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LdyS -> RE: Its all about me ... (5/10/2006 9:39:56 PM)

Very interesting discussion, thank you for the thread.

Clarity of communication cannot be stressed enough – I always let the submissive or bottom or slave know the stakes: Sometimes it is My Way of Highway. Please me or why should I bother?  Sometimes there is clear negotiation and lots of words (no marks, no blood, no ER –no - whatever– ) and a great time had by all.  Sometimes not so specific: “Do whatever you want to please yourself Mistress, Please use me.”  My very favorite submissive morsel agrees to suffer for me and trusts me to do him no harm.  Once the rope goes on he is virtually speechless. I know him, he knows me. Trust has been earned over time.  I read him well.

With others, there is no such trust implied. My dominance (so I have been told) is apparent. There are certain types of submissives attracted to it. Then it is more casual, “play”.  I often enjoy introducing a newbie to the local bdsm communities(s) and will do a show and tell from my toy bag based on his wildest fantasies and on line experiences. Truly, what I do  with someone just met at a munch or online, or some one in town briefly known a long time on line late night conversations does not have the same level of energy nor the same give and take that defines power exchange. To me, Power Exchange defines relationship. Yet a good time was had by all. No harm done at all.

It is always about me. Often I want to reach to touch or move or excite or create a memorable sensation for someone else. Sometimes I just want to hit someone until I feel better. Frequently it is a bit of both. If I have made the right choices, the submissive I am using at the moment is the one most and best suited to my needs. The joy for me is finding someone who knows what he needs and wants and they are the top ten thousand on my favorites list. When our needs mesh then power is exchanged. 

Responsible domination means that I know where I am, where my mood is, what I want from the scene.  Responsible domination means I take care not to harm my playtoy in getting what I want…emotionally or physically.   I value my toys and my pleasures and take active care of my favorite things, submissives included.  All the better to use them again another time.

Thank you for the opportunity to share some thoughts on this topic. Best wishes. LdyS



IronBear -> RE: Its all about me ... (5/10/2006 10:35:48 PM)

What I am enjoying in this thread, is the adult, commonsense posts. I’ll explain my earlier comments for a couple who contacted me perplexed.. As far as a collar goes (House Iron Bear) it is all about House Iron Bear. The all about us piece happens long before a collar is offered or agreed to. That is the time when we all get to know each other and find out want the expectations are…. Once the collar is on it all about the owner nothing more or less….This applies just the same when either Neets or I decide to recollar a girl in the House Collar into our own personal collars.



buffiyum -> RE: Its all about me ... (5/10/2006 10:47:54 PM)

Perhaps the crux of the matter is this: for each of Uus, we seek certain things from this Lifestyle..... Wwe will continue to search for whatever that is, which makes Uus each 'happy', until it is found. For some submissives/slaves, that may mean serving without thought of self, ever (although one has not actually met anyone like this in r/l).... for others it may mean serving a One who they are trusting of to understand that even slaves have needs (being yet people), and care about those needs (note buffy is not saying 'desires' but 'needs'), as well as Their own.... for still others it is serving a One in a negotiated manner wherein the 'submissive' maybe decide each time she is ask (not told) to do something, as to whether she will do it or not.  The dynamic between two (or more) people is just that,.... an interaction between Tthem, not anyone else. The whole thing is to find the  Oone who  each  can 'connect' well with, one believe and that includes the sharing of key beliefs and expectations of what the Lifestyle means to all those involved.
one has served Many at events and at times, been told to do things that she is not fond of doing but she has done it because she wish to be pleasing. That said, if she was in a relationship and if she was being told to do those things all the time and not have anything being done which she like as well, despite communicating any concern about this to the One(s) she is serving, then chances are very good that such a relationship would not survive.  There has to be a little (note the word little), give-and-take, not just take-take-take.
However, having had some experience now in the Lifestyle, one would not enter such a relationship as M/s with a One unless and until she had had enough experiences and knowledge of Him so that she such concerns were 'moot'.
respectfully
this is buffy



Smythe -> RE: Its all about me ... (5/11/2006 5:15:54 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: darq

I disagree.

Its not a little more about the Dominant than it is about the submissive ...

Thats just not realistic.

