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Wheldrake -> RE: Are you looking for a Dominant or a life coach? (5/7/2011 1:01:04 PM)

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ORIGINAL: ParappaTheDapper
I've never really wanted a guru, personally but for those of you who do look for leadership qualities and all that (and there's nothing wrong with that at all, some people crave that jive) do you ever stop and evaluate whether you've reached the point at which you're really looking for a life coach more than a Dominant?

This paragraph puzzles me a bit because I think the roles of guru, leader (i.e. person with "leadership qualities") and life coach are all very different. The guru dispenses wisdom, the life coach gives out specific suggestions for self-improvement, and the leader directs others in accomplishing tasks. At least in the context of TPE-type relationships, it makes sense for the dominant to be able to "life coach" the submissive in living up to the dominant's expectations, and for the submissive to be as proactive as possible about making the required adjustments. In other words, it's the dominant who should decide whether the submissive needs fixing in the first place.

Anyone in a position of authority should ideally be a good leader, and that obviously includes dominants. If someone is going to be telling me what to do (either in detail, or just by assigning broad goals and expecting me to work towards them) then that person had better be a solid decision maker who can communicate his or her wishes clearly and firmly.




pyroaquatic -> RE: Are you looking for a Dominant or a life coach? (5/7/2011 8:40:33 PM)

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ORIGINAL: uncertainlyizzy

Some people aren't looking for someone to "fix" them. They're looking for someone to hold their hand and support them while they "fix" themselves. And then there are some things that just plain can't be "fixed". Most people are more successful in growth and change when they have a sturdy support system. 


Dingity!!

No one knows my inner workings better than myself. Self-repair is the only option.

I don't want a Savior but someone who can savor my flavor.




BonesFromAsh -> RE: Are you looking for a Dominant or a life coach? (5/8/2011 5:41:34 AM)


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ORIGINAL: pyroaquatic


I don't want a Savior but someone who can savor my flavor.



What a wonderful way of putting it. I hope you won't mind if I quote you.




subsfaith -> RE: Are you looking for a Dominant or a life coach? (5/8/2011 9:02:22 AM)

Oddly my master is a life coach!  He does control me and guide my way of course, but nothing nearly so formal as a life coaching session akin to what he gives his clients.

The logical workings of his mind was one of the reasons I was attracted to him in the first place, but I didn't need fixing




CalifChick -> RE: Are you looking for a Dominant or a life coach? (5/8/2011 9:55:44 AM)

I see what the OP is speaking of, fairly often online, not so much in real life.  When I get in a particularly masochistic mood, and start perusing profiles on the other side, whatever sparkle first caught my eye is quickly dimmed as I read through the rest of their profile, where they are looking for someone to completely transform into what they want.  I would think they would have better luck starting with a robot kit.

It all reads like so many trashy romance novels... girl down on her luck gets rescued by older, wiser plantation owner/shipping magnate (okay, pirate)/businessman, and his great wisdom guides her thru and past her previous poor choices as she blossoms into a beauty of grace and charm under his tutelage.

I think I just barfed in my mouth a little.

Cali




Palliata -> RE: Are you looking for a Dominant or a life coach? (5/8/2011 10:18:26 AM)

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ORIGINAL: CalifChick
I would think they would have better luck starting with a robot kit.


If only [;)]




leadership527 -> RE: Are you looking for a Dominant or a life coach? (5/8/2011 10:21:30 AM)

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ORIGINAL: CalifChick
It all reads like so many trashy romance novels... girl down on her luck gets rescued by older, wiser plantation owner/shipping magnate (okay, pirate)/businessman, and his great wisdom guides her thru and past her previous poor choices as she blossoms into a beauty of grace and charm under his tutelage. I think I just barfed in my mouth a little.

LOL. Yeah. that.

Of course, the problem with such a thing outside the confines of romance novels is that if the woman in question is, in fact, making poor life choices then it isn't going to be helpful to her to hook up with me romantically. If I chose to step in and help someone in this position, I'd be thinking that they aren't capable of making competent decisions... and that includes romantic entanglements... probably especially those. So I'd be disallowing any romantic involvement unless and until the poor decision making problem was handled.

In short, I'm good with helping people who need help. I'm just not good with helping them and banging them at the same time.




CalifChick -> RE: Are you looking for a Dominant or a life coach? (5/8/2011 10:24:55 AM)

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ORIGINAL: leadership527

I'm just not good with helping them and banging them at the same time.




