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Real0ne -> RE: Assassination of Foreign Leaders (5/1/2011 12:33:19 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tj444 He has been in power for how long? half a century or longer? its not like he hasnt been brutal all these decades, so why now, all of a sudden is the US/Nato attacking him? This, imo, is another Iraq and imaginary wmd, any excuse to take over a country for oil. All paid for by struggling over-taxed taxpayers for the financial benefit of oil companies. I will drink to that!

Real0ne -> RE: Assassination of Foreign Leaders (5/1/2011 12:35:16 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: TheHeretic quote: ORIGINAL: Owner59 What could be the reason for such a ridiculously whacko assertion like that? And what would you call a direct attack upon a foreign leader that we are most certainly NOT at war with? war crimes and doing the crown a big favor.

Real0ne -> RE: Assassination of Foreign Leaders (5/1/2011 12:39:01 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: TheHeretic Bush defended his decision on the grounds that the Reagan Executive Order doesn't apply in wartime. Obama has gone along with that interpretation, but in Libya, we are quite specifically NOT at war. I think the whole intervention in Libya was a mistake, this escalation just adds more muck and slime to an already very slippery slope. americans have gotten used to the idea that they are nazis hell bent for world domination. never did figger out the difference between an EO and prerogative proclamation.... hmm....

Real0ne -> RE: Assassination of Foreign Leaders (5/1/2011 12:41:34 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl Ya know, RO, if america is such a bad place in your views, why are you still living here? As far as the Op, Rich, its never fair when children die. well I was just wondering because what are we up to now days about 2.5 million muslims dead? hell we are well over the 1/2 way mark of the holocaust now that they re-counted the hanging chads!

Politesub53 -> RE: Assassination of Foreign Leaders (5/1/2011 3:59:53 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: TheHeretic I make no claims to high expertise on international law, and those who do claim such expertise are probably going to argue amongst themselves over this. Bush defended his decision on the grounds that the Reagan Executive Order doesn't apply in wartime. Obama has gone along with that interpretation, but in Libya, we are quite specifically NOT at war. I think the whole intervention in Libya was a mistake, this escalation just adds more muck and slime to an already very slippery slope. I agree about a slippery slope. I am not happy with civillians being caught up in these drone attacks. In Iraq and Afghanistan and Pakistan, civillian deaths created more bad will towards the UK and US.

DarkSteven -> RE: Assassination of Foreign Leaders (5/1/2011 4:34:32 AM)
Rich, there is no way in Hell that I would support assassination of a foreign leader. Except as a substitute for going to war. Then assassination looks pretty darn good.

rulemylife -> RE: Assassination of Foreign Leaders (5/1/2011 4:50:50 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: servantforuse You can't count the number of people that Gadhifi had killed. They are not trying to overthrow him because he was such a nice guy. So little children should be killed for the sins of their grandfather?

blacksword404 -> RE: Assassination of Foreign Leaders (5/1/2011 6:47:23 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: TheHeretic NATO strike kills Gadhafi's son but leader escapes Be means of a missile, or a bomb, NATO blew up a house with Kuhdaffy in it, killing the rogue leaders son, and three of his grandchildren. Fair or foul? My answer would depend on if we are at war with quadaffi or not. If we are then we will kill him wherever we find him and anybody around him will join him. If we are not at war with him... then why the fuck are we targeting foreign leaders again?

gungadin09 -> RE: Assassination of Foreign Leaders (5/1/2011 6:54:38 AM)
Am i just really naive? How can we openly assassinate another country's leader (good or bad) without having the country declare war on us? pam

DarkSteven -> RE: Assassination of Foreign Leaders (5/1/2011 6:56:41 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: gungadin09 Am i just really naive? How can we openly assassinate another country's leader (good or bad) without having the country declare war on us? pam Depends who ends up in power. If it's the opposition.... And, to be blunt, no country would formally declare war on us. The most they would so is set up a counter-assassination attempt. Which I have no doubt, some are doing right now, quietly.

blacksword404 -> RE: Assassination of Foreign Leaders (5/1/2011 6:58:26 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DarkSteven Rich, there is no way in Hell that I would support assassination of a foreign leader. Except as a substitute for going to war. Then assassination looks pretty darn good. You handing these cards out to all countries or just ours? I think he should have been killed years ago. I would even support it now if they were honest about it. They say they are not going to remove him from office and then you keep trying to kill him on the stealth.

TheHeretic -> RE: Assassination of Foreign Leaders (5/1/2011 7:40:17 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Owner59 Oh I get it. No, you don't, O59, but you aren't going to let that interfere with your smears, strawmen, and namecalling, are you?

Sanity -> RE: Assassination of Foreign Leaders (5/1/2011 8:12:06 AM)
Various leftist crazies have been very publicly seeking to make "citizens arrests" on Bush and his secretary level appointees up until fairly recently quote: ORIGINAL: subrob1967 Impeach Obama and charge him for war crimes... Isn't that the typical progressive view point? After all this IS an illegal war against a country who poses no threat to the U.S.