Sometimes, in any committed relationship, it will be more about one person than the other. But that scale tends to slide back and forth ... Its natural for this to happen ... And besides that, the OP was not about people who are currently in relationships; although a lot of ya'll have seemed to feel the need to come forward and defend your relationships.

The OP was about single people, namely dominants, who have the attitude "Its all about me!" and then bitch and moan when they can't find anyone who'll put up with them.



I agree with you about those who are seeking a partner and have that obnoxious attitude. And maybe this is another thread entirely, but I still don't see how a 50-50 relationship constitutes a Ds connection. I tell my boy to do something or wear something and he does that. He does not tell me what to do or wear. When I enter the house, he is kneeling. I am not kneeling when he comes in. It's not *all about me* but I am the conductor on our train :)

Smythe





Lashra -> RE: Its all about me ... (5/11/2006 5:29:56 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: darq

You know, I have no problem with people being picky ..

Its when they complain about not being able to find anyone who fits their ideal of the 'perfect' mate and then try to blame it on everyone else instead of looking within.

You hit the nail on the head. They are so in love with themselves that no one else can compare. If you want to be loved and respected you have to earn it and give in return.

~Lashra



piscess -> RE: Its all about me ... (5/11/2006 5:47:32 AM)

He has the control and authority

We both would have responsibility for the relationship.

The control is His, the relationship would be ours.

piscess




Wulfchyld -> RE: Its all about me ... (5/11/2006 5:57:47 AM)

darq, how many times do we have to go over this? It can’t all be about him or any other Dom. Because I know the universe revolves around me. I bought this damn video game and you are all just OOP’s in my game. Very cunning piece of work if I do say.
Seriously darq, the only “all about me” is masturbation. It also doubles as self improvement. We, together, are yin & yang, I am Master you are slave, I am Dom you are sub, I am Man and you are woman, and so on and so forth. We as individuals define ourselves by the name, what ever your belief, the creator gave us… Me. Without you there is just me. Without others around us there are no descriptive, just me. When you bump into the “all about me” Dom, just shine him on baby girl and know that there is someone who will love you and make it “all about us”.  



valeca -> RE: Its all about me ... (5/11/2006 6:10:09 AM)

Edited in favour of:

There are two views of this that I can see.

1) Tunnel Vision Dominants:  "It's all about me.  Period"  They can't/won't see beyond this statement.

2) The "Big Picture" Dominant:  "It's all about me and your service to me.  My rules be followed and you will fulfill my needs/wants/desires.  Inside that structure, your needs/.wants/desires will be met."

There are some really insighful posts in this thread and it has been a pleasure to read each and every one.



becca333 -> RE: Its all about me ... (5/11/2006 6:19:44 AM)

I always feel it's about me - I'm getting so much pleasure, and the Dom does all the hard work.  I have the emotional freedom, and I can revel in such wonderful sensations, and in all the attention I'm getting - he has to think, and plan, and stay in control.  I'm getting by far the better end of the deal - and that makes me really want to give him more pleasure, to show my gratitude.

I've mentioned this to several Doms, who've assured me they're having fun in their own way.

As for the sad complaint from certain Doms that they can't find proper subs - they remind me of the guys who assume that all women who turn them down are lesbians.  Some men seem to meet a LOT of lesbians.



RavenMuse -> RE: Its all about me ... (5/11/2006 6:27:32 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: valeca
2) The "Big Picture" Dominant:  "It's all about me and your service to me.  My rules be followed and you will fulfill my needs/wants/desires.  Inside that structure, your needs/.wants/desires will be met."


By george I think she's got it Holmes!

[:D]

Quite, it is my way or the highway but that doesn't mean her needs are not relivant. It isn't just about what I want, but about what I take responcibility for. Needs not being met on either side is a problem and guess where I see the buck stopping for being the one responsible for addressing a problem within the relationship... yep, ME!



darq -> RE: Its all about me ... (5/11/2006 7:30:10 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Wulfchyld

darq, how many times do we have to go over this? It can’t all be about him or any other Dom. Because I know the universe revolves around me. I bought this damn video game and you are all just OOP’s in my game. Very cunning piece of work if I do say.
Seriously darq, the only “all about me” is masturbation. It also doubles as self improvement. We, together, are yin & yang, I am Master you are slave, I am Dom you are sub, I am Man and you are woman, and so on and so forth. We as individuals define ourselves by the name, what ever your belief, the creator gave us… Me. Without you there is just me. Without others around us there are no descriptive, just me. When you bump into the “all about me” Dom, just shine him on baby girl and know that there is someone who will love you and make it “all about us”.  


