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RE: U.S. Act of 1871 ? - 4/15/2011 7:46:15 PM   
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and that moneyshould but wouldnt be refunded to the cits! LOL


Is everything funny to you?

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RE: U.S. Act of 1871 ? - 4/15/2011 7:47:27 PM   
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The GE corporate charter should be pulled, along with JPM, GS, Bank of America, and BP.


Ok, explain why each should have their charters pulled.

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RE: U.S. Act of 1871 ? - 4/15/2011 8:02:06 PM   
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The GE corporate charter should be pulled, along with JPM, GS, Bank of America, and BP.


Ok, explain why each should have their charters pulled.



"Things" do not- and can never have rights...and certainly not unalienable rights given to us by our creator. 

For the sake of argument-  BP- ruined the gulf- pull their charter.   Easy-  they have not served the public good.

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RE: U.S. Act of 1871 ? - 4/15/2011 8:06:26 PM   
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and that moneyshould but wouldnt be refunded to the cits! LOL


Is everything funny to you?


yeh because I know that no one here knows what a cit is but me and I think that funny.

secondly I think its funny that if people ever stand up and bust them down to the panties that they will pilfer well over 110 trillion off book money out of this country before any of you can do anything to stop it 

funny in a sad way....


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RE: U.S. Act of 1871 ? - 4/15/2011 8:09:54 PM   
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cit = citizen.      (wild guess)

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RE: U.S. Act of 1871 ? - 4/15/2011 8:22:29 PM   
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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

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The GE corporate charter should be pulled, along with JPM, GS, Bank of America, and BP.


Ok, explain why each should have their charters pulled.



"Things" do not- and can never have rights...and certainly not unalienable rights given to us by our creator. 

For the sake of argument-  BP- ruined the gulf- pull their charter.   Easy-  they have not served the public good.




yeh but leave it to some ASSHOLE "king" to come up with the word "TRANSMUTATION" to give "dead" entities the rights of the living!  (at least if you are in the monarchy!)  fuck everyone else in the world.  They are cits

They always come up with some line of BULLSHIT name or definition change to immunize themselves and fuck us. 

Its a simple matter proven over and over time and time again throughout history.

Its just like these idiots who use hitlers words annihilate to prove the holocaust when over the years annihilate has been changed to mean mass killing when the original meaning was "political out-lawery" which is the equivalent to out-cast.

sucks when these old original dictionaries come to the surface and fucks up the "modern" aggregations of bullshit people come up with to push agendas.   LOL

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cit = citizen.      (wild guess)


yeh thats part of it LOL


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RE: U.S. Act of 1871 ? - 4/15/2011 8:56:14 PM   
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http://www.zerohedge.com/article/guest-post-heres-setup-con-decade

In essence, the financial Elites would own the revenue stream of the Federal government and its taxpayers. Neat con, and the marks will never understand how "saving our financial system" led to their servitude to the very interests they bailed out.

The circle is now complete: in "saving our financial system," the public borrowed trillions and transferred the money to private Power Elites, who then buy the public debt with the money swindled out of the taxpayer. Then the taxpayers transfer more wealth every year to the Power Elites/Plutocracy in the form of interest on the Treasury debt. The Power Elites will own the debt that was taken on to bail them out of bad private bets: this is the culmination of privatized gains, socialized risk.

In effect, it's a Third World/colonial scam on a gigantic scale: plunder the public treasury, then buy the debt which was borrowed and transferred to your pockets. You are buying the country with money you borrowed from its taxpayers. No despot could do better.

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RE: U.S. Act of 1871 ? - 4/15/2011 9:21:23 PM   
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ORIGINAL: pahunkboy

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

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The GE corporate charter should be pulled, along with JPM, GS, Bank of America, and BP.


Ok, explain why each should have their charters pulled.



"Things" do not- and can never have rights...and certainly not unalienable rights given to us by our creator. 

For the sake of argument-  BP- ruined the gulf- pull their charter.   Easy-  they have not served the public good.



BP did? The corporation? Or the ones running the corporation?

There are alot of good people who work for those companies. I agree, take the top men, and women, out. But closing the corporate doors serves no good.

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RE: U.S. Act of 1871 ? - 4/15/2011 9:26:38 PM   
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whats wrong with shutting them down

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RE: U.S. Act of 1871 ? - 4/15/2011 9:33:23 PM   
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funny in a sad way....


Arrogance is not an endearing trait.

Annihilate Meaning and Definition from Webster's Revised Unabridged Dictionary (1913)

Annihilate \An*ni"hi*late\, v. t. [imp. & p. p. Annihilated; p. pr. & vb. n. Annihilating.] [L. annihilare; ad + nihilum, nihil, nothing, ne hilum (filum) not a thread, nothing at all. Cf. File, a row.]
1.To reduce to nothing or nonexistence; to destroy the existence of; to cause to cease to be. It impossible for any body to be utterly annihilated. --Bacon.
2.To destroy the form or peculiar distinctive properties of, so that the specific thing no longer exists; as, to annihilate a forest by cutting down the trees. ``To annihilate the army.'' --Macaulay.
3.To destroy or eradicate, as a property or attribute of a thing; to make of no effect; to destroy the force, etc., of; as, to annihilate an argument, law, rights, goodness
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http://www.dictionary30.com/meaning/Annihilate

Origin:
1350–1400; Middle English adnichilat ( e ) destroyed < Late Latin annihilātus brought to nothing, annihilated (past participle of annihilāre ) ( Latin an- an-2 + nihil nothing + -ātus -ate1 )

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/annihilate

Interesting the word had its creation centuries before Hitler but meant the same thing as it does today.

