RE: what is tpe? (Full Version)

All Forums >> [Community Discussions] >> Ask a Master



Message

leadership527 -> RE: what is tpe? (5/5/2011 9:11:55 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: NuevaVida
To me, TPE is a catchy phrase that means very little. In my own humble opinion, any time I have to spend a lot of energy dissecting what something means, I start reconsidering its value to me.

THIS ought to be emblazoned in a huge font across the banner of every page on collarme. It really makes a lot of sense when you think about it. This thing that we're all discussing here is not quantum physics. This is a normal, every-day thing that humans have been doing for the last... well... from before humans existed actually. Any word/phrase which doesn't communicate clearly and concisely is more than likely deliberately obfuscated and/or fantasy based. That makes it easy to let go of. It's kind of interesting to think what words you'd end up after the "spring cleaning".



ChatteParfaitt -> RE: what is tpe? (5/5/2011 10:27:25 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: leadership527

quote:

ORIGINAL: NuevaVida
To me, TPE is a catchy phrase that means very little. In my own humble opinion, any time I have to spend a lot of energy dissecting what something means, I start reconsidering its value to me.

THIS ought to be emblazoned in a huge font across the banner of every page on collarme. It really makes a lot of sense when you think about it. This thing that we're all discussing here is not quantum physics. This is a normal, every-day thing that humans have been doing for the last... well... from before humans existed actually. Any word/phrase which doesn't communicate clearly and concisely is more than likely deliberately obfuscated and/or fantasy based. That makes it easy to let go of. It's kind of interesting to think what words you'd end up after the "spring cleaning".



And yet I strongly suspect both of you have spent a certain amount of time pondering the terms "slave," "submissive," "Master," "dominant," along with "submission," "dominance," and a few more that have relevance to you. It's hard to communicate on a BDSM discussion board without having done. Would you toss these terms out too?

If you don't like the term TPE, no one is forcing you to use it. The discussion arose from the OP who asked what it meant. Not surprisingly, he was given a debate over what it meant, the same as he would had he asked what "slave" meant.

JMO, YMMV





leadership527 -> RE: what is tpe? (5/5/2011 11:12:42 AM)

And a part of that debate (and my own personal viewpoint) is that "TPE" really doesn't mean anything. Or, in a more cynical light, what it means is, "We're more extreme than you". In point of fact, I don't think "dominance", "submission", or any of the other words you mentioned mean much either.

Yes, Carol and I did spend time on this and other pointless questions. With any luck, the OP can avoid that senseless trap.



ChatteParfaitt -> RE: what is tpe? (5/5/2011 11:27:56 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: leadership527

And a part of that debate (and my own personal viewpoint) is that "TPE" really doesn't mean anything. Or, in a more cynical light, what it means is, "We're more extreme than you". In point of fact, I don't think "dominance", "submission", or any of the other words you mentioned mean much either.

Yes, Carol and I did spend time on this and other pointless questions. With any luck, the OP can avoid that senseless trap.


I agree that any word or phrase that has as many definitions as the person using it, is not terribly useful as a label.  TPE means what YOU think it means. *I* don't think TPE means "I'm more extreme than you," at all. To me it means, "we are less focused on the BDSM aspects, more on the relationship aspects."

I have taken a long hard long at what all those terms and more mean to me personally, and have made some major readjustments in my thinking in the last few years. Always a good thing to do.




NuevaVida -> RE: what is tpe? (5/5/2011 1:23:16 PM)

I have indeed spent significant brain cells on TPE, master, slave, dominant, submissive, etc. And I concluded that none of those terms are terms that have much value to me. See my profile. It clearly states I'm not all that interested in labels. I list myself as "slave" but I'm not married to that word either. I'm his woman and I serve him and he rules me. "Slave" tends to convey that a little more quickly, however.

I tend to be literal in my thinking, so Total Power Exchange just doesn't work for me. There is no "total". I still have my power, he just rules over it. And our relationship is not a business transaction in which we barter or trade efforts. So, as I said before, TPE - for me - is a catchy phrase that doesn't apply to me.

The OP asked what it is. And people are sharing their individual assessments of what it is to them. Naturally views are going to differ. And that's what makes conversations like this so interesting to me.



