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ORIGINAL: ladyneedshelp
We do not just get gas from oil....our whole economy revolves around oil.....they use it to make plastic, materials, medicans, make up, golf balls. Just to name a few..... and all these things were discovered by the oil co.'s!
Really? The oil companies discovered all of that? I believe the folks that made those breakthroughs would argue otherwise. But then you are not concern with facts and evidence so much as blind hysteria. Oil is not a 'one size fits all' either. How its 'mined', 'processed', 'shipped', and 'consumed' are highly dependent on the end usage. But I am pretty sure the folks that come up with golf balls are in the 'sports' industry and not the 'oil' industry.
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ORIGINAL: ladyneedshelp
Who said oil co.'s don't invest in green? Google it.....there are all kinds of articles on the oil co.'s investing in the future.
Phillip Morris has 'invested' millions into breaking cigarette addiction. Even though their executives will state to their dying, smoke filled breath, that their product doesnt produce negative health problems; Does that mean we should let them off the hook? The whole concept of 'going green' is the exact opposite of their original business model (the oil industry). They aren't in the business of planting trees, caring about pollution (air, soil, and water), or 'looking to the future'. They are in the business of selling oil, which when used correctly will damage the enviroment around us. They are in the business for profit, not because they want to be the champion of America's energy needs.
Yes, each of the companies has expanded their holdings into 'green technology' R&D, it makes good public relations towards goverments and people. It could be they want their infrastructure in place in the event oil suddenly dried up. But that appears, for at least the foreseeable future as highly unlikely. They cant look twenty years let alone five years into the future. Even though to switch America over from oil to other avuenes of energy production could take that long.
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ORIGINAL: ladyneedshelp
Pres. Obama says he is for drilling......but while on the campain trail (oxymoron, has he ever left it?) He said he would tax the oil and coal co.'s out of business.....
When did he say this on the campaign trail? That he would tax oil and coal companies out of business? Or did you hear that Obama would like to take away free stuff that the oil industry gets thanks to previous Republican congresses? Yes, I guess that could be considered a 'tax', in that the oil companies have to actually pay for their shit. Like closing loopholes in the IRS tax code that allows a company the size of GE to pay less in taxes than you or me. (Oh, GE also netted $3.2 BILLION in tax benefits)
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ORIGINAL: ladyneedshelp
he couldn't do it thru congress in the first 2 yrs.....( and that was not all republicans....they could not stop anything for lack of votes!).
Actually he could have, if he wanted to. However, Mr. Obama is pretty intelligent and educated enough to realize, many Democrats would not get elected if he did. The real truth was, that Republicans did anything and everything to stop the Democrats, regardless of the issue. And they did indeed use quite the gambit of tactics and manuevers to slow and stop things from pushing forward. They had (and still do) have quite the misinformation machine in place that sent out all sorts of misleading and completely false stuff (do I need to bring up Death Panels?). Its all in the history of the USA for the past three years.
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ORIGINAL: ladyneedshelp
So he is using the EPA. You put more regulations on a business and it causes the prices to rise. Anyone remember Obama saying he waas not concerned with the price of gas at 4+ dollars but he would have prefered it didn't go up so fast. (Maybe then we would not have noticed?) He puts a moratoram on drilling in the gulf.....
Should study up on what the last president did with the EPA before attacking Obama on it. That goverment agency was reduced, undermined, and given useless managers to make it look bad. The Republicans really do hate the EPA, since that agency was originally set up to protect the enviroment and regular Americans from companies that would dump toxic chemicals upstream from them. The rich can afford to live else where, but how about those making under $250,000 a year?
It has been observed that Republicans dont look 'far down the road' but rather deal with the 'immediate problems'. This creates an endless string of 'reactions' to events and problems that 'long term planning and organizing' could have headed off all together. Gas at four dollars a gallon was seen as a likely problem and little could be done to combat it. However, getting many Americans into alternative forms of energy production (solar, hydro, nuclear, etc) would lessen the future problems to the economy. Setting up programs to entice buyers of autos to 'go green' helps the auto industry to re-tool its products for long term growth and gets Americans used to seeing 'green cars' on American freeways.
Finally, the 'moratoram' was to give time to analysis if the problem that happen to one oil rig could potentially happen to others both in operation and under construction. Or would you rather the problem we had last summer, be replicated not only in the Gulf but on the other two ocean shores that border our country? Are you not even remotely aware of the amount of mayhem created by just one problem, to create a few more?
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How come everyone blames Bush when the oil prices went up and jobs outsourced but it Not Obama's fault?
How did the Bush family make its fortune?
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