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RE: Republicans for death panels? WTF??? - 4/5/2011 6:01:19 PM   
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Ok for those of you who have no clue what it is to have a child with serious medical condition...this is how the system works.  If you have insurance you pay for your medical care until you reach your cap and then guess what the government steps in and pays the rest of it.  Now you might have to get divorced and live in poverty to qualify for medicare but your kid isn't going to die.  My child has had 50 operations, in places like China to this day children born with his birth defect are put in orphanages and left to die.  Here in the United States he got the best care possible and while he is still disabled he is thriving and contributing to society. 
No politician of any party is going to be for killing sick kids, that just simple beat the drums silliness.  My husband and I were broke with great health insurance, we lost our home, with great health insurance, our car, with great health insurance, our middle class life, with great health insurance and eventually he lost his job, with great health insurance.  We filed for divorce, we filed for bankruptcy and not once did my child get turned down for the life saving care he needed.  That is not going to change.
What needs to change is the way they do business.  Don't wait until families have lost everything and can no longer contribute to their local economy or pay taxes before you help catastrophic illness cases.  Instead when a child is born with such a condition make medicaid mandatory for them but require them to keep a job and health care.  As it is now, the government expects you to lose it all and then they will step in and carry the load.  Only problem there is that they force entire families to live on the system until their child reaches the age of 18.  At which point the child gets the help and the family can return to being productive members of society.  If families recieved medicaid to cover what insurance does not they could continue to pay their taxes and be contributors.  As it is now the government pays much more because they not only pay for the child they pay for the entire family.  They pay for the bankruptcy, the food stamps, the SSI, the medicaid and more.  If the government allowed families to maintain a middle class life and still receive medicaid the cost would be reduced dramatically.  The family would pay for itself, and the medical bills would not drown them to the point of becoming and entire family on the public dole.
All the bleeding heart liberals have no idea what it is like to be forced to live in poverty in order for your child to receive medical care...I for one have resented it greatly.  I would rather work, pay bills, pay taxes, and help my local economy. 

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RE: Republicans for death panels? WTF??? - 4/5/2011 6:03:10 PM   
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stick to the topic which is death panels by the repubs....
start another topic, this one is about cuts that will impact the lives and well being of the already sick and under employed more than it will any middle class bagger, but theres no screams of death panels from you, because the cuts wont hurt you




That's the republican party in a nutshell for you. Selfish cowards. All they care about is themselves, and they live in constant fear that someone, somewhere, may want something they think they're entitled to. That's their entire philosophy in one sentence.

Despicable. Despicable, pathetic excuses for human beings, all of them.



That's right, we just don't give a shit about anyone else. Of course it also follows that we probably won't care that you feel that way either. Feel better now


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RE: Republicans for death panels? WTF??? - 4/5/2011 6:14:55 PM   
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<snip>All the bleeding heart liberals have no idea what it is like to be forced to live in poverty in order for your child to receive medical care...I for one have resented it greatly.  I would rather work, pay bills, pay taxes, and help my local economy.  <snip>

how the hell do you know what "all bleeding heart liberals" have been thru
thats reaching and then some,




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RE: Republicans for death panels? WTF??? - 4/5/2011 6:21:52 PM   
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While its admittedly a lot of fun to see you bursting into flames like this panda, it would be even better if you could debate the topic more rationally.

(Hint - I am not the topic ).

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What subject is that? That's the whole point - any time you post in a thread, the subject immediately becomes whatever the heck you happen to be terrified of that day, because that's all you ever want to rant about. This thread, for example - it's about republicans pulling the plug on people's grandmothers (which, if I recall correctly, supposedly horrifies you), but you didn't want to talk about that, so now you're screeching about socialism and chinamen, because those are two subjects that scare the piss out of you.

How pathetic. "Personal attack, personal attack!! They're being mean to me!!!" You're like a broken record. I've never seen such a crybaby in my life. Grow the fuck up, eh?



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RE: Republicans for death panels? WTF??? - 4/5/2011 6:44:20 PM   
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There is no money. What are we going to do?




bail out the banks!
buy gm

hows that for starters.

whats our first clue?


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RE: Republicans for death panels? WTF??? - 4/5/2011 6:51:44 PM   
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Panda,I have to wonder if his saneness has these rants in a sort of form letter format...yanno ,where he just inserts the name of the particular libtard he is currently engaging ?


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RE: Republicans for death panels? WTF??? - 4/5/2011 7:01:16 PM   
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Im still in favor of asking our "allies" to shoulder more of the world cop load.

That would be nice, wouldnt it?

And maybe tie some politicians' hands, so they cant use our tax dollars and our childrens and grandchildrens tax dollars to buy themselves elections in perpetuity

Nor print so many dollars towards that end that all our dollars become even more worthless than they already are

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There is no money. What are we going to do?




bail out the banks!
buy gm

hows that for starters.

whats our first clue?



