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RE: Pink Floyd re-issue - 5/12/2011 9:23:25 PM   
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True, the last time I looked (2 or so years ago) CD still had 80% of the market. Its aimless speculation to say CD will die soon - back in 2001 or so people were saying CD was on the way out just as high street retail would all go online. I think there will be music sold in physical form for a long time, maybe CD or perhaps the audio only version of Blu-ray might take off.


I 've found that blu-ray sounds great of course, due to the enhanced spectrum, but it's been out several years now and the buy-in by the public for audio application is something akin to the Laser Disc. I am praying the CD will be around a lot longer than these fucks who simply want to glom onto web based downloading enterprises because the hardware and locale costs are ridiculously low. The fact is when you talk to the guys in these start-ups they no shit about audio quality. The back end has techies who know, but to a large extent, they don't care. A lot of independent artists are now demanding the download sites offer a full 44khz flac, but the main stream artists don't really seem to get the bigger picture yet.
   In the meantime, if you wanna download something, try archive.org I alone have hundreds of concerts I mastered up there, free for the taking. There's also video and non-musical audio... great site



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RE: Pink Floyd re-issue - 5/12/2011 9:25:09 PM   
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RE: Pink Floyd re-issue - 5/12/2011 9:31:07 PM   
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In my mind, after Waters left, it wasn't the same band.

This may be a bad analogy, but kind of like seeing the Beach Boys without Brian Wilson.

I am sure they were fine shows, just not.........what I wanted to see.

However, the FLaming Lips are going to preform DSOTM here this summer.

That appeals to me in a twisted kind of way.


If they do as well as they did at Bonnaroo, you won't be disappointed by them. I consider DSotM the holy grail of art, so for me to say that it means something. I mean, every song is inferior to the original, but it's a good performance.

The worst thing about post-Waters Floyd is that they had people outside the band write the lyrics (King Crimson and ELP did it but hey... at least he was exclusive to them during the respective periods). That's pretty pathetic to me (especially when I actually enjoyed every song penned by Richard Wright a lot). As Roger put it, those albums were fair forgeries of a Pink Floyd album. Enjoyable, but not transcendent.



Momentary Lapse lyrics were a group cluster fuck, producing possibly one of the 100 worst lyrics of all time, and the worst associated with a PF member. "Tongue tied and twisted, just an earthbound misfit, I". (Too bad its not the worst song with the title "Learning to Fly", lol).

Division Bell writing was a vast improvement, with his future wife contributing the most...she must have studied Roger's lyrics a bit. :)

About Face was the best DG could summon up for a real Floydian sound/sentiment. Two Suns and Murder are pretty strong efforts.


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RE: Pink Floyd re-issue - 5/12/2011 9:35:27 PM   
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RE: Pink Floyd re-issue - 5/12/2011 9:38:40 PM   
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Discs wont be gone until FLAC or better is routine.

And the best way to listen to DSOTM was live in 2007, second best is the board feeds from the Chile and Colombia shows. Third best might be the studio version but live in '73 was close.


I heard the Chile show twice. Liked it a lot ... somewhere back in the cardboard boxes @ the storage place though I have a 1/2" analog (Neumanns> Tascam channel >URE Deck) from the Palace Concert theatre in Providence R.I. from the mid 70s that in terms of the intensity of the show would kick it's ass.
   Next time I go to the storage place I will see if I can dig it out and digitize it.

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RE: Pink Floyd re-issue - 5/12/2011 9:46:51 PM   
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Discs wont be gone until FLAC or better is routine.

And the best way to listen to DSOTM was live in 2007, second best is the board feeds from the Chile and Colombia shows. Third best might be the studio version but live in '73 was close.


I heard the Chile show twice. Liked it a lot ... somewhere back in the cardboard boxes @ the storage place though I have a 1/2" analog (Neumanns> Tascam channel >URE Deck) from the Palace Concert theatre in Providence R.I. from the mid 70s that in terms of the intensity of the show would kick it's ass.
   Next time I go to the storage place I will see if I can dig it out and digitize it.


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Providence


Is that also called the Lowes theatre? I think thats the only venue in Providence they played other than the Civic Center, and that was the Meddle tour in 1971. That was the night after I saw them at the Capitol Theater in Passaic, NJ and a week before my favorite early Floyd concert...Carnegie Hall. We were in an opera box hanging over the stage, and Carnegie Hall was the perfect place for the quad sound. Great show. A good recording of it would be awesome.

