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HannahLynHeather -> RE: "A woman has the right to do what she wants with her own body" (4/16/2011 9:55:49 PM)
quote: It is all well and good to advocate for personal freedoms....and I would join you in that,but there is a line in the sand where society,if it intends to remain cohesive and functioning ,can not afford to condone self destructiveness in that pursuit. you are either free, or you are not. there is no halfway, being a bit free is like being a bit pregnant. hannah lynn

tazzygirl -> RE: "A woman has the right to do what she wants with her own body" (4/16/2011 9:57:42 PM)
quote: being a bit free is like being a bit pregnant. Actually... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydatidiform_mole

slvemike4u -> RE: "A woman has the right to do what she wants with her own body" (4/16/2011 9:59:36 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: HannahLynHeather quote: It is all well and good to advocate for personal freedoms....and I would join you in that,but there is a line in the sand where society,if it intends to remain cohesive and functioning ,can not afford to condone self destructiveness in that pursuit. you are either free, or you are not. there is no halfway, being a bit free is like being a bit pregnant. hannah lynn Quite frankly my dear that is just so much utter bullshit.If you want true unencumbered freedom...best go find yourself one lonely damm mountaintop...or a deserted island somewhere....as long as you are living as one part of a greater collective(re:society) than there will always be laws....and thank god for that.

imperatrixx -> RE: "A woman has the right to do what she wants with her own body" (4/16/2011 9:59:52 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl And yet here you are arguing that people should or should not be able to do what they want with their bodies, when, in reality, you are just wanting someone to agree that crack should be legal. Why didnt you say so to begin with? Funny I thought "therefore crack should be legal" in my OP was clear enough. Then again someone who doesn't know the difference between prescribing a drug and administering a drug might not be aware of the finer points of communication. Such as "crack should be legal" is the opinion I'm putting forth and "people should be able to do what they want with their own body" is the reasoning I'm using to validate that opinion.

imperatrixx -> RE: "A woman has the right to do what she wants with her own body" (4/16/2011 10:01:05 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: slvemike4u Quite frankly my dear that is just so much utter bullshit.If you want true unencumbered freedom...best go find yourself one lonely damm mountaintop...or a deserted island somewhere....as long as you are living as one part of a greater collective(re:society) than there will always be laws....and thank god for that. Oh I know! Do you know there are actually people who think that gays should be allowed to get married? Don't they realize that as long as they live as one part of a greater collective, there will always be laws? Thank god for that.

HannahLynHeather -> RE: "A woman has the right to do what she wants with her own body" (4/16/2011 10:03:33 PM)
quote: Actually... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydatidiform_mole [sm=yourock.gif][sm=applause.gif][sm=applause.gif][sm=applause.gif]another cliche bites the dust! hannah lynn <edited to make it clear who i was responding to>

slvemike4u -> RE: "A woman has the right to do what she wants with her own body" (4/16/2011 10:04:21 PM)
Imagine that !.Will they then choose to smoke crack at the weddings? Goodnight...and happy smoking .

tazzygirl -> RE: "A woman has the right to do what she wants with her own body" (4/16/2011 10:05:00 PM)
LOL I assure you, I know the difference. I also have witnessed many physicians administering alcohol in nursing homes and hospitals. Might not be prevalent where you are, but down south its how they do things, especially for alcoholic elderly patients. Much kinder than DTs at that stage of life. Its also useful in many other cases.... for example... Diagnosis of carcinoid tumors involves urine and blood tests, imaging tests (e.g., x-ray, CT scan, MRI scan), and may involve exploratory surgery. In some cases, physicians administer a drug (e.g., calcium gluconate, pentagastrin, alcohol) to provoke flushing and help in the diagnosis. These drugs are administered under careful observation in a hospital because they may cause serious side effects. http://www.oncologychannel.com/cancermalignancy/diagnosis.shtml Please make sure you know what you are speaking about before assuming you are an authority... its one of the reasons why I research and offer so many links.

slvemike4u -> RE: "A woman has the right to do what she wants with her own body" (4/16/2011 10:05:53 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: HannahLynHeather [sm=yourock.gif][sm=applause.gif][sm=applause.gif][sm=applause.gif]another cliche bites the dust! hannah lynn Sooner or later the two of you will have to grow up...unless of course you decide to dabble in the shit you are advocating. Good luck with that.