ChatteParfaitt -> RE: what is tpe? (5/5/2011 1:33:29 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: NuevaVida

I have indeed spent significant brain cells on TPE, master, slave, dominant, submissive, etc. And I concluded that none of those terms are terms that have much value to me. See my profile. It clearly states I'm not all that interested in labels. I list myself as "slave" but I'm not married to that word either. I'm his woman and I serve him and he rules me. "Slave" tends to convey that a little more quickly, however.

I tend to be literal in my thinking, so Total Power Exchange just doesn't work for me. There is no "total". I still have my power, he just rules over it. And our relationship is not a business transaction in which we barter or trade efforts. So, as I said before, TPE - for me - is a catchy phrase that doesn't apply to me.

The OP asked what it is. And people are sharing their individual assessments of what it is to them. Naturally views are going to differ. And that's what makes conversations like this so interesting to me.


For me as well, especially when it is, as it has been with both you and Jeff, an actual exchange of ideas and opinions without having the egotistical need to be right, or prove the other wrong.

The truth is, I don't know *what* to call either one of my relationships, other than ones that work for me.





NuevaVida -> RE: what is tpe? (5/5/2011 1:52:38 PM)

"Ones that work for me" works.

Here's the thing with me. I spent a long time trying to understand the "true" definition of something and put all the effort I had trying to live by that definition. This proved to be destructive to me in the long run. So now my focus is to be "me" and not bother too much with labels. I've found that bothers some people, but I'm ok with that. ;)

::wanders off singing I Gotta Be Meeeeee::



aromanholiday -> RE: what is tpe? (5/5/2011 4:50:53 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: MarcEsadrian

Further, while a good Master (or Mistress) recognizes responsibility in managing/caring for what they keep, total power means the luxury to bend, change or discard rules of responsibility or care, if one so chooses. I say this assuming we are not simply talking about the sexual realm, either.


As far as experiencing slavery goes, this is a very relevant point to me. If a dominant seems honor-bound to abide by some code to exhibit a certain level of responsibility or care and swears to me he'll never change it, then guess what? The whole thing stinks of a transaction again (or an "exchange:" I give you this; you give me that) rather than I enslave you and take what I want from you. I don't want any part of something like the former. Exchanges and transactions are fine for negotiated dominance and submission, but I'm not looking for anything resembling that. Given my personal goals for my life, when I see this honor-bound commitment to responsibility in a dominant, it is a huge red flag--but just for me personally: I've been there, done that, didn't get the "Owned" t shirt (or feel remotely close to being owned). It is also erotically a turnoff and, for me, would make the reality of master/slave just a fantasy game. So that's one game I'll never play...again.

I forgot to answer your earlier response to me, sorry about that. It was probably because I agreed with it. But I can always think of something else to say, so let me fix that now.

quote:

ORIGINAL: MarcEsadrian
In my experience and opinion, yes. As for it being heavy or light, that is a matter of which side of the philosophical coin you're on at the moment, I feel. That said, it is both "heavy" and "light", to use your ideas. Slavery can be freeing in as much as it allows one to be what they yearn to be, but accountability and responsibility, not only to that ideal, but also the Master's authority and the consequences it brings, is inevitable.


Thank you for replying. I agree with what you said, especially about the accountability and responsibility (for the slave). Having to be accountable and responsible for obedience does two very useful things for me:

First, it underlines the reality of the enslavement: the fact that this isn't some "let's pretend" game that I can flub up in and have my master laughingly brush off, even though I abdicated my responsibility and did not do as he said. When a master overlooks or instantly forgives (or forgives after just a little talking) every mistake you make or changes originally tight rules to be looser and looser to accommodate your tendency to push for more latitude, the situation moves away from feeling like enslavement and more toward feeling like a pampered, spoiled girl. And you do not learn, grow, or expand as a slave. If anything, your tendencies to procrastinate, to resent or fight control, and to creatively weasel your way out of situations where you did not comply, get stronger.

Second, it puts the relationship (and my attitude) in the right perspective for me, which is that I am there to serve him and I am under obligation to him and not the other way around. Thus I am responsible for providing whatever is ordered of me. I must be accountable and responsible to him, whereas he is under no obligation to be the same to me...because...he actually owns me, and one is not under an obligation to do anything for one's property. While I expect I'll probably be "maintained" (food, shelter, medical care) I will know, when I am in the right sort of situation for me, that I cannot take that as a given. Many people read something like this and think it unfair. But being enslaved is unfair, that's the at its core, and if what you need to feel is slavery, then you are grateful for a situation like this because it gives you what you need. And not what is "fair."



