islamic nutcases in Afghanistan destroyed some world heritage statues because they were non Islamic.
To ashjor911: What I can´t understand is why you as a devout Muslim wants to live in a non Muslim country as Germany? There, as in any other free western democratic society, is the rule “freedom of speech”. Not the kind of sick, oppressive fundamentalist society, as you obviously advocate, we must have here. If it was up to me we did remove the freedom of religion clause in our constitution and replaced it with a clause which stated that any fundamentalist religion be banned to practice outright, which obviously would include Islam and a few sectarian Christian sects as well.
The number of terrorist act carried out all over the world by Muslims, and the oppression of other religions as is happening in the Muslim countries, puts Islam in the same category as Nazism and the so called “Khalifat” comparable to “The Third Reich” and might be even worse than that. We don´t even have to go further than Iran’s president Ahmadinjadat uttering’s on the state of Israel and the Jews to qualify that.



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