[sm=writing.gif]   Makes note... never, ever, EVER ask leadership for... help.

Cali






TiedKat -> RE: Are you looking for a Dominant or a life coach? (5/10/2011 4:23:28 PM)

I find that my Master guides me in not just my submission, but in my general life to make me a better person overall. Master is not just a Master, but my lover, my rock, my pillow, everything/life/blahblahcutethings.

They aren't looking for a "Master/Dom" they might just be more looking for.. "the one", or whatever. [;)]


-course, should they just be asking for such straight out, that's what you can say trashy romance novellas. Master was just my "boyfriend" when we cared enough for each other to take on the titles listed above after Master before we took the slave/Master titles.

edited to add what my spacing out mind forgets.




NuevaVida -> RE: Are you looking for a Dominant or a life coach? (5/10/2011 11:00:27 PM)

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ORIGINAL: aromanholiday


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ORIGINAL: NuevaVida 

To touch on aromanholiday's comment, I did feel that way with my ex, so I understand that sentiment.  He took me up on it and left a pile of ashes. I look back on those days with intrigue.  Now, rather than burning up, I want to rise like the sun and shine so bright it's blinding.  Serving the Mister is allowing me to do that. 


You are aware, I hope, that not everybody is like your ex? And that this is a very good thing? [;)] Truly, from what I have read of you, he he sounds like he was no good for anyone, even himself. I've actually met fire before, without those sputtering defects, and I'll meet it again, of that I have not doubt.


I just saw this post - I hadn't returned to this thread until tonight.

Yes, I am fully aware he is a rare breed, which is a good thing.  I learned a great deal about myself from that experience, but sometimes the words of others spark a memory and I write of it...which probably isn't a good thing, because it feeds energy to something that's in the past.

I do believe to everything there is an opposite.  So I'm not surprised at all that your experience with fire was good.  I am not of the belief that a negative experience in my world means it must be negative in everyone's world.  Just as a positive experience for me does not mean it would be positive for everyone else.

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Your current man reminds me strongly of my "ex" (if you can call him that). Over those long years, I learned many lessons from him, some happy; some sad.


Even sad lessons can be good, depending on what we do with them. I'm grateful for all the lessons I've learned (and am still learning), even those that may have felt debilitating at the time.




fenikscro -> RE: Are you looking for a Dominant or a life coach? (5/11/2011 2:42:22 AM)

In short time(few months) I have been with my new Master&Mistress(who both are dedicated hard working people from what I've seen), I realized how inert in general when it comes to life I am, how I'm sometimes just wasting time pointlessly, but its my own duty to better myself and be a better student/guy/slave/whatever and none can do this besides me.

I don't need someone to fix me or do things instead of me, but guidence/help and inspiration from my dominants will always be more than welcome.




peachgirl -> RE: Are you looking for a Dominant or a life coach? (5/11/2011 7:31:31 AM)


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ORIGINAL: angelikaJ

There are often issues and/or situations that we will work together on, but there is a big difference between fixing and helping.




I think this is a healthier point of view than trying to find someone to fix your problems. I don't think a life coach will fix your problems anyway, only show you how you can do that yourself.

Our relationship requires transparency. If I have a problem, then I am required to reveal. Our relationship also has a bit of the Daddy dom element, so I am going to get help whether I like it or not.




ranja -> RE: Are you looking for a Dominant or a life coach? (5/11/2011 7:54:52 AM)


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ORIGINAL: ParappaTheDapper

I've never really wanted a guru,


i never wanted a guru either... i just need a man to take care of me...
... i can take care of myself, but it is not as much fun

you look like you need a poo




juliaoceania -> RE: Are you looking for a Dominant or a life coach? (5/11/2011 9:42:23 AM)


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ORIGINAL: ParappaTheDapper

It strikes me that a surprising number of subs (male and female, but almost always straight) I've spoken to present a list of qualities they are looking for in their perfect Dominant that make it sound like they're looking for someone to help them piece together the long gone order of a wrecked life. On the Other Side of CM (the journal entries) the number of "Dear internet my life is a goddamn mess I can haz it fix plz?" posts is even more staggering.

I've never really wanted a guru, personally but for those of you who do look for leadership qualities and all that (and there's nothing wrong with that at all, some people crave that jive) do you ever stop and evaluate whether you've reached the point at which you're really looking for a life coach more than a Dominant?



I am going to reply to this post instead of the others...