I think I'm getting a forum crush on Loki ... That post gave me the shivers.


quote:

ORIGINAL: becca333

I always feel it's about me - I'm getting so much pleasure, and the Dom does all the hard work.  I have the emotional freedom, and I can revel in such wonderful sensations, and in all the attention I'm getting - he has to think, and plan, and stay in control.  I'm getting by far the better end of the deal - and that makes me really want to give him more pleasure, to show my gratitude.

I've mentioned this to several Doms, who've assured me they're having fun in their own way.

As for the sad complaint from certain Doms that they can't find proper subs - they remind me of the guys who assume that all women who turn them down are lesbians.  Some men seem to meet a LOT of lesbians.


Becca, I know exactly what you mean.

On a logical level, I know I give a lot to a Dominant. I've been told by ex Masters/Doms that I'm one of the easiest to dominate women they know and I've been told that I'm not a bedroom oriented submissive, I'm a service oriented one. Looking back, yes, I can agree with them even though I still feel that when I'm in the relationship with the right Dom everything clicks so well and I'm in heaven.

When I'm with the right Dom, it doesn't feel like I'm doing anything special or anything out of the ordinary ... It feels like HE's doing so much for me,  like I'm so special to him, I can hardly contain myself. I feel treasured, loved, desired and hell yeah, I feel owned but not in that trapped with no way out sense of the word.

When I meet a Dom or Domme and one of the first things they say coming out of the gate is, "Oh, its my way or the highway; suck it up, princess because its all about me," I think ... Pfft, hope you enjoy being single. Attitude speaks volumes, especially when you don't know someone by anything other than the words on a screen.

I'm very selective ... I wouldn't want a Dominant who isn't just as selective as I am. However, I would *never* approach a Dominant and say to him, "Treat me like a princess or I'll just go find someone who will." Nevermind that I do expect to be treated well by the man I submit to, its all about how I present my expectations.

Being Dominant doesn't give you the right to be rude, hateful or arrogant and expect submissives to fall all over you for it ... It doesn't generally impress anyone when you have that attitude. Even Gorean Masters(I only mention Goreans at this point because I know there are Goreans who are reading this thread), who can be just about as arrogant as you'd ever want to meet, bear in mind that owning a girl means sometimes you have to make decisions that aren't all about him.

Now, I do have to wonder where all those whiney single people are. They usually have so much to say on every other thread but when someone finally gives them a thread of their very own, they are NOWHERE to be found. Kind of makes me laugh ...

I have enjoyed some of the replies here though. Even if most of you are defending your own relationships ... If you're in a relationship and it works for you, great ... But most of you have even said its not *ALWAYS* all about one or the other.

So, come on single people ... Do you have an "Its all about me." attitude? Well, like Dr Phil says, hows that workin for ya? (Secretly has a love/hate relationship with Dr Phil ... lol)



Proprietrix -> RE: Its all about me ... (5/11/2006 8:16:23 AM)


I am an "It's all about me" Dominant. And in my home, and my relationships, it is indeed, My way or the highway. Part of it being "All about me" is that the subs/slaves I choose derive their fulfillment in serving me. If I wanted an egalitarian relationship based on equality of both parties, I'd be.... vanilla. That's not what I'm into. I'm into Power Exchange, with *me* being the one with the power.

I was a submissive for many years. In all that time, I never once thought "What about *ME*?" My fulfillment came from providing good service, having the privilege of being in someone's collar, and making my owners happy and comfortable. It was "all about them".

As a Dominant, I'm not in this lifestyle to see how many subbie fantasies I can make come true. I'm not a sub's personal flogging machine. I'm not their rent-a-Domme. I'm not their bondage facilitator. I'm not their cum dumpster. If a sub/slave has a laundry lists of kinks, fetishes, and personal desires they need fulfilled, they simply don't fit in my collar. This is not a 50/50 relationship.
That doesn't mean I'm abusive to my subs/slaves. I'm not going to ignore them if they have a legitimate need. But they do know up front that the power exchange arrangement is centered around me and my desires, because I am the Mistress, and they are the slave.