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RE: Republicans for death panels? WTF??? - 4/5/2011 7:07:58 PM   
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All the bleeding heart liberals have no idea what it is like to be forced to live in poverty in order for your child to receive medical care...I for one have resented it greatly. I would rather work, pay bills, pay taxes, and help my local economy


Many would rather work and pay their taxes. Many with disabled children arent allowed. And, please, dont assume you know or understand what my bleeding heart has been through.

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No politician of any party is going to be for killing sick kids, that just simple beat the drums silliness. My husband and I were broke with great health insurance, we lost our home, with great health insurance, our car, with great health insurance, our middle class life, with great health insurance and eventually he lost his job, with great health insurance. We filed for divorce, we filed for bankruptcy and not once did my child get turned down for the life saving care he needed. That is not going to change.


http://thinkprogress.org/2011/01/07/another-arizonan-dies-brewer/

These arent children... yet.

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RE: Republicans for death panels? WTF??? - 4/5/2011 7:10:54 PM   
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THIS is whats wrong with ENTITLEMENTS.

The Chinese are building a massive fucking war machine for god knows what purpose, the United States is totally broke, beyond broke, but if we need to make the slightest cut to these ever ballooning entitlement programs its equated with taking a knife to the throat of children.

If we go broke faster I am sure we could save even more children, up until the point that we are no more. After that though?


First, I never said cuts werent needed. I said the cuts were targeting women and children, the poor and elderly, while giving more and more to Defence which has been known for a long, long time as a entity with massive wasteful spending.

You do NOT cut from women, children, poor and the elderly while GIVING to the military 8x's more than you cut!

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RE: Republicans for death panels? WTF??? - 4/5/2011 7:12:41 PM   
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And actually, it is the leftist who is most cruel towards those he showers with government freebies, as cultivating dependence on handouts among human beings is just as much a death sentence as is cultivating dependence among any other animal group on handouts.

The best social programs are jobs, freedom and opportunity - things socialism immediately strips from humanity.



You consider jobs, not "government freebies" the best social programs for Americans in their 80's and 90's? Apparently you didn't read my post concerning this issue so I will say it again. MEDICARE IS HEALTH INSURANCE FOR RETIRED PEOPLE. MEDICAID, NOT MEDICARE PAYS FOR NURSING HOMES. THIS MEANS THERE ARE A LOT OF RETIRED PEOPLE ON MEDICAID, NOT JUST PEOPLE ON WELFARE. Are you accusing retired elderly Americans, many who worked most of their lives, of being lazy freeloaders?


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RE: Republicans for death panels? WTF??? - 4/5/2011 7:14:26 PM   
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defiant, many people dont know what Medicaid is or isnt. Many here still believe if you are poor, you are eligible.

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RE: Republicans for death panels? WTF??? - 4/5/2011 7:16:51 PM   
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And actually, it is the leftist who is most cruel towards those he showers with government freebies, as cultivating dependence on handouts among human beings is just as much a death sentence as is cultivating dependence among any other animal group on handouts.

The best social programs are jobs, freedom and opportunity - things socialism immediately strips from humanity.



You consider jobs, not "government freebies" the best social programs for Americans in their 80's and 90's? Apparently you didn't read my post concerning this issue so I will say it again. MEDICARE IS HEALTH INSURANCE FOR RETIRED PEOPLE. MEDICAID, NOT MEDICARE PAYS FOR NURSING HOMES. THIS MEANS THERE ARE A LOT OF RETIRED PEOPLE ON MEDICAID, NOT JUST PEOPLE ON WELFARE. Are you accusing retired elderly Americans, many who worked most of their lives, of being lazy freeloaders?



So you are saying that if someone is on medicare and they need to go into a nursing home, they are switched over to medicaid? That sounds a bit odd.


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RE: Republicans for death panels? WTF??? - 4/5/2011 7:23:52 PM   
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I hate to break this to some of the people on this board, but Medicaid AND Medicare are not the "great entitlement" that the Republicans are claiming it is.

I am disabled after working for 20+ years, AND not putting in for disability when I first injured my back, which a doctor advised I should do. Instead I went through physical and pain management therapy and went back to work.

It finally reached the point were I was having spasms in my back that caused my legs to go numb. My employers health insurance "called it a pre-existing condition" and refused to cover ANY treatment.

Since I have been on disability, and on medicare, I have found that the following apply, 1) there are no local doctors want to take medicare patients with out a supplement plan, and 2) the only medicare supplement plan that will take me is $300 a month, which I cant afford.


Pre existing conditions make getting a supplement policy expensive, so it leaves me a choice, have a decent place to live and good food on the table, or get the insurance. Actually the choice is LOSE my house because I cant afford the mortgage payment, and all the equity that I have put into it, then get more insurance.

So, the question I have to ask the conservatives and republicans on this board, what do you suggest the people who are on disability, trying to get by on a fixed income do?