MarcEsadrian -> RE: what is tpe? (5/5/2011 11:14:09 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: ChatteParfaitt
In any case, we seem to more or less agree that any power dynamic without a certain degree of built in fluidity is doomed to failure, no matter what you want to call it.


That wasn't under contention either, but yes, we agree. Well, our agreement crosses somewhere on the scale. A certain degree of "fluidity" is there in any paradigm, I think, but I also think such a notion should be used with care, otherwise it can lead to a bounce house of intellectual dishonesty. YMMV and all the rest of that chicken dance.



MarcEsadrian -> RE: what is tpe? (5/5/2011 11:59:37 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: aromanholiday
Exchanges and transactions are fine for negotiated dominance and submission, but I'm not looking for anything resembling that.


I can fully appreciate what you're saying here. To be intellectually fair, however, there is a "payoff" for the servile party, though it's one of intangibles, of what moves and binds the slave to his/her Master and creates a fulfilling symbiosis, even if terribly cruel, and as you say, "unfair". I could be wrong, but that is what the cumbersome notion of "exchange" is really attempting to hover around, I think; the psychologically fulfilling force of unequivocal dominance exchanged for the pleasures and utilities unequivocal servility provides.



aromanholiday -> RE: what is tpe? (5/6/2011 6:43:40 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: MarcEsadrian


quote:

ORIGINAL: aromanholiday
Exchanges and transactions are fine for negotiated dominance and submission, but I'm not looking for anything resembling that.


I can fully appreciate what you're saying here. To be intellectually fair, however, there is a "payoff" for the servile party, though it's one of intangibles, of what moves and binds the slave to his/her Master and creates a fulfilling symbiosis, even if terribly cruel, and as you say, "unfair". I could be wrong, but that is what the cumbersome notion of "exchange" is really attempting to hover around, I think; the psychologically fulfilling force of unequivocal dominance exchanged for the pleasures and utilities unequivocal servility provides.


Oh yes, good point! The servile party does get plenty, in my experience, of what they truly need. This sort of symbiosis reminds me a little of pilot fish and sharks, although I don't imagine that pilot fish feel the intense gratification that unrequited giving and service provides (although they do get their little bellies filled!)

They have nothing of harm to dread,
But liquidly glide on his ghastly flank
Or before his Gorgonian head;
Or lurk in the port of serrated teeth
In white triple tiers of glittering gates,
And there find a haven when peril's abroad,
An asylum in jaws of the Fates!
--Herman Melville



aromanholiday -> RE: what is tpe? (5/6/2011 5:55:02 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: MissImmortalPain

We agree on the first two things....yay.



Well two is much, much better than none. :)

quote:


On to that other thing though. I said I could never see myself living that way(slave) but if you have seen my profile you will see that I started my life as a submissive.


I just read some of your profile (only the first page of journalisms as yet; I wanted to finish this post first.) It is utterly fascinating! What an interesting life you've lead so far. And it continues to be so, it seems. It is great luck to have an interesting life, even though such lives tend to have a lots of hardship in them as well.

quote:


I never saw it as hard, demanding, requiring much of my brain to do as I was told. Again yes I know there are very demanding Dom/mes out there ( I am one of them) but still to me it never seemed very hard. Learn the person fill their needs = simple.


Yes, I agree, that part of serving is relatively easy. Occasionally you encounter someone who makes ordinary "complex" seem like operating a corn-popper push toy, however. Learning them takes time! But the really hard part for me, or at least I anticipate this to be so, is doing _whatever_ I am told. Whatever is a term broader than the Milky Way. And I'm human, I'm weak, I have fears. But I also have this inner goal/vocation/need/whatever that pushes me ever-onward. So, to quote a friendly Death Knight, I PRESS ON. [;)]

quote:


I agree with you too about the thoughts that lurk under the common brain waves of the average person, but I don't want to have to beat a "slave" into telling what they are thinking either. It might be something I didn't think was worth the effort, then I might kill them. *laugh here* That was a joke.


:D I like your sense of humor. I may have lost the train of conversation here, but why would you have to beat a slave into telling you what they are thinking? Why wouldn't they joyfully volunteer it? In a certain sense, you're god to them. And we all want our gods to know and understand us.

quote:


I still haven't figured out how to get away with killing someone and not ending up in jail.