I have a standard of what I seek (loyal, dedicated subs/slaves, who derive an inner peace and fulfillment from pleasing me.) If they don't have that, they aren't what I'm looking for. That doesn't mean I'm looking for a cookie-cutter sub. It just means that the sub/slaves I take meet certain requirements. It also doesn't mean I expect *all* submissives and slaves to instantly kneel before me. I only expect that from *my* collared ones (and sometimes from others in very high protocol settings with an exclusive group). I don't try to make other submissives and slaves fit into what I want, but within *my* relationships, it is about me and my comfort and my pleasure. What they get out of it is having their inner need to serve fed, and the privilege of being in my collar and a part of my home.

Do I complain about not being able to find what I want? Sometimes. But I don't see complaining about something as translating into anything more than complaining. I'd be reading too much into a person if I sat back analyzing why they are complaining and how that relates to their inner character as a person.
Some people have certain expectations in a car. "I want an XYZ model that gets 40 miles/gallon, but damn it, I can't find it in any local car lots." I don't take that as them setting unrealistic expectations and then whining. I take it as they want XYZ model and haven't found it yet. No different than someone bitching about not being able to afford a plasma screen TV or college tuition. They might be saving up for it, but in the meantime, they complain about not being able to afford it yet. That doesn't make them some evil sinister person. It just means they are expressing their feelings about their current situation.



slavejali -> RE: Its all about me ... (5/11/2006 8:23:29 AM)

I really like your posts Proprietrix, your explanation above is pretty much what it means to me to be with a Dominant partner....its being in that kind of relationship that makes me a slave.



cloudboy -> RE: Its all about me ... (5/11/2006 8:32:23 AM)


I like what protagonistlily had to say:

http://www.collarchat.com/m_282567/mpage_1/key_fun/tm.htm#282593

quote:

If I were to pass along friendly advice, I'd say do what makes you happy and keeps it fun for everyone involved.


I also think she makes an interesting distinction between play partners and lovers. Where lovers are concerned, it can't always be the "my way or the highway" approach, it has to be what works for TWO (2) people. But with play partners, they can stay in role (all about the DOM) and then have time to find what they really need for themselves on the side in their real lives.

If one of two people in a relationship isn't happy, it isn't going to work.

Funny, although you were a sub, you not longer are. Seems like you switched and probably had a good reason to do it.



crouchingtigress -> RE: Its all about me ... (5/11/2006 8:39:58 AM)

I was a submissive for many years. In all that time, I never once thought "What about *ME*?" My fulfillment came from providing good service, having the privilege of being in someone's collar, and making my owners happy and comfortable. It was "all about them".

wow never?
 







darq -> RE: Its all about me ... (5/11/2006 8:54:28 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Proprietrix


I am an "It's all about me" Dominant. And in my home, and my relationships, it is indeed, My way or the highway. Part of it being "All about me" is that the subs/slaves I choose derive their fulfillment in serving me. If I wanted an egalitarian relationship based on equality of both parties, I'd be.... vanilla. That's not what I'm into. I'm into Power Exchange, with *me* being the one with the power.

I was a submissive for many years. In all that time, I never once thought "What about *ME*?" My fulfillment came from providing good service, having the privilege of being in someone's collar, and making my owners happy and comfortable. It was "all about them".
 
When I see a submissive talk like that, the first thing I think is ... Wow, lacking a bit in the humility (and perhaps honesty) department there aren't we, love? Do I get pleasure from pleasing my dominant? Well, yeah ... If I didn't, I wouldn't be a submissive. I'd just be into kinky sex.
 
I don't believe that a submissive or slave can serve a dominant for any length of time and *never* once think, hmm what about me? It is human nature to look out for number one ... As submissives, we try to temper human nature with self control, humility and then there's also, for many, that natural desire to be of service.