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RE: Republicans for death panels? WTF??? - 4/5/2011 7:35:12 PM   
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Ok for those of you who have no clue what it is to have a child with serious medical condition...this is how the system works.  If you have insurance you pay for your medical care until you reach your cap and then guess what the government steps in and pays the rest of it.  Now you might have to get divorced and live in poverty to qualify for medicare but your kid isn't going to die.  My child has had 50 operations, in places like China to this day children born with his birth defect are put in orphanages and left to die.  Here in the United States he got the best care possible and while he is still disabled he is thriving and contributing to society. 
No politician of any party is going to be for killing sick kids, that just simple beat the drums silliness.  My husband and I were broke with great health insurance, we lost our home, with great health insurance, our car, with great health insurance, our middle class life, with great health insurance and eventually he lost his job, with great health insurance.  We filed for divorce, we filed for bankruptcy and not once did my child get turned down for the life saving care he needed.  That is not going to change.
What needs to change is the way they do business.  Don't wait until families have lost everything and can no longer contribute to their local economy or pay taxes before you help catastrophic illness cases.  Instead when a child is born with such a condition make medicaid mandatory for them but require them to keep a job and health care.  As it is now, the government expects you to lose it all and then they will step in and carry the load.  Only problem there is that they force entire families to live on the system until their child reaches the age of 18.  At which point the child gets the help and the family can return to being productive members of society.  If families recieved medicaid to cover what insurance does not they could continue to pay their taxes and be contributors.  As it is now the government pays much more because they not only pay for the child they pay for the entire family.  They pay for the bankruptcy, the food stamps, the SSI, the medicaid and more.  If the government allowed families to maintain a middle class life and still receive medicaid the cost would be reduced dramatically.  The family would pay for itself, and the medical bills would not drown them to the point of becoming and entire family on the public dole.
All the bleeding heart liberals have no idea what it is like to be forced to live in poverty in order for your child to receive medical care...I for one have resented it greatly.  I would rather work, pay bills, pay taxes, and help my local economy. 



If no politician of any party is for killing sick kids, why does the republican party want spending caps on medicaid? As for the rest of your post, I agree that it makes no sense for the government to require divorce and a family to lose everything to qualify for medicaid. Your experience is a perfect example of why the US needs single-payer health care.


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RE: Republicans for death panels? WTF??? - 4/5/2011 7:47:59 PM   
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So you are saying that if someone is on medicare and they need to go into a nursing home, they are switched over to medicaid? That sounds a bit odd.



That is exactly what I'm saying. Medicare only pays for a temporary nursing home stay. Medicaid pays for long term care in nursing homes, not medicare. You're welcome to look it up yourself if you don't believe me.


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RE: Republicans for death panels? WTF??? - 4/5/2011 7:57:03 PM   
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Republicans arent the problem. There is only so much money, regardless of who is in charge. Because there are limited resources, which is just a fact of life, spending caps have always been in place and they always will be. Thats the case in Canada, in Cuba, in Germany and in Britain...

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If no politician of any party is for killing sick kids, why does the republican party want spending caps on medicaid? As for the rest of your post, I agree that it makes no sense for the government to require divorce and a family to lose everything to qualify for medicaid. Your experience is a perfect example of why the US needs single-payer health care.



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RE: Republicans for death panels? WTF??? - 4/5/2011 8:01:33 PM   
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I posted this in another thread (in reply to another person) but it is remarkably appropriate here, as well -

What the real shame is, certain people here can only make ad hominem attacks or otherwise attempt to belittle others, as they seem totally incapable of logically addressing the subject of any given thread or post.


Yup.  Us Dims and Libtards are ebil ebil people.

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RE: Republicans for death panels? WTF??? - 4/5/2011 8:25:58 PM   
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Would you rather be called a dim libtard, or a repuke rethug neocon warmongering baby killing granny basher who hates the environment, black people, gays, veterans, as well as science, Muslims, and the handicapped... 

And pray tell me how, for the love of god, I forgot to mention your love of these petty and mindless derails over substantive discussion in addition to your constant ad hominems and personal attacks etc

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ORIGINAL: Sanity
I posted this in another thread (in reply to another person) but it is remarkably appropriate here, as well -

What the real shame is, certain people here can only make ad hominem attacks or otherwise attempt to belittle others, as they seem totally incapable of logically addressing the subject of any given thread or post.


Yup.  Us Dims and Libtards are ebil ebil people.



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RE: Republicans for death panels? WTF??? - 4/5/2011 8:30:07 PM   
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What the hell is wrong with cutting defense spending by half? We still will be out spending everyone else, AND it would help balance the budget.

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RE: Republicans for death panels? WTF??? - 4/5/2011 8:33:18 PM   
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Republicans for death panels: right-wing people think it's funny when people die. Especially when it makes them money.



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