HannahLynHeather -> RE: "A woman has the right to do what she wants with her own body" (4/16/2011 10:06:07 PM)
quote: Quite frankly my dear that is just so much utter bullshit.If you want true unencumbered freedom...best go find yourself one lonely damm mountaintop...or a deserted island somewhere....as long as you are living as one part of a greater collective(re:society) than there will always be laws....and thank god for that. sorry, yours is the bullshit. you go ahead and make your laws and take comfort in them. and i will continue to ignore them and find freedom in that. hannah lynn

imperatrixx -> RE: "A woman has the right to do what she wants with her own body" (4/16/2011 10:07:24 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl I assure you, I know the difference. I also have witnessed many physicians administering alcohol in nursing homes and hospitals. Might not be prevalent where you are, but down south its how they do things, especially for alcoholic elderly patients. Much kinder than DTs at that stage of life. Its also useful in many other cases.... for example... Fair enough. Would it stand to reason that if crack and heroin were legal, these doctors would do the same for their elderly patients? Heroin withdrawal at that stage of life can't be much more pleasant than DT's. And if the drug itself were legal, I can't see why one addiction would be treated differently than the other.

TheRaptorJesus -> RE: "A woman has the right to do what she wants with her own body" (4/16/2011 10:07:46 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: slvemike4u quote: ORIGINAL: TheRaptorJesus quote: ORIGINAL: slvemike4u quote: ORIGINAL: HannahLynHeather quote: the ones I would like legalized [:D] good point, however they should all be legal. a person has the right to do whatever they want with themselves, its their body and their life. People do not exist in a vacuum.....what you propose is a step towards anarchy.Society can not exist with everyone free to do whatever they choose to do under the flag of it's my body I will do what I want with it. You misunderstand. Not DO what you want but INGEST what you want. If you want to sniff glue, smoke pot, drop acid, drink beer, huff paint, inject heroine, fuck Courtney Love, eat mushrooms, or take asprin... it's your right. You have dominion over what goes into your body... or you should, It goes further than drugs into the fact that the FDA has tried to keep people from drinking milk from their own cows because it wasn't pasteurized... while they annually let pills that will kill hundreds of people go to market. Of course a whole slew of criminal activities take place before you ingest that substance.In other words there is an awful hell of a lot of doing whatever you want to do....before ingestion.I was young once and didn't think anyone had the right to tell me what to do with my own body...and acted accordingly.How many laws do you think I broke in the pursuit of my high....and during the enjoyment of that high. It is all well and good to advocate for personal freedoms....and I would join you in that,but there is a line in the sand where society,if it intends to remain cohesive and functioning ,can not afford to condone self destructiveness in that pursuit. None of those activities would be illegal if not for laws determining that we aren't capable of choosing what to ingest. Does it make sense that synthesizing LSD is a guaranteed life term in jail when a rapist can get out in a couple months? And yes, society can and should function allowing the self-destructive to destruct. If natural selection still existed, we'd be better off. I better stop before I sound like the mouth-breathing abhorrent cunt Ayn Rand.

imperatrixx -> RE: "A woman has the right to do what she wants with her own body" (4/16/2011 10:10:38 PM)
Exactly. And legalizing crack won't make robbery, domestic violence, murder, or whatever else legal. It just means that the act of ingesting the substance can't be prosecuted. Whatever other laws are broken under the influence will remain just as prosecutable as if the offender broke them sober.

