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HannahLynHeather -> RE: Frustrated Diabetic (4/21/2011 7:34:09 AM)

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Now for some real medical advice. Don't eat rat poison. Take it or leave it.

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But that's not medical advice, drink all the ammonia you want folks. Hell food doesn't have to be nonpoisonous or nutritious. I guess that's just one of those fancy old myths onto which I cling for dear life.

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gungadin09 is not a doctor and her post should not be taken as informed medical advice. Please consult a doctor before changing your diet or excercise regiment. gungadin09 is not responsible for any harm, accident, or side effect that may occur from drinking tea. Anyone choosing to drink tea does so at their own risk. This post does not constitute any promise or guarantee about the efficacy of tea in treating diabetes. Tea alone does not cure diabetes. Individual results will vary. Thank you.
OK. I deserve these.[:D][:D]

Heather



gungadin09 -> RE: Frustrated Diabetic (4/21/2011 7:35:10 AM)

It was a joke. (Sort of.)

pam



Termyn8or -> RE: Frustrated Diabetic (4/21/2011 10:50:10 PM)

FR

Look folks, I didn't come here to make enemies. But when I have something to say I will say it. It has almost gotten me thrown off CM, and a few other places. I have been thrown out of bars and people's houses and, fuckum.

We have so much poison in our lives (both kinds). I happen to think we can tolerate the poisons to some extent if we are healthy enough. In other words it's not always what we are eating, but what we aren't. I believe this VERY strongly. For me to abuse my carcass so greivously for near forty years now and have then tell me at fifty that I could live another fifty years is something I can't quite explain. Why I was so indestructible is beyond me.

Sometimes I don't realize that some people never had that advantage, and for that I do apologize if it offends. I mean getting shot was one thing, I was hit in the face with a two by four. The only bones in me that I was abloe to break were the little skinny ones, like fingers and ribs. I have been in car wrecks and even the cops can't believe I walked away. And as much as I purport diet to be a major factor, I can't attribute it all to that, especially since my diet has been far from prefect.

I'd like to see every diabetic in here come and say "Hey, guess what I am not diabetic anymore", but I realize that for some, that is never going to happen. I have never wanted to offend anyone, just possibly help by relating what I do know and my experience. But there is another reason for my viewpoint, which is that in my time I have seen the experts proven wrong so many times that I don't even take their advice. When it comes to advice I look to see if it makes sense. I have always done that, and I corrected a teacher in kindergarden y'know.

I have never trusted anyone because of the letters after their name. I could easily become a CET which is a certification in my field, I never bothered, and I also never bothered with a diploma. I think that people like me serve a purpose, to bring something other than established "knowledge" to the table and I figure that everyone will take that, and the grain of salt and try to meld it with their own knowledge. I hope I figured right.

The body of knowledge in the mind is like a lattice, and could be considered as a pyramid. The pieces up top are dependent on the pieces on the bottom, just like a house with a bad foundation is not a good house. Through life we build on that foundation, but if the foundation isn't true, the house lilts. It can indeed crumble to the ground. What's more, ever fix the foundation on a house ? It is not the easiest thing in the world. When proven wrong, one must replace a brick, possibly at the bottom of a skyscraper (figuratively). This is not easy.

Maybe I need a standard disclaimer. "I may be full of shit, but check this out".

T^T



bighappygoth39 -> RE: Frustrated Diabetic (4/23/2011 9:31:58 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Termyn8or

Why I was so indestructible is beyond me.

Because you're Ahnuld?



Termyn8or -> RE: Frustrated Diabetic (4/23/2011 5:50:29 PM)

LOL. You might not believe this but it's true, I didn't give myself that name. But it stuck.

T^T



jewelsthepoet -> RE: Frustrated Diabetic (5/13/2011 4:51:05 PM)

I am also a newly diagnosed diabetic with ranges that are only slightly out of whack but need to be monitored to ensure that it doesn't get worse.

Your dietitian is full of shit.

First of all, nearly any reputable dietitian will tell you to eat about 6 oz of lean protein 2-3 times a day, and fill the rest of your plate with non-starchy fruits and veggies. Starchy meaning things like corn, potatoes, not broccoli and green beans.

For someone who also doesn't eat a lot of sugar but craves it once in a while, i can tell you that all those sugar free bs is mostly carbs anyways and can easily be avoided.

Also, no reputable dietitian will tell you to skip meals. They will stress the importance of at least trying on a fairly regular basis to eat 3 times a day with 3 small snacks in between and making sure you get a small amount of fat in your diet as you need it.. even if it's whole grain toast with a bit of butter, it still qualifies.

I actually had a GREAT dietitian who gave me a book that lists all the foods pretty much that you can think of and what portions are considered reasonable because i am one of those people that hates eating fatty foods.. so i actually had to add fat to my diet to get the quantity that my body required. Salt is not one of the big concerns unless you have edema or high blood pressure. Since one doctor says you need more than most people, you can write the dietitian off to being a fucking moron. (pardon my french)

This is some general information from the mayo clinic http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/diabetes-diet/DA00027

This one is a bit more useful in specifics, it's from the California Pacific Medical Center Dietary Guidelines for Diabetics

This is a guide offered by Merck & Co. that has some very useful information in it Type 2 Diabetes Dietary Learning

And this is Diabetic Life which offers a wealth of information on what, how and when to eat along with other things that i have found very useful Healthy Eating : Diabetes This site also has over 250,000 foods you can look up to find out what benefits it offers



Toppingfrmbottom -> RE: Frustrated Diabetic (5/16/2011 10:10:01 AM)

I am supposed to carb count. I don't tho. Carbs break down into sugar, there's simple carbs an complex. The ones that hit the system the fastest cause blood sugar levels to spike high an fast.


Or that's my understanding.

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ORIGINAL: avena

I'd join your rant about the ineptitudes of various supposed 'medical professionals', but that would take a very long post. Instead, I'll try keep it as short and to the point as possible (given my tendancy to ramble aimlessly).

I'm not diabetic, but I am insulin resistant due to another condition. I follow a modified diabetic diet, and I think I may have gotten lucky with the dietician I saw when I first started on the whole thing. She told me two things:

1) Try to eat a protein with every meal and snack
2) Cut out as many refined carbs as you can handle without going nuts

That's it. I still eat more or less the same as I did before, since I already ate a relatively balanced diet. I just eat whole wheat pasta and bread instead of white, and brown rice instead of white rice. It doesn't sound like cutting out sweets would be a big deal for you, although it was a bit of a struggle for me. I also carry around granola bars and packets of unsalted nuts, for snacks on the fly.

I've never understood the whole carb counting thing. I do understand the need to keep blood sugars at a more or less stable level throughout the day, hence the snacking.

My diet isn't all that different from the diabetics I know, and as far as I know, none of them worry about carb counting or anything else like that. They make sure their meals are balanced and healthy, with a protein and some form of carb at every meal, and avoid sugar like the plague.

Hopefully you get a chance to talk to another Nutrionist, who knows a bit more about what they're doing.

Good luck!



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