What you describe here isn't someone who is looking for a guru, or a lifecoach. It is someone who sounds screwed up to me, someone in need of mental help. If your life is really screwed up, why would you want to drag someone else down with you, whether you are a dominant or a submissive?

I am really into improving myself, being a better person today than I was yesterday. I would love to find a mate that was into bettering themselves, and bettering me as an extension of being a better person (and I would want to do the same for them), but I am not looking for someone to fix me, my pathetic life, etc etc etc. In my eyes, two halves do not make a whole, they make a hole to fall into. I do not need someone to complete me. Now other people view it differently, and if they are happy with doing it differently, go them! It just isn't what I see as healthy for me.


I will make the observation that it was those times I was looking for someone to save me from drowning that I only managed to get dragged down deeper by the other person's problems, or I dragged down my mate. It is really hard to play lifeguard when it comes to the pool of life.


Now, I love wise men, mind you, people with something to offer me, but if I am not already doing the best I can I fail to see how I would have anything to offer in return, except damaged goods. Such a person as I seek would surely have little use for a damaged person seeking a rescuer and not a mate




petmonkey -> RE: Are you looking for a Dominant or a life coach? (5/11/2011 12:54:04 PM)

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ORIGINAL: leadership527

If I chose to step in and help someone in this position, I'd be thinking that they aren't capable of making competent decisions... and that includes romantic entanglements... probably especially those. So I'd be disallowing any romantic involvement unless and until the poor decision making problem was handled.


This is the closest i've seen to how a healthy Mentor/student dynamic progresses, actually.  Rita can't fully complete her education until Rita doesn't need to rely on her teacher for guidance anymore.  Many of these types of dynamics stall and become deeply co-dependent because the participants feel an unconscious desire (out of some sort of fear oft times) for the original scenario to continually play-out rather than for it to grow into something new.

There are a lot of Dominants who are interested in these sorts of relationships because they want someone to need them, but when i've seen these dynamics done well, the Dominant's actual desire is for the sub to not need them.  Takes a hearty personality and a healthy psychological frame of mind to pull that off.





aromanholiday -> RE: Are you looking for a Dominant or a life coach? (5/11/2011 3:41:39 PM)

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ORIGINAL: NuevaVida
Yes, I am fully aware he is a rare breed, which is a good thing. I learned a great deal about myself from that experience, but sometimes the words of others spark a memory and I write of it...which probably isn't a good thing, because it feeds energy to something that's in the past.


Please understand I don't know this person except from the few things I've seen you post, and I mean no offence, but from what you've
said I wouldn't exactly call him a "rare breed." I'd call him mentally and emotionally ill, and that is all too common a breed in this world. Learning lessons about _yourself_ from such a teacher does not sound to me like the best of strategies: all you can learn in such a situation, honestly, is how you respond to emotionally ill people. Deciding a very specific case represents something much broader is an all too common flaw of reasoning, and we all do it, but its popularity doesn't equate to insight or learning.

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I do believe to everything there is an opposite. So I'm not surprised at all that your experience with fire was good. I am not of the belief that a negative experience in my world means it must be negative in everyone's world. Just as a positive experience for me does not mean it would be positive for everyone else.


Opposites is a bit too mystical for me. The concept's binary nature (positive/negative) sometimes oversimplifies and lends confusion to subjects that have a more mutifaceted or complex reality. As I said above, I have observed that there are people out there who can successfully impose extremely oppressive total control in a manner that does not destroy the object it is directed toward. Such people, also in my observation, tend to lack traits of emotional illness. So, to me, a negative experience with a specific emotionally ill person has nothing whatsoever to do with one's liking or not liking a much more general experience such as "fire" (or totalitarian control) nor with your tastes being different than mine, it is simply a negative experience with an emotionally ill person.

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Even sad lessons can be good, depending on what we do with them.


Precisely my point.




NuevaVida -> RE: Are you looking for a Dominant or a life coach? (5/11/2011 8:09:42 PM)

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ORIGINAL: aromanholiday

Please understand I don't know this person except from the few things I've seen you post, and I mean no offence, but from what you've
said I wouldn't exactly call him a "rare breed." I'd call him mentally and emotionally ill, and that is all too common a breed in this world.



I was using "rare breed" a bit facetiously.  I am not at all offended by your words.   I don't like focusing on the negative of the past - in fact, I took great care to not allow myself to become bitter from some past experiences.  So my choice of words is made in an effort to support my need to not focus on the negative.  He was an emotional sadist.  Whether or not he is mentally ill is up to the professionals who determine such things.  In retrospect I can say he was not a good person, but I'm in a different place in my life now, and what he is has no baring on me.  I've moved on...