Do not doubt that there are ways, lol. Humans are nothing if not ingenious. Keep in mind what Paul Maud'Dib said about that matter (although he wasn't referring to slaves, I'm sure it can be extended there):

The power to destroy a thing is the absolute control over it.

quote:


Errmm lets not talk about feet ok. One of the many things I truely can not stand is how many people ask me if they can kiss, lick, touch, my feet. I hate feet so blah touch mine and I will end up kicking you hahaha


LOL, gladly. A dominant woman who doesn't like foot-worship. You are an anomaly. You (femdoms) are all supposed to like it, you know. ;)

quote:


As to use and objectification these are things I love.


Those are wonderful things, indeed.

quote:


Oh and a funny note about the emails. I get many, more then I think anyone should in fact, from other doms(most men but a few women) that for some silly reason think I would make a wonderful sub. To clear the thought up...yes I did make a wonderful sub. An amazing pet. For one Man an outstanding slut(his word not mine) I know what it means to bend to the will of another. I choose to have others bend for me. And I wouldn't really call anyone lukewarm. I think for a lot of people it just has more to do with kink. There is nothing wrong with kink if you want it in a bedroom and no where else. I just think people should be more careful about picking the word they use to say who/what they are.


I think you get those sorts of emails because you are very beautiful and your first photo, especially, has a peaceful, soulful look to it that is often associated with submissives. So these dominants are hopeful. We are agreed once more on the issue of words and picking the correct ones for ourselves. To me, the meaning of words is extremely important, and wherever possible I try to avoid the vaguer terms or the ones that don't describe me completely.



MarcEsadrian -> RE: what is tpe? (5/7/2011 12:04:22 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: aromanholiday
quote:

ORIGINAL: MarcEsadrian
I can fully appreciate what you're saying here. To be intellectually fair, however, there is a "payoff" for the servile party, though it's one of intangibles, of what moves and binds the slave to his/her Master and creates a fulfilling symbiosis, even if terribly cruel, and as you say, "unfair". I could be wrong, but that is what the cumbersome notion of "exchange" is really attempting to hover around, I think; the psychologically fulfilling force of unequivocal dominance exchanged for the pleasures and utilities unequivocal servility provides.

Oh yes, good point! The servile party does get plenty, in my experience, of what they truly need. This sort of symbiosis reminds me a little of pilot fish and sharks, although I don't imagine that pilot fish feel the intense gratification that unrequited giving and service provides (although they do get their little bellies filled!)


I do feel the idea of symbiosis strikes a more accurate chord than "exchange". As you touched upon already, the concept of exchange can easily infer "transaction", and I think that's a dubious, if not subversive place to go philosophically, if you aspire toward totality in dominance and submission. I'll be the first person to admit that I can be an annoying textualist, but on the other hand, I do place value in the meanings of words, as trifling as that may seem to others. I think it was Einstein who said, "anyone who doesn't take truth seriously in small matters cannot be trusted in large ones, either." I find that line of thought quite wise. Nitpicking the value or meaning of terms and ideas often seems like small-time stuff to me, but in terms of a D/s relationship's greater gestalt, it's actually a big deal. Hence, my pet peeves with phrases like TPE.



MasterBenedict -> RE: what is tpe? (5/13/2011 6:23:21 PM)

It means that anything your master does to you is essentially OK as it has been agreed to in advance



PdxJ -> RE: what is tpe? (5/17/2011 7:56:54 AM)

Offering yourself and accepting a TPE life a huge step. It is not only life altering but life defining. Becoming a part of a TPE relationship as a slave means literally handing all of your decisions over to someone else. Yes, most Doms take a slaves opinions in to consideration when making most decisions especially those that directly influence the slaves life but, in the end, it is his decision and the slave must abide by it. It means living within someone elses rules – rules that the slave may find extremely strict, even alien.

What does a slave get from a M/s (or TPE) relationship? Honestly, I think the term TPE, or Total Power Exchange, is slightly misleading but I digress. Yes, a slave gifts her Master with her ‘power’, her choices, her freedom. The slave becomes responsible, in most cases, for her Masters home, its cleanliness, the cooking and most importantly – her Masters welfare. She becomes his student, his confidant and in many cases, his best friend. He, in return, accepts full responsibility for her. He makes her choices, he guides her through life, he becomes her protector, her mentor, teacher, and is ultimately responsible for his slaves welfare.