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RE: U.S. Act of 1871 ? - 4/15/2011 9:35:04 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Real0ne

whats wrong with shutting them down


Whats wrong with keeping them running until a buyer steps in? Its happened before. The company did nothing wrong. Those who run those companies did. Arrest the leaders, let the market take care of the rest.

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RE: U.S. Act of 1871 ? - 4/16/2011 5:52:29 AM   
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Taz, sorry about these guys, they need about five years to learn.

Your original question was unanswered because the all have different colored glasses, mine are not tinted.

What does the act of incorporation do ? First of all it differs from a sole proprietorship or a privately owned corporation in the fact that any liability incurred by the corporation does not subrogate the assets of it's officers, shareholders or employees. The company can be gillions in debt and everyone's houses, yachts, islands and cars are not subject to forfeiture and disbursement in the case of a bankrupcy or any other liability incurred, such as what happened to us in the gulf by the actions of BP, or what the people of India suffered by the actions of Union Carbide decades ago. While the company might have been sued out of existence, all that happens to the people responsible is that their paychecks are no longer any good and their stock is worthless.

In a sole proprietorship which is a stupid way to run a business in the US these days, if you own a corner store worth a hundred grand and someone gets hurt there and wins a million dollar lawsuit, it is against YOU, as the owner. Your personal property is at risk. In business it is referred to as a corporate shell, but it is a bit more.

To defy tort law that way, incorporating essentially sets up the company as an entity. This does not refer to anything recent, this is the basis of it. The recent supreme court ruling that a corporation has rights was not a giant leap. For a very long time, many business owners felt responsible enough to operate without the corporate shell, but our litagious society has hampered that ideal. This is why many things have happened, a subject for another time.

The fact is that when that plant blew up in India, Union Carbide might have been sued out of existence, if the law and the whim of governments allowed it. Their officers and shareholders would not be liable for a dime. Nobody would come and sue them, force them into personal bankrupcy or anything of the sort because of the corporate shell. In a way you could call it a shell game.

The largest corporations in the US are usually C corporations, which is fully incorported. Corp is the root of the word corpse. In other words they have allowed themselves to be eaten. A strange metaphor but if studied is applicable. They have become a part of something bigger, like the minnow eaten by the carp. Their "people" are personally completely indemnified from loss, unless they lie or commit something very greivous that would be prosecutable on a personal level. This rarely happens, so the corporation can operate in an amoral or even immoral fashion without this encumberance.

Smaller corporations can be either small S or large S. These options allow some immunity for would be sole proprietors. The small S offer the least indemnity, but the greatest freedom from certain types of scrutiny. For example a small S cna have some employees off the books, and a few other things. A C corporation would never consider it for reasons more than possble problems with the government. C is better for large companies. That is because their pockets are so deep and they are prone to getting sued.

Many bar, tavern and resaurant owners run in small S because it is impossible to make any money otherwise. There is no expected ISO compliance, nor do they have OSHA breathing down their necks all the time. They are small fries in the government's eyes. They are generally left alone as long as they pay their taxes. One lawsuit could end the business, but the house is safe, the car is safe, the money in the personal account is safe.

One of the most popular tactics in the US over the years was to incorporate in Delaware. Back in the 1970s it only took $500 capitalisation and a filing fee. Some people actually incorporated themselves ! I don't see the advantage but they did. One would have to know every law about it to be able to say if they did the right thing for themselves or not. Some corporations are formed by people who own several small businesses. Each one is then a subsidiary. They share one corporate shell.

Corporations in a way are technically conspiracies. They produce something to punish, in case shit. Very rarely does anyone lose their house or do any time. This only happens when they don't follow the rules of incorporation. Those rules are a constant subject of study for lawyers, not me.

The requirements to incorporate are very easy to follow in the first place, but there is a cost. That is another subject for lawyers. Every day actually. These rules differ from those imposed on individuals. When you incorporate, you form an identity. It is separate from yourself.

Most governments are incorporated. In fact you drive down the interstates in this country for example it does not say "welcome to Cleveland", it says "CLEVELAND CORP. LIMIT". You can see it for yourself. Why does a government have to incorporate ? That is another subject.

But to incorporate in a way is to allow your firm to be absorbed. It is now separate from you and contrary to popular belief, in essence the government owns all corporations. That is not so plain to see, but true nonetheless.

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RE: U.S. Act of 1871 ? - 4/16/2011 6:53:40 AM   
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^  bravo!  

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