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RE: In reality, how would you know if a female is submi... - 5/12/2011 8:33:38 AM   
Arturas


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ORIGINAL: ramzaruglia

Just want to ask this question, because I'm really not good at socializing. And if you're talking to a woman, how would you know that she's submissive or not? Are there any signs to look on? Facial expression?

Kindly help thanks...


All women are submissive to some man but not to all men. So how do you know? Well, all women will send signals in body language. They are wired to do this and in some cases have no idea they do this and in some cases they are very aware and enhance them. Your first job is to learn these signals and know what to do when you see them. For the submissive woman, the primary signals are common with vanilla dating; she will see you looking at her and she will immediately look down, not away, and may even preen at the same time. The looking down is automatic to a woman who is attracted to you initially and the preening is translated to "I am a woman, look at me, come get me". She is expecting you to approach her and this is where you show her you are unafraid and confidently approach her and then talk to her naturally to see if you have something in common. From there she will reject you and you are good because there are others or she will smile and focus on you and in not too long a time begin lightly touching you and you must touch her back very soon also in reply on the arm only as long as she touched you. From there she will furthur signal you by classic submissive moves like looking down at times and preening while exposing her neck to you with touches becoming more frequent and longer in time span with body touching coming into play almost by accident but clearly not.

Lets's stop right here because right here it gets non-vanilla. Acts like pulling her hair at this early stage is risky to say the least. I pulled tam's hair on our first date while taking a kiss but did not do so until well after dinner and after I read these and other signals mostly having to do with her body language. So, there are signals but no secret handshake that saves you the time or energy in obtaining your objective and hers.

To continue in the non-vanilla, submissives will test you in ways women do not so much do in vanilla dating. Once you transition to pulling hair and non-vanilla activities you will always undergo tests by any submissive, tests of your will, your nerve and your skills and knowlege. First will be a test of your will and you must not shrink from it or you will be rejected. But how do you do this while now knowing how she will react when you impose your will? For example, will she protest, will she scream, will she cry, will she fight? She may indeed as part of the test and the stress point for the Dom is "is she testing or is this for real?" and this is a second pucker point for the new Dom. But I used a simple technique to take this "power" away from the newly met submissive. You see, most think using safe words are only for sessions but now is a good time to employ one before you make any non-vanilla move on her. Before making a move reach up and firmly but gently hold her hair, look into her eyes and clearly tell here there is now a safe word she must remember, make her repeat it so she knows it has grave importance and you are serious about it and as a good first test of her willingness to obey and make sure she understands she need only voice it to stop any action and only then confidently begin your training/use/whatever knowing you no longer have to guess. This is from real life experience. I read this safe word tip years ago, possibly in the book "Save the Roses, Send Me the Thorns" which I would recommend along with "The Loving Dominant" both available on Amazon.

Perhaps this is more than you were asking for but I think not and I very much someone told me this when I began. Well wishes.

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RE: In reality, how would you know if a female is submi... - 5/12/2011 8:45:12 AM   
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But don't let Icarys catch you making with the drive-by commentary, too; that seems his specialty.

Whaaaaaaa? In the midst of apologizing you slam the next person?

What have I ever done to you, Focal?

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RE: In reality, how would you know if a female is submi... - 5/12/2011 8:47:20 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Arturas
in the book "Save the Roses, Send Me the Thorns"


LOL

Even after it's been pointed out to you SEVERAL times before, on several different topic, you STILL can't get the tittle of the beginners book you supposedly read right?

And you expect anybody to take you seriously?



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RE: In reality, how would you know if a female is submi... - 5/12/2011 8:57:26 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Ishtarr


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ORIGINAL: Arturas
in the book "Save the Roses, Send Me the Thorns"


LOL

Even after it's been pointed out to you SEVERAL times before, on several different topic, you STILL can't get the tittle of the beginners book you supposedly read right?

And you expect anybody to take you seriously?





You are right about the title. Seems I have a block on the title for some reason but its been a while since I read it. Thanks for pointing that out as I do hate for someone to not find it using wrong information I have given them.

I'm sharing what I know and what has worked to the OP and if you think getting a book title wrong makes everything I say wrong that's a personal choice I respect your right to make.

Oh wait, I missed the snark attack "supposedly read". Nice, bitch.

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RE: In reality, how would you know if a female is submi... - 5/12/2011 9:08:25 AM   
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So much hostiliy. It saddens me deeply. 

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RE: In reality, how would you know if a female is submi... - 5/12/2011 9:46:19 AM   
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All women are submissive to some man but not to all men


Bullshit.

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RE: In reality, how would you know if a female is submi... - 5/12/2011 10:24:40 AM   
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You tell'em.