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RE: Pink Floyd re-issue - 5/12/2011 10:33:38 PM   
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I saw Floyd in the Orange Bowl ca 1986 and again in Joe Robbie Stadium (dolphin stadium) about 88.


Orange Bowl was 87. I dont think they played Joe Robbie till 94.

Joe Robbie was well before that because I was still teaching HS and coaching. Last year of that was 89.

Thinking back. Joe Robbie was after '92 because I was working in a different lab and I remember who My coworkers were when I was trying to win free tickets.


Let's see.
I saw the Gilmour version of Floyd a few times, most memorably at JFK in Philly, and I've seen Waters a bunch...but (here's where folks are gonna want to kill me), the best was a week or so after seeing that Philly Floyd show, I saw Waters on the Pros and Cons tour from 2nd row, which was sweet, but the kicker is that he had Clapton playing lead and Phil Collins playing drums.
One of the 5 best concerts I've ever seen (And that's saying something)-just blew the faux-Floyd off the stage.


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RE: Pink Floyd re-issue - 5/12/2011 10:39:08 PM   
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We had something amazing, while it lasted. And soon, we'll have more to sift through.

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RE: Pink Floyd re-issue - 5/12/2011 11:15:10 PM   
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Is that also called the Lowes theatre? I think thats the only venue in Providence they played other than the Civic Center, and that was the Meddle tour in 1971. That was the night after I saw them at the Capitol Theater in Passaic, NJ and a week before my favorite early Floyd concert...Carnegie Hall. We were in an opera box hanging over the stage, and Carnegie Hall was the perfect place for the quad sound. Great show. A good recording of it would be awesome.


The venue is now called the Ocean State Performing Arts Center and it's had about 5 different names in the time I've walked the earth. But I can say for certain it was a june 75 show and added to the tour because of problems they had in Boston. I remember distinctly that the only way I was able to get a pair of tickets was through WBRU. You are right though about the only other shows in RI being civic center shows (nowhere near as good). I do remember this. It was announced on the radio over and over again as being the only small theater concert in America that tour.
   You mentioned the Capitol, I LOVE that venue... saw the very best solo acoustic performances of my life there on Easter weekend in 82. Dr. John followed by Jerry Garcia... I missed the early show because there were people on the bus I rode down with a big old bottle of LSD and there interaction with the Jersey SPD delayed us substantially. But I walked in the door with my gear just as Dr. John was queing up "Right Place Wrong Time"... I will never forget that night.
  Thanks for the memory recharge

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RE: Pink Floyd re-issue - 5/12/2011 11:16:23 PM   
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Carnegie Hall. We were in an opera box hanging over the stage, and Carnegie Hall was the perfect place for the quad sound. Great show. A good recording of it would be awesome.


I will ask a couple of the NYC Tapers I know if they have that show

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RE: Pink Floyd re-issue - 5/13/2011 4:52:53 AM   
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http://just-add-cones.blogspot.com/2011/04/pf-1972-05-02-carnegie-hall.html

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RE: Pink Floyd re-issue - 5/13/2011 4:59:53 AM   
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Amazingly good.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_La1DckEggA

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RE: Pink Floyd re-issue - 5/13/2011 6:37:33 AM   
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http://db.etree.org/db/shows/browse/artist_key/38


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RE: Pink Floyd re-issue - 5/13/2011 7:23:36 AM   
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I saw Floyd in the Orange Bowl ca 1986 and again in Joe Robbie Stadium (dolphin stadium) about 88.


Orange Bowl was 87. I dont think they played Joe Robbie till 94.

Joe Robbie was well before that because I was still teaching HS and coaching. Last year of that was 89.

Thinking back. Joe Robbie was after '92 because I was working in a different lab and I remember who My coworkers were when I was trying to win free tickets.


Let's see.
I saw the Gilmour version of Floyd a few times, most memorably at JFK in Philly, and I've seen Waters a bunch...but (here's where folks are gonna want to kill me), the best was a week or so after seeing that Philly Floyd show, I saw Waters on the Pros and Cons tour from 2nd row, which was sweet, but the kicker is that he had Clapton playing lead and Phil Collins playing drums.
One of the 5 best concerts I've ever seen (And that's saying something)-just blew the faux-Floyd off the stage.