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Learning lessons about _yourself_ from such a teacher does not sound to me like the best of strategies: all you can learn in such a situation, honestly, is how you respond to emotionally ill people. Deciding a very specific case represents something much broader is an all too common flaw of reasoning, and we all do it, but its popularity doesn't equate to insight or learning.



I disagree.  I grew up in negative conditions, spent time married to an actually mentally ill person, and went from the frying pan into the fire with the sadistic owner referenced above.  Once free of all that, I learned an enormous deal about myself.  Some of it was learned in therapy, some of it on travels alone, some of it through books - - but I had my experiences to reflect on during my "soul searching" (for lack of a better term). I will spare writing a book about it all here in this post, but suffice to say, through my past experiences I discovered what works for me, what does not work for me, what I want for myself, what I like, and who the "real" me is, that will not be stifled again.  I learned who I am.

I wouldn't call being with those unkind people a strategy for learning; but I chose to learn about myself as a result of those experiences.  I could have chosen to do something else, but I had to come out from it all a happy, healthy, peaceful person.  So I did what I needed to, to achieve that.


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Opposites is a bit too mystical for me. The concept's binary nature (positive/negative) sometimes oversimplifies and lends confusion to subjects that have a more mutifaceted or complex reality.

I was recalling some studies on Taoism when I wrote that.  Yes, people have multifaceted realities, of course.  I was speaking more in terms of universal philosophies (which I can understand may come across as mystical).  Up, down. Good, bad. Alive, dead.  Love, hate.  Open, closed. (I'm totally simplifying it here, btw). My point was that I understand my experiences with "fire" was unique to me, and proved to ultimately be unhealthy, but that it does not mean it would be the same for everyone else.  Hence, I was not surprised to see you say your experience with "fire" was good.

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As I said above, I have observed that there are people out there who can successfully impose extremely oppressive total control in a manner that does not destroy the object it is directed toward. Such people, also in my observation, tend to lack traits of emotional illness. So, to me, a negative experience with a specific emotionally ill person has nothing whatsoever to do with one's liking or not liking a much more general experience such as "fire" (or totalitarian control) nor with your tastes being different than mine, it is simply a negative experience with an emotionally ill person.

I think you simplify what my experience was.  I agree things can be done with people that, in the right context, would not cause them harm.  I also know myself quite well and know that "burning myself up completely for someone" as you referenced in your first post on this thread, would not suit me. I am now more suited to shining brightly and thriving happily, which is a kind of energy that feeds me.  This is not to disparage what works for you; it's simply me, knowing me. 





LillyBoPeep -> RE: Are you looking for a Dominant or a life coach? (5/11/2011 8:17:03 PM)

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ORIGINAL: ChatteParfaitt

This:

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ORIGINAL: uncertainlyizzy

Some people aren't looking for someone to "fix" them. They're looking for someone to hold their hand and support them while they "fix" themselves. And then there are some things that just plain can't be "fixed". Most people are more successful in growth and change when they have a sturdy support system. 



i can agree with that
i don't see why there has to be a distinction; in a long-term relationship, the partners often rely on each other. when M quit smoking, i was his support system and encouragement. when i was sad and frustrated, he was mine. but that was because we loved each other, not because either of us felt the need to "fix" the other.




kiwisub12 -> RE: Are you looking for a Dominant or a life coach? (5/12/2011 4:17:25 PM)

I came to my Sweetie as (i hope) a mentally healthy person. I didn't and don't need rescuing, and as in any relationship, there are things that i am better at than him, and things he is better at. We can help each other - hopefully in an equitable manner. Though i have to say, i think i am getting the better end of the deal in our relationship. :)





jewelsthepoet -> RE: Are you looking for a Dominant or a life coach? (5/12/2011 8:42:27 PM)

i love being a sub, but i do not need someone to manage my day to day existence. Sure, opinions are great, suggestions are welcome, but i have been living on my own for more than 20 years and don't need a life coach to help me "fix" all my problems. To me, that's not what a Dom is for. It's a relationship built on trust and love and respect. It's the complete package, everything a relationship should be. If He wishes to help me, that's His choice, but i've lived alone a long time and i may have a messed up life and wish it would just stop and something would fix it, i don't go looking for a Dom for that reason. i look to myself to fix my problems the best way i can.




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