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RE: 52% of Republicans Want a Third Party - 5/10/2011 7:05:18 PM   
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A lot of reading but, it is a great analysis of NAFTA.

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RE: 52% of Republicans Want a Third Party - 5/10/2011 7:06:03 PM   
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Status: offline 		There are plenty of "third" parties already.

Trouble is, they tend to be either (1) single-issue (or narrow span of issues) groups, frankly better served by a PAC, or (2) have no platform beyond bitching about the status quo (and with no realistic solutions, complete with the consequences for those actions).

If they want a third powerful party, they need to get working on broad, realistic agendas.




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RE: 52% of Republicans Want a Third Party - 5/11/2011 12:28:18 AM   
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There are plenty of "third" parties already.

Trouble is, they tend to be either (1) single-issue (or narrow span of issues) groups, frankly better served by a PAC, or (2) have no platform beyond bitching about the status quo (and with no realistic solutions, complete with the consequences for those actions).

If they want a third powerful party, they need to get working on broad, realistic agendas.





Any realistic agenda has to be filtered through one of the major parties to have a chance of going thru. Last thing either party needs is some radical trying to change the status quo. The system sucks but it's their system. They know how to work it and they keep getting elected so obviously works.

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RE: 52% of Republicans Want a Third Party - 5/11/2011 3:49:56 AM   
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It is kind of hard to find a good party. 


No it's not.

You just need a nice stretch of beach, a bonfire, and a few kegs.

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RE: 52% of Republicans Want a Third Party - 5/11/2011 7:27:35 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

There are plenty of "third" parties already.

Trouble is, they tend to be either (1) single-issue (or narrow span of issues) groups, frankly better served by a PAC, or (2) have no platform beyond bitching about the status quo (and with no realistic solutions, complete with the consequences for those actions).

If they want a third powerful party, they need to get working on broad, realistic agendas.





Any realistic agenda has to be filtered through one of the major parties to have a chance of going thru. Last thing either party needs is some radical trying to change the status quo. The system sucks but it's their system. They know how to work it and they keep getting elected so obviously works.

First, one of parties will have to come up with a realistic agenda.

Ross Perot came closest, but his was entirely about business climate--important, but misguided in places, and ignoring other issues.

A viable party with rapidly growing elected representatives would be at the table, their votes swaying entire issues, and eventually, a majority player themselves. The current two parties can't control that, just fight it. Blaming them is easy, but the reality is, no third party has yet come forth with a such a comprehensive agenda.

People know what they don't want, but have no idea what they do want. That's why things never change.

They could, though, if people wanted. Republicans were once a third party, and the Whigs were a major party.

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RE: 52% of Republicans Want a Third Party - 5/11/2011 12:16:40 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

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ORIGINAL: blacksword404


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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

There are plenty of "third" parties already.

Trouble is, they tend to be either (1) single-issue (or narrow span of issues) groups, frankly better served by a PAC, or (2) have no platform beyond bitching about the status quo (and with no realistic solutions, complete with the consequences for those actions).

If they want a third powerful party, they need to get working on broad, realistic agendas.





Any realistic agenda has to be filtered through one of the major parties to have a chance of going thru. Last thing either party needs is some radical trying to change the status quo. The system sucks but it's their system. They know how to work it and they keep getting elected so obviously works.

First, one of parties will have to come up with a realistic agenda.

Ross Perot came closest, but his was entirely about business climate--important, but misguided in places, and ignoring other issues.

A viable party with rapidly growing elected representatives would be at the table, their votes swaying entire issues, and eventually, a majority player themselves. The current two parties can't control that, just fight it. Blaming them is easy, but the reality is, no third party has yet come forth with a such a comprehensive agenda.

People know what they don't want, but have no idea what they do want. That's why things never change.

They could, though, if people wanted. Republicans were once a third party, and the Whigs were a major party.


They would fight a real third party severely. Besides that neither democrats or republicans want to try voting for a third party person because the other side might win. Even if the third party person is a much better match for them. I don't see a real third party for at least another decade. Unless a surprise comes along.

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RE: 52% of Republicans Want a Third Party - 5/11/2011 12:22:31 PM   
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it isnt huh?
lol what a surprise



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RE: 52% of Republicans Want a Third Party - 5/11/2011 12:25:33 PM   
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Status: offline 		The Tea Party isn't a political party at all.

60 percent of Tea Party members, though, would like to see a third party.

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RE: 52% of Republicans Want a Third Party - 5/11/2011 12:27:33 PM   
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The Tea Party isn't a political party at all.

60 percent of Tea Party members, though, would like to see a third party.

My bad, I should have put in an eye roll emoticon, or "sarcasm"


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RE: 52% of Republicans Want a Third Party - 5/11/2011 12:33:53 PM   
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I thought the Tea party was the viable third party?



How can they concentrate on politics when they are always out teabagging everyone?

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RE: 52% of Republicans Want a Third Party - 5/11/2011 7:48:39 PM   
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I thought the Tea party was the viable third party?
it isnt huh?
lol what a surprise




As far as I know its not an actual party. I have no clue as to whether they intend to be.

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RE: 52% of Republicans Want a Third Party - 5/11/2011 7:57:35 PM   
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RE: 52% of Republicans Want a Third Party - 5/12/2011 4:36:38 PM   
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