Pros and Cons is an underrated album and Clapton's re-emergence was great. I still havent found a decent VOIO of that tour. I think your memory is playing tricks on you though re Phil Collins. Andy Newmark played drums that entire tour and I can't find any reference to anyone else sitting in for the Philly show.

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RE: Pink Floyd re-issue - 5/13/2011 7:27:35 AM   
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As an aside, has anyone listened to "Les Claypool's Frog Brigade" covering Pink Floyd?

Amazingly good.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_La1DckEggA



That's FEARLESS FLYING Frog Brigade...

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RE: Pink Floyd re-issue - 5/13/2011 7:28:43 AM   
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But Rapto, look at Waters after he left. His solo work is just good enough to really piss a fan off, that he doesn't have a Gilmore to fight with, and let in to the music. I was able to walk up the day of the show, and buy front of the second level tickets that had just been dropped by a third, and see the concert that became the In The Flesh video. It was a great performance, and he has all those wonderful guitarists to cover Dave, but he can't create it without him.

We had something amazing, while it lasted. And soon, we'll have more to sift through.


Thats where we depart...for PF's best work Gilmour wasn't much more than a hired musician. Watch the DVD of the making of DSOTM. DG contributed the "Gilmour sound", but almost everything was charted by RW. I go to a PF show for the songs that have been my soundtrack almost forever. RW creates them far better than he ever did with Gilmour, (And a fan would probably spell Gilmour correctly anyway. As far as his solo work goes, Pros and Cons and Kaos are better than anything except Animals and WYWH, perhaps "tied" with the Wall, since it was written at the same time. Far from being pissed off, most fans were thrilled that PF was being carried on, albeit with the legal name.

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RE: Pink Floyd re-issue - 5/13/2011 7:37:15 AM   
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Is that also called the Lowes theatre? I think thats the only venue in Providence they played other than the Civic Center, and that was the Meddle tour in 1971. That was the night after I saw them at the Capitol Theater in Passaic, NJ and a week before my favorite early Floyd concert...Carnegie Hall. We were in an opera box hanging over the stage, and Carnegie Hall was the perfect place for the quad sound. Great show. A good recording of it would be awesome.


The venue is now called the Ocean State Performing Arts Center and it's had about 5 different names in the time I've walked the earth. But I can say for certain it was a june 75 show and added to the tour because of problems they had in Boston. I remember distinctly that the only way I was able to get a pair of tickets was through WBRU. You are right though about the only other shows in RI being civic center shows (nowhere near as good). I do remember this. It was announced on the radio over and over again as being the only small theater concert in America that tour.
   You mentioned the Capitol, I LOVE that venue... saw the very best solo acoustic performances of my life there on Easter weekend in 82. Dr. John followed by Jerry Garcia... I missed the early show because there were people on the bus I rode down with a big old bottle of LSD and there interaction with the Jersey SPD delayed us substantially. But I walked in the door with my gear just as Dr. John was queing up "Right Place Wrong Time"... I will never forget that night.
  Thanks for the memory recharge



YW...I was at that show as well. While I was living around the corner from the Fillmore East, my gf lived in Clifton and I spent a ton of time at the Capitol. For more personal than musical reasons my favorite show there was opening night. David Rhea (though the Capitol staff I talk with hasnt listed him as officially on that bill), J Geils and somewhere in my top 5 favorite bands, Humble Pie.

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RE: Pink Floyd re-issue - 5/13/2011 7:48:17 AM   
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Carnegie Hall in 72?

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http://just-add-cones.blogspot.com/2011/04/pf-1972-05-02-carnegie-hall.html


I was talking about 1971 but that was a great show also.

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RE: Pink Floyd re-issue - 5/13/2011 8:05:20 AM   
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It did win them some new fans as well, the music is great, despite the lyrics.
Division Bell was lyrically better not just because of Samson, but becuase it was what floyd did best, the thematic album, not just a collection of singles.
Floyd after Waters is still Floyd, still classic, and will still be listened to 100 years from now.
Gilmour is rock's Mozart. He is the best to come out of the twentieth century.

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RE: Pink Floyd re-issue - 5/13/2011 8:26:47 AM   
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Floyd after Waters is still Floyd, still classic, and will still be listened to 100 years from now.
Gilmour is rock's Mozart. He is the best to come out of the twentieth century.



Floyd after Waters is barely listenable, and isnt even listened to now by very many, much less 100 years from now. (Unfortunately, neither is Waters after Floyd, which is some great music). Rocks Mozart???? Hint: Mozart was a composer.

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