Owner59 -> RE: Assassination of Foreign Leaders (5/1/2011 8:19:19 AM)
The sanitizers point is that b/c bush/chaney got away with war crimes,they never really did them.[8\|] quote: ORIGINAL: gungadin09 Am i just really naive? How can we openly assassinate another country's leader (good or bad) without having the country declare war on us? The answer would be no. The policy of killing leaders was abandoned by the us decades ago.The bushies and neo-cons occasionally defend it or call for it(what if hitler were killed early,Saddam,etc.) but in general, we don`t do it,whether we`ve declared war or not. And for good practical reasons,not just moral ones. Non-combatants getting killed is going to happen.It`s what happened here.If Ghadafi really was concerned about his kin he`d have moved them out weeks ago.Maybe Ghadafi thought he had/has the upper hand and didn`t need to.His mistake.I don`t have an once of sympathy for that terrorist/friend-of-big-oil. I believe we should follow a policy of trying our best not to kill non-combs.Our main policy changes in Afghanistan after President Obama took command were designed to lower the un-acceptably high number of civilian/non-combatant deaths there.Those numbers are way down thought it still does happen. Ghadafi will/has also use(d) the usual school/library/hospital collateral damage to gain sympathy."Look at what the bad NATO planes did the to Libya`s little bunny rabbits and kittens!!" The question over whether we call this a war or not is a symantics game by cons, looking to dumb down the arguement. President Obama`s critics seem really anxious to call this involvement a mistake but somehow can`t seem to explain why. It`s the moral equivatant of chiding and even blaming a man, for running into a burning building to save a family,saying it`s not his business.

Lucylastic -> RE: Assassination of Foreign Leaders (5/1/2011 8:23:31 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: TheHeretic quote: ORIGINAL: Owner59 Oh I get it. No, you don't, O59, but you aren't going to let that interfere with your smears, strawmen, and namecalling, are you? Ermmmm pot calling the kettle grimy arse again Rich[8\|] quote: ORIGINAL: TheHeretic Were you up all night watching the wedding, are you just being fucking stupid and irrational for some other reason?

TheHeretic -> RE: Assassination of Foreign Leaders (5/1/2011 8:28:07 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Owner59 The policy of killing leaders was abandoned by the us decades ago.The bushies and neo-cons occasionally defend it or call for it(what in hitler were killed early,Saddam,etc.) but in general, we don`t do it,whether we`ve declared war or not. And for good practical reasons,not just moral ones. Our current President seems to be reviving the practice, O59. How does that make you feel?

subrob1967 -> RE: Assassination of Foreign Leaders (5/1/2011 8:36:33 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Owner59 The sanitizers point is that b/c bush/chaney got away with war crimes,they never really did them.[8\|] quote: ORIGINAL: gungadin09 Am i just really naive? How can we openly assassinate another country's leader (good or bad) without having the country declare war on us? The answer would be no. The policy of killing leaders was abandoned by the us decades ago.The bushies and neo-cons occasionally defend it or call for it(what in hitler were killed early,Saddam,etc.) but in general, we don`t do it,whether we`ve declared war or not. And for good practical reasons,not just moral ones. Non-combatants getting killed is going to happen.It`s what happened here.If Ghadafi really was concerned about his kin he`d moved them out weeks ago.Maybe Ghadafi thought he had/has the upper hand and didn`t need to.His mistake.I don`t have an once of sympathy for that terrorist/friend-of-big-oil. I believe we should follow a policy of trying our best not to kill non-combs.Our main policy changes in Afghanistan after President Obama took command were designed to lower the un-acceptably high number of civilian/non-combatant deaths there.Those numbers are way down thought it still does happen. Ghadafi will/has also use(d) the usual school/library/hospital collateral damage to gain sympathy."Look at what the bad NATO planes did the to Libya`s little bunny rabbits and kittens!!" The question over whether we call this a war or not is a symantics game by cons, looking to dumb down the arguement. President Obama`s critics seem really anxious to call this involvement a mistake but somehow can`t seem to explain why. It`s the moral equivatant of chiding and even blaming a man, for running into a burning building to save a family,saying it`s not his business. You really are stupid, aren't you? The why is, Libya has done nothing to attack the U.S. since Lockerbie under Reagan. As for defending Bush, show me one post where I said invading Iraq was a good decision, or defended Quadaffi, Ghadaffi, Gadaffi, or however he's spelling it these days. My post had nothing to do with Bush, and EVERYTHING to do with the left's ongoing hypocrisy where it comes to President Obama. You guys wanted your war for Oil, well, here it is, only it's your guy who's the perpetrator, not Bushie, and it won't be the US who benefits, after all, it's his energy secretary who wants to see $10 a gallon gas...

TheHeretic -> RE: Assassination of Foreign Leaders (5/1/2011 8:48:17 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Lucylastic Ermmmm pot calling the kettle grimy arse again Rich[8\|] quote: ORIGINAL: TheHeretic Were you up all night watching the wedding, are you just being fucking stupid and irrational for some other reason? IIRC, Lucy, you were equating not supporting government dollars for abortion providers with being supportive of gang-rape. That's fucking stupid and irrational. Retract your demagogic bullshit, I'll retract the question. You're smarter than that. Feel free to bump the other thread if you want to get back into it.

Owner59 -> RE: Assassination of Foreign Leaders (5/1/2011 8:49:39 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: TheHeretic quote: ORIGINAL: Owner59 The policy of killing leaders was abandoned by the us decades ago.The bushies and neo-cons occasionally defend it or call for it(what in hitler were killed early,Saddam,etc.) but in general, we don`t do it,whether we`ve declared war or not. And for good practical reasons,not just moral ones. Our current President seems to be reviving the practice, O59. How does that make you feel? President Obama and NATO have already been asked about targeting your friend Ghadafi and answered that we don`t do that.

TheHeretic -> RE: Assassination of Foreign Leaders (5/1/2011 8:52:22 AM)
Obama lied, people died. [;)]

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