As a Dominant, I'm not in this lifestyle to see how many subbie fantasies I can make come true. I'm not a sub's personal flogging machine. I'm not their rent-a-Domme. I'm not their bondage facilitator. I'm not their cum dumpster. If a sub/slave has a laundry lists of kinks, fetishes, and personal desires they need fulfilled, they simply don't fit in my collar. This is not a 50/50 relationship.
That doesn't mean I'm abusive to my subs/slaves. I'm not going to ignore them if they have a legitimate need. But they do know up front that the power exchange arrangement is centered around me and my desires, because I am the Mistress, and they are the slave.

I have a standard of what I seek (loyal, dedicated subs/slaves, who derive an inner peace and fulfillment from pleasing me.) If they don't have that, they aren't what I'm looking for. That doesn't mean I'm looking for a cookie-cutter sub. It just means that the sub/slaves I take meet certain requirements. It also doesn't mean I expect *all* submissives and slaves to instantly kneel before me. I only expect that from *my* collared ones (and sometimes from others in very high protocol settings with an exclusive group). I don't try to make other submissives and slaves fit into what I want, but within *my* relationships, it is about me and my comfort and my pleasure. What they get out of it is having their inner need to serve fed, and the privilege of being in my collar and a part of my home.

Do I complain about not being able to find what I want? Sometimes. But I don't see complaining about something as translating into anything more than complaining. I'd be reading too much into a person if I sat back analyzing why they are complaining and how that relates to their inner character as a person.

Some people have certain expectations in a car. "I want an XYZ model that gets 40 miles/gallon, but damn it, I can't find it in any local car lots." I don't take that as them setting unrealistic expectations and then whining. I take it as they want XYZ model and haven't found it yet. No different than someone bitching about not being able to afford a plasma screen TV or college tuition. They might be saving up for it, but in the meantime, they complain about not being able to afford it yet. That doesn't make them some evil sinister person. It just means they are expressing their feelings about their current situation.
 
But it *is* different ... Cars, collge tuition, plasma screen TVs all have one thing in common. They are inanimate. They don't have emotions therefore, there is no relationship between yourself and those things. Or at least there shouldn't be, if you're an emotionally healthy individual.


The reason I stick with D/s even after all the hell I've been through in trying to find the right Master, is because of the emotional connection I feel when its right. Without that emotional connection, the sex is meaningless, the service is meaningless, the whole entire thing is meaningless.
 
If it were truely *all about being of service and pleasing my Dom* then any Dom would do ... As long as I was physically capable of performing the tasks that were pleasing to him, it wouldn't matter who he was or what kind of person he was. I could just randomly choose a Dom on this site or any other.
 
Or hell, for that matter, why choose a Dom? I could just choose any man ... I could walk out my front door, grab one of the men off the street and devote the rest of my life and energy to pleasing him. I'm sure he'd enjoy it and it wouldn't matter if he ever did or said anything fulfilling to me because, hell, I'm a submissive and my life is about being pleasing to him.
 
No disrespect, but seriously, thats how it comes across sometimes ...



cloudboy -> RE: Its all about me ... (5/11/2006 9:31:33 AM)


I think this thread is the submissive's rebuttal to the old thread "Your Perfect Sub, " in the Ask a Mistress category.

http://www.collarchat.com/m_317957/mpage_1/key_perfect%2Csub/tm.htm

In your post, you express the very thing I tried unsuccessfully to argue to a series of FEMDOMs, that:

"Without that emotional connection, the sex is meaningless, the service is meaningless, the whole entire thing is meaningless."




Proprietrix -> RE: Its all about me ... (5/11/2006 9:54:31 AM)


I don't understand why it's so hard for people to understand that there are submissives and slaves out there who really have no desire to say "what about me". They aren't looking for the bigger better deal and gauging their relationships on what they get in return. They aren't holding out for "the perfect Dominant", because they've learned that no one is perfect. They aren't running down some checklist in their mind of "this desire will be fulfilled, this asset will be acquired, this set of emotions will be obtained."

There really are submissives out there who find contentment in just being safely kept in their owner's collar. They are content with the simplicity of making someone else smile each day. They aren't out to make some "dream come true" because they've learned how to make the best out of even a not-so-perfect situation. They know how to love the one they serve instead of holding a measuring cup of how much they are getting in return. Their happiness with their inner self really does come in the form of being pleasing to their Master or Mistress.

