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RE: Medical Marijuana - 4/15/2011 3:03:48 PM

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Maybe its my misperception, but I would think her Dom would prefer to take care of the health of his property before worrying about her focus. If her focus is on nausea or the inablility to eat, removing the one thing that makes those bareable would result in more of a shift of her focus than her using.

I am curious as to why the OP hasnt stated why she is prescribed though.

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RE: Medical Marijuana - 4/16/2011 1:25:04 PM

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I worry that marijuana may cause her to lose focus in her training.

I think you should educate yourself on the effects of taking medicine, particularly about medical marijuana. Read about the advantageous effects, short and long term, the negative effects, the law where you live, AND alternative methods of dealing with this particular illness.

I would also question any other medication prescribed. It is called making an informed decision, and in some cases, getting a second opinion.

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ORIGINAL: stclaircouple
How do you treat it, as medicine or as a reward?

I would treat it seriously. Being prescribed such medication means my partner has a serious condition.

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Should you withhold if they do not behave?

If they do not behave, I suspect in most cases the problem is caused by the relationship and not the medication.

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Is this too difficult a problem for the relationship?

For you, maybe... for me no. My man has been a medical marijuana taker for many years. His condition is chronic and will be with him for life. His dose is set so his symptoms are alleviated. The negative effect is increased pain if the dose is too high. Emphatically, he is not lacking in focus.

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RE: Medical Marijuana - 4/16/2011 4:45:43 PM

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FR:
According to the profile they live in Michigan.

http://www.michigan.gov/mdch/0,1607,7-132-27417_51869---,00.html

Question: What medical conditions are eligible?
Answer: Patients must suffer from a debilitating medical condition, defined as:
(a) cancer, glaucoma, or positive status for human immunodeficiency virus (HIV), acquired immune deficiency syndrome (AIDS), hepatitis C, amyotrophic lateral sclerosis, Crohn's disease, agitation of Alzheimer's disease, or nail patella.
(b) a chronic or debilitating disease or medical condition or its treatment that produces one of more of the following:
(i) cachexia or wasting syndrome;
(ii) severe and chronic pain;
(iii) severe nausea;
(iv) seizures, including but not limited to those caused by epilepsy; or
(v) severe or persistent muscle spasms, including but not limited to, those which are characteristic of multiple sclerosis; or
(c) any other medical condition or treatment for a medical condition adopted by the department by rule. (NOTE: To date, the department has not added to the list by administrative rule.)

It isn't as simple as getting a prescription and getting it filled.
The person has to fill out an application and get it approved by the state's Department of Community Health.

It seems to be a strictly grow your own situation once that is approved.

My response was a bit over the top.
However, the main point was that the OP did not really seem interested in the whole picture:
Why it was being prescribed and how witholding it might impact her quality of life; only how her use of it might impact her training.

It was perhaps the way the OP was phrased, that seemed to diminish his concern over her wellbeing.

I understand that he came here to gain better understanding but knowledge of her medical condition is best answered by her physician, who would also be the best person to address any questions he might have regarding side effects and how her particular condition impacts her life in general.

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RE: Medical Marijuana - 4/17/2011 5:39:43 AM

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Yes, California has a reputation for giving it to anyone who asks, although interestingly enough, I've never heard the statement from a person obtaining the prescription so I have reason to doubt the validity of the reputation.

I have type 2 diabetes and fibromyalgia. Many people believe type 2 can be managed simply by diet alone. Would you agree with some "dominant" who thought it was ok to withhold diabetes drugs because he wanted to manage his sub's diabetes by diet alone?

Many people still don't believe fibro is a real condition. Should a dom with this belief withhold fibro meds?

Anything other than a resounding "of course those meds should never be withheld" is idiotic.

Again, and as others have said, it would be nice if the OP came back and gave us some clarification. Given the number of people that jumped down his throat I doubt he will. Hopefully, our responses made him realize the error in his thinking.

For me, beyond the general stupidity of the idea, I see a young man woefully misinformed that because he is the "dominant" he can make those decisions.

Bitatrouble, I was quite surprised to see you echo that idea. Was it simply because it involved medical marijuana? Because realistically, no dom or master, unless they themselves are an MD specializing in their sub's condition should ever think their authority includes withholding prescribed medication.

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RE: Medical Marijuana - 4/17/2011 5:44:53 AM

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I have type 2 diabetes and fibromyalgia. Many people believe type 2 can be managed simply by diet alone. Would you agree with some "dominant" who thought it was ok to withhold diabetes drugs because he wanted to manage his sub's diabetes by diet alone?