HannahLynHeather -> RE: "A woman has the right to do what she wants with her own body" (4/16/2011 10:10:52 PM)
quote: Sooner or later the two of you will have to grow up...unless of course you decide to dabble in the shit you are advocating. i have grown up, long ago and far too early. and i don't dabble in freedom, you do. i embrace it in its entirety. hannah lynn <p.s. the post was in reply to tazzygirl>

tazzygirl -> RE: "A woman has the right to do what she wants with her own body" (4/16/2011 10:17:56 PM)
quote: Fair enough. Would it stand to reason that if crack and heroin were legal, these doctors would do the same for their elderly patients? Heroin withdrawal at that stage of life can't be much more pleasant than DT's. And if the drug itself were legal, I can't see why one addiction would be treated differently than the other. Physicians will have to cross that bridge when my generation starts going to nursing homes. But, by that point, many who use are typically dead. As far as helping them by administering them crack or cocaine, as long as both substances are illegal, it will never happen. Even if it ever becomes legal, it will be up to that physician if he or she wishes to utilize it as a course of treatment.

tazzygirl -> RE: "A woman has the right to do what she wants with her own body" (4/16/2011 10:22:41 PM)
quote: And legalizing crack won't make robbery, domestic violence, murder, or whatever else legal. It just means that the act of ingesting the substance can't be prosecuted. However, the side effects of it can produce those actions.

HannahLynHeather -> RE: "A woman has the right to do what she wants with her own body" (4/16/2011 10:31:22 PM)
quote: However, the side effects of it can produce those actions. true, but irrelevant to the question. hannah lynn

tazzygirl -> RE: "A woman has the right to do what she wants with her own body" (4/16/2011 10:37:45 PM)
Its rather on topic. quote: Use of cocaine in a binge, during which the drug is taken repeatedly and at increasingly high doses, leads to a state of increasing irritability, restlessness, and paranoia.[6] This may result in a full-blown paranoid psychosis, in which the individual loses touch with reality and experiences auditory hallucinations.[6] Its another reason why it wont be legalized.

imperatrixx -> RE: "A woman has the right to do what she wants with her own body" (4/16/2011 10:38:14 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl However, the side effects of it can produce those actions. This is true. However, the side effects of it don't invariably produce those actions, it depends on the individual. I also genuinely believe that legalization would alleviate a lot of it. Compare heroin to methadone. Both are addictive opiods that cause overdose if dosage exceeds tolerance. The only thing that makes heroin inherently more dangerous is injection. The purity and stable dosage of methadone is what makes it safer otherwise, and that's directly tied to legality. Methadone is cheaper than heroin. People will rob liquor stores to get money for heroin, but they don't seem to do that for methadone. The environment of methadone use is also much different than heroin. You go to a clinic (or in some countries a pharmacy) and receive the drug. Long term users are able to visit the clinic once a week and take the rest of their supply home. Yet they never overdose at home, even without supervision. And they never have to associate with criminals in order to acquire the drug. As far as violence and murder, I think this depends on the person. Two men can go to a liquor store and buy a bottle of jack, one ends up going home and having a jack and coke, the other drinks the whole bottle, beats his wife and falls asleep in his own vomit. Should the fact that the second man is unable to control himself mean that the first shouldn't be able to drink at all?

imperatrixx -> RE: "A woman has the right to do what she wants with her own body" (4/16/2011 10:40:20 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl Its rather on topic. quote: Use of cocaine in a binge, during which the drug is taken repeatedly and at increasingly high doses, leads to a state of increasing irritability, restlessness, and paranoia.[6] This may result in a full-blown paranoid psychosis, in which the individual loses touch with reality and experiences auditory hallucinations.[6] Its another reason why it wont be legalized. And yet... quote: Chronic alcohol misuse can cause psychotic type symptoms to develop, more so than with other drugs of abuse. Alcohol abuse has been shown to cause an 800% increased risk of psychotic disorders in men and a 300% increased risk of psychotic disorders in women which are not related to pre-existing psychiatric disorders. This is significantly higher than the increased risk of psychotic disorders seen from cannabis use making alcohol abuse a very significant cause of psychotic disorders.[96] Prominent hallucinations and/or delusions are usually present when a patient is intoxicated or recently withdrawn from alcohol.

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