Yes, they get sick, or have financial difficulties at times, or experience family needs they cannot meet, or sometimes doubt their success. That's called being human. But they don't internalize those situations as "Now it's about me." Rarely do they say "I've served Master faithfully for 4 years, and now it's his turn to tend to me." or "I worked when Mistress wanted to stay home, so now it's her turn to pay for my expenses." In fact, most of them think more along the lines of "How will I be able to serve Master properly when I am in bed with the flu?" or "How can I be there to serve Mistress her morning coffee when I have to stay over at my ill sister's house?" Because their submission comes deep from within. It isn't a role that they are playing when it's convenient for them or when they are getting their fetishes met.

For these types of submissives and slaves, their only need *is* making their owner happy. Instead of a laundry list of kink needs, and financial needs, and romantic needs, and sexual needs, and (insert need here), they have one simple need: to please Master. They don't have the need to say "What about me?" because that need has already been met and is symbolic in the form of Master's collar locked around their throat. There's no more personal needs to be addressed. The relationship in and of itself fulfills them.



cloudboy -> RE: Its all about me ... (5/11/2006 10:14:56 AM)


I think what you describe is a recipe for turnover and part timers. I don't really see it as a recipe for sustainable intimacy, which is what most people want and need, save for Veronicaofml, who was quite the odd bird.



darq -> RE: Its all about me ... (5/11/2006 11:26:55 AM)

I've been thinking a bit how best to respond.

I would like to say, once again, that when I started this thread, it was never about 'relationships' ... It was about the unrealistic and rather snotty attitudes of dominants who say "Its all about me." and then wonder why they can't seem to find a submissive who wants to be with them. I would also like to say that pronouns I've used throughout this post refer to no one in particular ... When I say "you" I mean you in general.

Clearly, if you're already involved in a relationship, you did or said something to catch the other person's eye and get the ball rolling. Once you're in a relationship, the dynamic is something that evolves, changes, grows ... I would like to point out here that when I say the word relationship, I mean one where there's actually love, affection, intimacy and yes, domination and submission involved. I am not talking about having a slave come and do chores for you and serve you or even live with you and do chores for you and serve you. There is a huge difference between the two.

With that said, even if 'the relationship in itself fullfills them' they are still getting something out of it. Even if they don't actively think, "what about me" they're still getting something from being with that dominant. Otherwise, they would likely be with someone else. Turn that around and think about it this way ... If this submissive who never thinks "what about me" submits to a dominant and clearly they are being horribly abused, and yet they continue to serve is this really acceptable? Just because you would never abuse your submissive doesn't someone else wouldn't ...

Its healthy to think, every so often, of your own needs. If a submissive literally never thought of his or her own needs they might die of starvation or dehydration. They might never take the time to eliminate bodily waste. Unless of course they're being literally micromanaged and the dominant spends all of his or her time ensuring the submissive is actually doing the things necessary to continue living. Most dominants I've met have expressed a distaste for submissives that require micromanagement. (Yes, I'm going to extremes here but I think its pretty extreme to try and convince me that you've *never* once said ... What about me.)

But again, thats a relationship thing ...

I'm talking about people who present themselves with the rather crappy attitude of, "Its all about me." and then expect other people to be interested in them. What makes you so wonderful? Being dominant doesn't grant a person with superhuman greatness. It just means that your orientation, the one in which you are most comfortable and fullfilled is one of being dominant over another person. Being submissive doesn't make a person somehow less worthy of your time and attention than anyone else. It simply means that their orientation, the capacity in which they find themselves most fullfilled is one of submission to another person.

I'm sorry, but I seriously think that a lot of these dominants who maintain this attitude and this way of presenting themselves to others need to get a reality check. Being honest and up front is one thing. Being abrasive and rude and obnoxious is another entirely. Once you've established the relationship and the submissive genuinely cares about YOU then it BECOMES all about you.

But it aint all about you yet.

My ex used to tell me all the time that I needed to learn to be more assertive. He watched me struggle so much before I finally submitted to him, dealing with dominants who figured that since I was submissive, I should submit to them and be happy with my lot in life.

I may be a submissive, but I am not your submissive and until I choose to submit my will to yours, it is not all about you. Thats what this is about ... Not relationships that are already established and running well. Because once I've chosen to submit to someone, then yes they become the axis of my life. But to simply parade around as if I've already submitted to you, makes you look foolish.



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