Personally, as a type 2 diabetic, I would welcome my Master trying to manage my diabetes by diet alone, controlling my diet, mealtimes, etc, as long as the medication is there for when things do not go as well as is hoped. As long as He was concerned for my health, I think it would be great, and if He could wean me off the insulin, I would be thrilled... and rich!

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RE: Medical Marijuana - 4/17/2011 6:32:31 AM

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As a type 2 diabetic then I'm sure you realize how your desire isn't possible. You must get your blood sugar to manageable levels for a consistant period of time before trying to manage by diet alone. If your master were to take the course you describe, your health would be in serious danger.

According to most studies, type 2 diabetics will eventually require insulin for their condition, typically years down the road. My research indicates that prior to the time mentioned above, insulin is prescribed because other methods of management have failed, the patient themselves refuses to alter their lifestyle, and lastly (and sadly) for cost reasons. Insulin is cheaper than many medications. I take a combination of Metformin (glucophage) and Januvia. The Januvia costs about $250 a month, but thankfully is covered by insurance. My last A1C was 5.6 and I was regularly getting fasting levels of 86-98. Then I was hospitalized for other reasons for 2 weeks and it took me one week to get them to give me my proper diabetes meds. During that time they did have me on a diabetic diet but the numbers went up. It's been a month and I still haven't gotten them back where they were.

I don't mean to be rude, but managing your diabetes is your responsibility. Hopefully, your master is supportive. Certainly, he could develope a reward/punishment agenda regarding your eating and exercise habits, but using your insulin on a "just in case" basis during that time is a risk neither you or he should want to take.

My health is MY responsibility. Having a supportive significant other, family and friends is nice and helpful, but ultimately it's up to me. Anyone who thought they were going to take away my meds for any reason (other than my dr.) would suffer consequences of their own.

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RE: Medical Marijuana - 4/17/2011 6:35:29 AM

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"Medical" marijuana is the new wonder drug! It will cure EVERYTHING! WOO HOO! EVERYBODY HAS SOMETHING THAT NEEDS THIS! Headache, here's your marijuana. Feel sad? Yup, you get some too!

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RE: Medical Marijuana - 4/17/2011 6:39:33 AM

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"Medical" marijuana is the new wonder drug! It will cure EVERYTHING! WOO HOO! EVERYBODY HAS SOMETHING THAT NEEDS THIS! Headache, here's your marijuana. Feel sad? Yup, you get some too!

Charming.
If you'd like to post regarding the benefits of, or lack of benefits regarding medical marijuana please feel free to start a thread in the Politics and Religion section.

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RE: Medical Marijuana - 4/17/2011 6:40:40 AM

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Exactly where did I even imply that? Since you post was in response to me talking about diabetese medication you are out in left field.

If you just are replying to all who posted on this thread, where did THEY state or even imply such a thing? All your post says is that you are ignorant of the facts.

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RE: Medical Marijuana - 4/17/2011 6:54:13 AM

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Exactly where did I even imply that? Since you post was in response to me talking about diabetese medication you are out in left field.

If you just are replying to all who posted on this thread, where did THEY state or even imply such a thing? All your post says is that you are ignorant of the facts.

He's escaped from P&R and can safely be ignored.

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RE: Medical Marijuana - 4/17/2011 7:21:07 AM

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I would never hesitate giving my sub any other prescription medication that a doctor gives her, but I worry that marijuana may cause her to lose focus in her training. Anyone else in medical states come across this? How do you treat it, as medicine or as a reward? Should you with hold if they do not behave? Is this too difficult a problem for the relationship?

Of course MJ can make one lose focus. It's a known side effect. Many medications have much more serious side effects than lack of focus. The doctor and patient need to evaluate pros and cons. "Training" shouldn't enter into the equation.

If you'd posed the question, "My sub's doctor has prescribed a "Black Box" medication and I'm concerned about the side effects it's giving her" you would have received an entirely different reception.

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RE: Medical Marijuana - 4/17/2011 7:51:43 AM

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"Medical" marijuana is the new wonder drug! It will cure EVERYTHING! WOO HOO! EVERYBODY HAS SOMETHING THAT NEEDS THIS! Headache, here's your marijuana. Feel sad? Yup, you get some too!

Medical Marijuana has some valid uses. Just because you're so closed minded that there can't possibly mean there isn't a valid reason to use, doesn't mean they don't exist.

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RE: Medical Marijuana - 4/17/2011 10:08:21 AM

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I would never hesitate giving my sub any other prescription medication that a doctor gives her, but I worry that marijuana may cause her to lose focus in her training. Anyone else in medical states come across this? How do you treat it, as medicine or as a reward? Should you with hold if they do not behave? Is this too difficult a problem for the relationship?