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RE: In reality, how would you know if a female is submi... - 5/12/2011 11:29:02 AM   
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ORIGINAL: GreedyTop

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All women are submissive to some man but not to all men


Bullshit.


Thank you cuteness!


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RE: In reality, how would you know if a female is submi... - 5/12/2011 11:30:39 AM   
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ORIGINAL: LaTigresse

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All women are submissive to some man but not to all men


Bullshit.


Thank you cuteness!


Agreed.


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RE: In reality, how would you know if a female is submi... - 5/12/2011 12:38:17 PM   
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RE: In reality, how would you know if a female is submi... - 5/12/2011 1:28:12 PM   
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ORIGINAL: LillyBoPeep

that "be quite, tha menz is talkin'" shit is lame. =p


Lame but offensive, too?

Tough crowd in here.... lol

Maybe that's why the OP hasn't stuck around....

Focus.


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RE: In reality, how would you know if a female is submi... - 5/12/2011 1:42:08 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Arturas
Oh wait, I missed the snark attack "supposedly read". Nice, bitch.


Very domly. Just the sort of thing you'd expect someone who is confident in himself to say.



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RE: In reality, how would you know if a female is submi... - 5/12/2011 1:43:53 PM   
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ORIGINAL: GreedyTop

quote:

All women are submissive to some man but not to all men


Bullshit.


QFT baby! QFT


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RE: In reality, how would you know if a female is submi... - 5/12/2011 1:44:39 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Icarys

quote:

But don't let Icarys catch you making with the drive-by commentary, too; that seems his specialty.

Whaaaaaaa? In the midst of apologizing you slam the next person?

What have I ever done to you, Focal?


Irrefutible proof that some of us men can do two things at once.

Don't be offended; I like your "barracking from the bleachers" style.

Now some people say "empty vessels make the most sound". Not me, but....

Hmmm, *there's* a cue for peoples here....

Focal.


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RE: In reality, how would you know if a female is submi... - 5/12/2011 2:11:49 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Arturas

Oh wait, I missed the snark attack "supposedly read". Nice, bitch.


Are you lowering yourself to petty name calling now sweetie? Oh, how cute...

And I would hardly say that mentioning that you "supposedly read" a book that you can't EVER post the right tittle on -even after it's been pointed out to you on several occasions- is a "snark attack" considering the fact that I have no information that demonstrates to me that you have or have not read that book, other than your word, the fact that you've quoted from it out of context at least once, and the fact that you've given it the wrong tittle on at least half a dozen occasions.

So, in fact, at this point there is more evidence against you having read the book than for it...
Especially considering that people who have actually read books usually know their correct tittle...



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RE: In reality, how would you know if a female is submi... - 5/12/2011 2:21:52 PM   
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Irrefutible proof that some of us men can do two things at once.

Don't be offended; I like your "barracking from the bleachers" style.

Now some people say "empty vessels make the most sound". Not me, but....

Hmmm, *there's* a cue for peoples here....

Focal.

Lol


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RE: In reality, how would you know if a female is submi... - 5/12/2011 2:26:54 PM   
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Especially considering that people who have actually read books usually know their correct tittle...

Usually isn't always. FFS I forget shit all the time and I've read quite a few books.


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RE: In reality, how would you know if a female is submi... - 5/12/2011 2:50:13 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Icarys

quote:

Especially considering that people who have actually read books usually know their correct tittle...

Usually isn't always. FFS I forget shit all the time and I've read quite a few books.



Last time I checked you didn't claim to know everything though, nor did you claim to be right and tried to supported that claim by saying you knew you where right and that everybody who disagreed was wrong.. unlike *cough* some other people on this board.

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RE: In reality, how would you know if a female is submi... - 5/12/2011 4:09:16 PM   
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Well, if I can get away with a one-liner, I like to toss it into the mix, purely for the entertainment value.

I find it pretty counter-intuitive when subs pipe up and try and tell us where we're doing things wrong.  It should be blindingly obvious to them that a Dom really doesn't give a flying fuck whether they approve or not - but they keep missing that.

Ironically, I tend to find the most stable, together and secure women rarely conflict with me.  They either already agree or they're not threatened by what I think or they're able to discuss things in a mature fashion.  When I get a firecracker who conflicts violently, it's either a total nutter or some fiery wench who likes the idea of being conquered.

In the context of the discussion, much depends on tone.  I find women who are secure in themselves, won't be put out by a comment from a guy telling them the men are talking.  You'll get those who give some lip back, but only the humourless or deadly serious wenches will toss their toys.

In short, I thoroughly agree.  It's an excellent filter to screen out the chicks with issues.

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RE: In reality, how would you know if a female is submi... - 5/12/2011 5:28:12 PM   
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Last time I checked you didn't claim to know everything

Well not evvvveryyyything....


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