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Aneirin -> How to Steal Like an Artist (4/8/2011 5:50:24 AM)

Wake Up if you are not already awake and learn how to Steal Like An Artist



JstAnotherSub -> RE: How to Steal Like an Artist (4/8/2011 6:30:55 AM)

That was an awesome read and I don't have a bit of artist in me.



Aneirin -> RE: How to Steal Like an Artist (4/8/2011 6:37:28 AM)

Aw, you do yourself a disservice, everyone has the artist in them.



needlesandpins -> RE: How to Steal Like an Artist (4/8/2011 10:29:58 AM)

fr

sorry, i'm an artist and i got bored a couple of scrolls down. i paint what i like or what someone pays me to paint, if i'm lucky i'm getting paid to paint what i like. i don't steal anything as that is a breach of copyright and costs a shed load if caught. simples.

needles



angelikaJ -> RE: How to Steal Like an Artist (4/8/2011 11:00:18 AM)

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ORIGINAL: JstAnotherSub

I don't have a bit of artist in me.


I always believed that too.

I just knew "I could not do art".

And then one day I just kind of listened to a niggling little questions in my ear:
"Well, why not? Why can't you do art?"

And I bought some paper and brushes and paints and other things as well... and well decided to just play.

And found out I liked it.

It doesn't matter really if no one else ever likes it: I do.

These mad and wild experiments with medium, color and textures.

The very best part?
I don't know any of the rules so it is impossible to screw them up![:)]

edit:typo and clarity



angelikaJ -> RE: How to Steal Like an Artist (4/8/2011 11:01:22 AM)

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stellauk -> RE: How to Steal Like an Artist (4/8/2011 11:27:12 AM)

Brilliant. What a wonderful message to send out to people. As if it isn't hard enough already to have your creativity appreciated and valued by others and to gain some sort of recognition for your ideas.

Believe it or not some of my best ideas come to me in my sleep, in my dreams, and I can spend literally months, even years, just thinking about an idea before trying to develop it. Every single one of my plays is different, individual and unique in some way and I am the antithesis to much of what is shown in the link.

I'm going to vector what is in the link by mentioning artistic integrity, something which separates the committed artists and creatives from the 'producers' and those who develop one set of techniques and skills and simply change the content and nothing more. This applies to writers, playwrights, artists, photographers, musicians, poets, actors, anyone who is creative.

I am influenced by others, inspired by others, but I don't steal and to be quite honest I haven't met many people who do. Where there is more than a faint similarity I would rather bin that what I have created than develop it further. It's not me.



Aneirin -> RE: How to Steal Like an Artist (4/8/2011 12:02:05 PM)

At my art college, they screw us for plagiarism but then say everything has been done already, so if that is to be believed, then every bit of art is plagiarism, for it seems everyone must have an influence from somewhere that can be identified as if it is all that important. But I am slowly withdrawing from Art college and the reason for that, is the commercialisation of art and the elitism that comes with it, for it seems everything has to be saleable and critiquable for it to be art, when to me art literally is human interpretation of whatever that interests them, a thought a feeling an experience turned into tangible form, an artifact. But what does one expect with educational businesses these days, businesses yes, for they ceased to be learning establishments when they adopted a corporate identity.



NorthernGent -> RE: How to Steal Like an Artist (4/8/2011 12:06:29 PM)


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ORIGINAL: stellauk

Brilliant. What a wonderful message to send out to people. As if it isn't hard enough already to have your creativity appreciated and valued by others and to gain some sort of recognition for your ideas.

Believe it or not some of my best ideas come to me in my sleep, in my dreams, and I can spend literally months, even years, just thinking about an idea before trying to develop it. Every single one of my plays is different, individual and unique in some way and I am the antithesis to much of what is shown in the link.

I'm going to vector what is in the link by mentioning artistic integrity, something which separates the committed artists and creatives from the 'producers' and those who develop one set of techniques and skills and simply change the content and nothing more. This applies to writers, playwrights, artists, photographers, musicians, poets, actors, anyone who is creative.

I am influenced by others, inspired by others, but I don't steal and to be quite honest I haven't met many people who do. Where there is more than a faint similarity I would rather bin that what I have created than develop it further. It's not me.




There are a lot of people who steal because not everyone can be original, independent and/or simply enjoy the pleasure of negotiating a theoretical quandry in their own mind/s. Like you, though, a life without originality is a malnourished life.



Termyn8or -> RE: How to Steal Like an Artist (4/8/2011 3:40:35 PM)

FR

Is the focus on the fuzziness of originality ? Let's say you find "A" Mona Lisa at an estate sale. Maybe it's ten or twenty grand. You know it's not "THE" Mona Lisa, but you like the thing. Is the person who did it an artist or just a painter ? Perhaps an artist who can mimic the style well enough to pay the bills ? But something like that is not presented as original. But what of the original ? Was the art contained in the subject and merely brought out by the original artist ? Then if so one who copies would be producing original copies right ? Or wrong ?

Then is the original art actually a copy of reality in that case ?

Something else occurs to me - music. The dastardly downloader here may be considered a thief but, really it is more of an exploration. Many times I thought the song I knew was the original, after all the artist died before I was even born. Time and time again I find it was a copy, perhaps from one who was dead when the artists I thought was the creator of the piece was actually born.

Literary works bring on a whole new dimension. If I write a book and use some common words like "I love you", it's obviously not an original saying. But it is not considered plageurism. But what is ?

Roses are red,
Violets are blue,
I made up some words,
And you can too.

This was started as an ethnic joke but it doesn't have to be. A guy is all beat up - the reason ? He wrote his girl a poem trying to be romantic :

Nappy hair nappy hair,
Eyes like a frog,
If I could roll you over,
I'd do you like a dog.

Now original or not, it was at some time.

This subject also penetrates quite deeply when it comes to patents. If you apply for a patent without doing a thorough search first you could get rejected on the basis of "prior ART". That means either someone is successfully marketing the idea or holds a valid patent on it (or possibly a pending application). However almost all inventions are just refinements of prior inventions. James Watt didn't invent the steam engine, he just improved it. In fact he wasn't even the first to do so. Does he deserve a patent ?

I think this is becoming and will become a bigger and bigger issue when it comes to all forms of intellectual property rights.

Must be a real bitch to think you actually created something and find it has been done before.

But then there are the words of a sculptor I once knew :

"As regards "A Matter Of Spirit", I think that this title closely
approximates the philosophy of all my work. That being that when one
sculpts one is trying to make matter into a representation of Spirit,
as an individualized work, through one's effort of Will directed by
one's Intellect. The value of a piece is to what degree that piece is able
to 'feel alive' to the viewer. In the hope that I have somewhat
achieved this, I bring my work to you; the Viewer. "

Those are not my words, (Norman Walrath) but might be worth a ponder.

T^T



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