Errrrr, don't know about anyone else, but where I live this could be considered a class-A felony. It's called practicing medicine w/o a license.
This is simple-if it's prescribed-don't fuck with it.
If its a real big big problem for you-walk.

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RE: Medical Marijuana - 4/17/2011 12:53:20 PM

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OP, if she is taking MEDICAL marijuana, there is a valid reason for it. It's used to treat certain specific healthcare problems. Would you withhold, say, prescribed diabetes or heart medication, or psychiatric meds for a diagnosed condition? It's very WRONG to withhold prescibed medication. That being said, isn't it still illegal according to the U.S. Feds unless it's Marinol tablets?

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RE: Medical Marijuana - 4/17/2011 1:35:46 PM

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It does break federal law.

There are 15 states that allow medical marijuana usage:
http://medicalmarijuana.procon.org/view.resource.php?resourceID=000881

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RE: Medical Marijuana - 4/17/2011 1:46:40 PM

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Bitatrouble, I was quite surprised to see you echo that idea. Was it simply because it involved medical marijuana?

No. I just hold the belief that if I am going to call myself a slave who is involved in tpe with Himself, then the total actually means *total* and that includes any medical issues as well. If he decides that withholding anything, medical or otherwise is *his* path, then it becomes *my choice* on whether or not to follow that path.. in anything. It doesn't matter if it's medical marijuana, cancer medication or going to the emergency room to treat a broken arm. TPE in our house is not selective.

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Because realistically, no dom or master, unless they themselves are an MD specializing in their sub's condition should ever think their authority includes withholding prescribed medication.

You are, of course, completely entitled to your opinion. Our dynamic, however, rolls a different way. Himself thinks he has total authority over all aspects he chooses to have authority over. From the trivial (haircuts and clothing choices) to the important (medical issues and voting for example.) That's how we do things in his house. How others do things in their own house is their business. I don't belief you will find any of my posts written in the 5 some odd years that I've been here on Collarme that will state any other view so I'm not sure why you are surprised. Being a glaucoma patient, I am certainly eligble for medical marijuana but if Himself said, no, you can't have it despite the fact you might blow an eye out because of the pressure, he has the authority to say that.. and I have the option of walking if I believe it to be unreasonable. He also has the option of kicking my ass to the curb if I don't obey for *any* reason but I'm amazing and Himself is not stupid, so for us, it really is a non-issue.

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RE: Medical Marijuana - 4/17/2011 3:48:13 PM

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AngelikJ,

Thanks for the link. I found NJ's info very amusing. It's medically legal but you can't grow your own or buy it anywhere and it won't be covered by Medicaid (which means insurance companies will follow their lead). Like saying, "we know it could help you, but we are still against it. So we will legalize it but make obtaining it as difficult as we can and make it financially prohibitive so you really won't be able to get the benefit of it."

I wasn't able to open the link on my phone though, so I guess I will have to wait until I go to the library for that information.

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RE: Medical Marijuana - 4/17/2011 3:51:42 PM

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AngelikJ,

Thanks for the link. I found NJ's info very amusing. It's medically legal but you can't grow your own or buy it anywhere and it won't be covered by Medicaid (which means insurance companies will follow their lead). Like saying, "we know it could help you, but we are still against it. So we will legalize it but make obtaining it as difficult as we can and make it financially prohibitive so you really won't be able to get the benefit of it."

I wasn't able to open the link on my phone though, so I guess I will have to wait until I go to the library for that information.

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RE: Medical Marijuana - 4/27/2011 5:28:43 AM

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Thanks everybody for the input. I feel a little offended my some of the comparisons people made; the health and well being (mentally and physically) of those under my protection is always my number one priority. I guess I should have been more clear about the situation. I am not anti-medical marijuana, I am not even against limited recreational use, but in Michigan, some 'doctors' will go as far as to "prescribe" MJ over the phone, in electronic repair shops, and other unsavory venues. Her personal doctor is not even aware of the mj. They allow you to grow it yourself or appoint someone to do that for you. Without going into too much medical details, she can not even really explain why she is on it, yet why she needs it. I was not trying to get into philosophical debate on if it has a medical use, in our case I feel it is not a long-term treatment for chronic anything. Though she uses excuses widely, I got a headache, I stubbed my toe, I did not sleep well last night... For five years she almost never used, now passed legalization and her card and it sometimes seems she just wants to get stoned all the time. If she was on prescription opiates and was taking more the prescribed or even enough to hurt her it would be easy to step in and say no and take her to rehab. I am not sure if it is something I should regulate, stop or let her have as much as she can handle. If I did regulate it, has anybody found a way to balance all of these concerns?

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RE: Medical Marijuana - 4/27/2011 5:36:38 AM

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