The M/s relationship is a give and take relationship. The Master completes the slave, the slave completes the Master and that is just looking at it from a material world perspective. Yes, many people in the vanilla world will insist a marriage is just that but I have yet to see a marriage as structured, as loving, and as trusting as a M/s (TPE) relationship.

Stepping beyond the material world, beyond the day to day monotony – we find ourselves within a more base existence. A raw, core, primal place – that place you whisper about in the dark as you fantasize about what could be; about what you feel in your soul you need to feel complete. And yet, by light of day you may feel guilty, even disgust at the mention of such thoughts.

What would your mother think?
The M/s relationship removes that disgust, that guilt at such thoughts.

You may find you may just be . . . . . . . normal(?) after all.

The TPE tastes just as sweet within the dark confines of your deepest desires.
The slave, often a masochist at heart, and filled to over flowing with bizarre fantasies of being tied to a table and raped, being kidnapped or even of simply being beaten like an abused puppy and animalistically savaged afterward. Whatever her fantasies were, they weren’t ones she ever thought she could share with her track star boyfriend in high school as he fumbled beneath her blouse. No, these fantasies she kept to herself mulled them over and perfected them to enjoy again and again.

All the while, the Master had bitten back his base desire (hopefully) to savage his prom date after forcing her in to the trunk of his car to kidnap her. During high school shop class, his teacher questioned him about the odd contraptions he was experimenting on making. And his mother has scolded him for shaving the family cat not understanding when he said, “But, she looks better clean shaven”.  

TPE is the very essence of a symbiotic relationship.
Beyond that of the material world, the TPE delves within to complete your base desires. What marriage can claim that?


In my opinion, a TPE relationship is a completion on every level; it is the very essence of beauty.

Hmmmm. . . . . or maybe I've had to much coffee.



mnottertail -> RE: what is tpe? (5/17/2011 12:01:55 PM)

toilet paper emporium.



leadership527 -> RE: what is tpe? (5/18/2011 7:47:38 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: MasterBenedict
It means that anything your master does to you is essentially OK as it has been agreed to in advance

And this simple statement right here is where it all falls apart.

"anything", just like "total", is an extremely broad word. Sure, sure, we all know that "anything" probably doesn't include limb-hacking examples in most people's minds (yet in some it does). But what about more mundane things? I ran into an issue with Carol simply snapping my fingers at her to get her attention. This from the same woman who's OK with quite a few other things like, "What if I want to sell you?" In my experience there is so much subjectivity for both the receiver of the command and the giver that it's literally impossible to compare them when "total" starts to get approached. Judging from my own reactions to someone's self-identification as "TPE", I'm looking for SOME sort of extreme commitment to authority transfer in SOME vein that is relevant to the couple so identifying, but it's really squishy in terms of how exactly that commitment shows up. I know it when I see it.

quote:

Pdxj said:
the TPE delves within to complete your base desires. What marriage can claim that?

Uh... any good marriage? Say, for instance, mine for the 12 years prior to the collaring? Or maybe my parents' marriage that's gone 40 years now? Good committed partners make good committed relationships. Conversely, I've seen a RAFT of "TPE" relationships come and go that wouldn't even pass muster as "just friends" in my world much less a committed primary relationship. Crappy partners make crappy relationships.

By the way, Carol is not overflowing with any sort of sexual fantasy... bizarre or otherwise. In fact, that attribute right there might be enough for me to rule someone out as "slave material". There, doesn't THAT show how subjective the word "total" can be?



ranja -> RE: what is tpe? (5/18/2011 8:13:28 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: PdxJ
the TPE delves within to complete your base desires. What marriage can claim that?


ah bless
my Husband pissed all over me yesterday morning
while i was mopping the kitchen floor

pissing on Him is not an option
are we just married and having fun
or are we in TPE ?
(and obviously not 'Total Piss Exchange' as it only goes one way)



Awareness -> RE: what is tpe? (5/18/2011 12:59:24 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: MarcEsadrian
I think you misunderstand. I don't think using terms like Master and slave to describe the components of TPE is the result of approximation, but good logic; it's in fact quite accurate to use these terms, as the initialism is synonymic with M/s.
  No.  All terms are subjective approximations to a complex meaning which sits inside the heads of every individual.  Thus, when speaking about M/s, it's a vague, insubstantial idea, not a concrete reality, simply because the final and ultimate meaning is one each individual determines for themselves.


quote:

That's interesting, as I possess your sentiment in reverse. Deeming a slave's commitment and obedience as "simple law" is what sounds mystical, if not glossing over things somewhat naively. She has responsibility to the dynamic through her engaged consensual behavior and toward maintaining her transparency; that's not window dressing or fancy mumbo jumbo; it's the complex psychological reality of adherence to ideological commitment, which extends beyond hot, obedient sex. Those who don't understand or appreciate this will, frankly, fail in honing and maintaining Master and slave outside of the bedroom.
  Oh nonsense.  That is mystical.  The slave does not obey due to ideological commitment.  She obeys because she intensely desires to please her master, disappointing him causes her pain and if she fails she's fully aware that there are consequences.  Some also extend beyond this because they desire to excel, but there's nothing ideological about it.  The slave responds to pleasure and pain.  That is all.



quote:

It's not that I necessarily disagree with what you've said above (although this statement could certainly be explored), but the point being made was missed, I think, and perhaps that's my fault. I was illustrating that the mandate of complete responsibility juxtaposed against "total power" presents an additional logical contradiction. If I am ideally bound to having complete responsibility for the slave in all things, I logically do not possess "total power". The "reality check" cuts both ways; if total power is delusional and unrealistic, so too must be the notion of total responsibility being exchanged for it. Both ideas (total power and complete freedom from responsibility) are effectively problematic in the real world.
  Total Power is a complete and utter illusion.  If nothing else, the dictates of a Master's own mind forbid it.  Essentially, unless your mastery of yourself is total and complete, you cannot possess total power over another.  The desire to try and express one's mastery in such terms is juvenile.  Somewhat akin to the jostling for hierarchical position that slaves tend to exhibit against subs.

In short, much of this discussion is a variation upon a theme in which one Dominant attempts to demonstrate his notions of <random_subject_x> are more extreme than those of another.  Simply accepting the reality that any term will be subject to endless semantic debate and that consequently all terms are approximations with complex shades of meaning to each individual is a more adult way to deal with the contention.  I find myself perpetually amused by the tendency for Domes/Dommes to constantly try and demonstrate their extremity relative to their peers.



MarcEsadrian -> RE: what is tpe? (5/19/2011 4:36:27 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Awareness
All terms are subjective approximations to a complex meaning which sits inside the heads of every individual.  Thus, when speaking about M/s, it's a vague, insubstantial idea, not a concrete reality, simply because the final and ultimate meaning is one each individual determines for themselves.

Subjectivity does not equal insubstantiability; it involves meaning in proportion for each individual, and to that end, the relativist must concede he can't use his own relativist philosophy to assert it absolutely for others, for that often not only leaves us nowhere in terms of communication, but presents a difficult loop to defend, as Socrates pointed out to Protagoras.

That nonsense aside, I'll agree there is a certain amount of wiggle room for words and ideas, but its space is inevitably limited on an intellectual level, whether you wish to see that or not.


quote:

ORIGINAL: Awareness
The slave does not obey due to ideological commitment.  She obeys because she intensely desires to please her master, disappointing him causes her pain and if she fails she's fully aware that there are consequences. 

Don't get me wrong, because I agree with the above statement, but if everything is relative, insubstantial and as vague as you say, how do you come to even this conclusion? What you assert above is an ideology unto itself. Saying the slave does not do this or does do that is the base of an ideology, personal or otherwise.


quote:

ORIGINAL: Awareness
The slave responds to pleasure and pain.  That is all.

We all respond to pleasure and pain. Your description of slavery needs to go much farther than this, and it can, without stepping on subjective toes. Even if it does, that doesn't mean it's necessarily false.


quote:

ORIGINAL: Awareness
Total Power is a complete and utter illusion. 

And somewhere in the mix one surely must conclude that total absence of responsibility in exchange for it must be, too. That was the crux of my comment, in response to your claim that slaves abandon all responsibility in TPE. If you've been paying attention, I'm not much of a fan of the word "total" either. In fact, the entire initialism is faulty, but it's clear to me TPE is describing the M/s ideal simply in another way.



Page: <<   < prev  1 2 3 [4]

Valid CSS!




Collarchat.com © 2025
Terms of Service Privacy Policy Spam Policy
6.445313E-02