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Real0ne -> RE: BREAKING: Ron Paul to Announce Presidential Candidacy Friday Morning on ABC Good Morning America 7 (5/13/2011 7:35:48 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MrRodgers First of all, futures contracts exist only as a means to speculate and trade commodities without needing more than a piece of paper...not the commodity itself. As what capitalism is...turning paper into money, it is a profit vehicle, nothing more. Yes, one can lose and lose big too if you time it wrong. I agree but to change that it is a "gambling vehicle" Because there are billion$ thrown at speculation in commodities, it can and often does move prices. That price for those that are willing to be objective and learn, become the same thing they call it on oil...the benchmark price, i.e., the price at which all sales negotiation begins. The futures market then forces...yes forces producers to buy in order to hedge their capital for the insuing further speculation. Well since farmers plant, and grow the farmer is always on the same side of the trade. Believe it or not kinkroids, depending on their timing, producers can lose money buying futures, but...they lose as little as possible. Anybody here actually tell me how producers can lose money investing in (buying) rising futures ? anything from manipulation to being on the wrong side of the trade. how many single family small time farmers understand how to hedge the futures market? The extent most farmers understand it is thats the price of hogs whatever.

pahunkboy -> RE: BREAKING: Ron Paul to Announce Presidential Candidacy Friday Morning on ABC Good Morning America 7 (5/13/2011 7:36:16 AM)
The 2 corporate parties support bean counters. Ron Paul supports the bean growers, planters, havesters, transporters, packers, in short- those who make the beans possible.

Real0ne -> RE: BREAKING: Ron Paul to Announce Presidential Candidacy Friday Morning on ABC Good Morning America 7 (5/13/2011 7:38:09 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MrRodgers The reason regulations haven't worked is supplied by the whole greedy capitalist culture in the US. They'd much rather get $300,000 a year beating the regulators for Goldman, than $90,000 a year to regulate them at the SEC. Does anybody know how many regulators and especially those that didn't regulate, that have now gone on to work for wall street ? It would be a very interesting however depressing story. yes they switch all the time! the fed res and treasury does the same crap.

Musicmystery -> RE: BREAKING: Ron Paul to Announce Presidential Candidacy Friday Morning on ABC Good Morning America 7 (5/13/2011 7:38:44 AM)
I'm getting the impression you think farmers are not very bright. You're wrong. They're business people. They even use computers...

mnottertail -> RE: BREAKING: Ron Paul to Announce Presidential Candidacy Friday Morning on ABC Good Morning America 7 (5/13/2011 7:39:55 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: pahunkboy The 2 corporate parties support bean counters. Ron Paul supports the bean growers, planters, havesters, transporters, packers, in short- those who make the beans possible. Just a pea-pickin' minute. You have actually seen this geezer out in the Milagro beanfield pickin?

Real0ne -> RE: BREAKING: Ron Paul to Announce Presidential Candidacy Friday Morning on ABC Good Morning America 7 (5/13/2011 7:45:08 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Musicmystery quote: ORIGINAL: Real0ne as MR pointed out there is more than one real world and you are cherry picking. As far as I am concerned its a cop out to simply sit back and say "well thats th eway it is" and presume that is the only "reality" He was responding to YOU. I've already pointed the answer to his question earlier. I'm not cherry picking at all--I'm pointing out the realities you're ignoring. Nor am I sitting back and saying "Well that's the way it is." I'm arguing for regulation, remember? You do not get what i am saying. it may be a reality that someone takes a shit in the middle of my lawn every day and granted that is reality, but it does not mean that is the only way it can be or should be done. It certainly does not mean it should not be changed. I said earlier the who scam and fraud revolves around "interest" filtering its way through the economy. I do not see an advantage to regulating a corrupt system with a core design to rip off the people at large or force them into wall street which as many have seen is ripping them off that way as well.

Real0ne -> RE: BREAKING: Ron Paul to Announce Presidential Candidacy Friday Morning on ABC Good Morning America 7 (5/13/2011 7:49:27 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Musicmystery I'm getting the impression you think farmers are not very bright. You're wrong. They're business people. They even use computers... and you seem to think that the average farmer staffs accountants on one shoulder and a hedge manager on the other. I know many farmers cant afford to paint their barns and where do they get the time to spend learning the evils of wall street speculation

Musicmystery -> RE: BREAKING: Ron Paul to Announce Presidential Candidacy Friday Morning on ABC Good Morning America 7 (5/13/2011 7:49:44 AM)
quote: I do not see an advantage Because you keep dodging the advantage it offers by pretending prices don't fluctuate.

Real0ne -> RE: BREAKING: Ron Paul to Announce Presidential Candidacy Friday Morning on ABC Good Morning America 7 (5/13/2011 7:52:18 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Musicmystery quote: I do not see an advantage Because you keep dodging the advantage it offers by pretending prices don't fluctuate. not at all! you keep pretending the only way to engage it is with the present system.

MrRodgers -> RE: BREAKING: Ron Paul to Announce Presidential Candidacy Friday Morning on ABC Good Morning America 7 (5/13/2011 7:53:15 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Musicmystery quote: Which brings us back to monetary policy. No, it doesn't. I am afraid MM is correct. Just the existence of a free-floating currency subject only to your ink supply really has little to do with the various forms of paper upon which 'investors' speculate. This kind of speculation has existed since before Bretton Woods. The chief features of the Bretton Woods system were an obligation for each country to adopt a monetary policy that maintained the exchange rate by tying its currency to the U.S. dollar and the ability of the IMF to bridge temporary imbalance of payments. On August 15, 1971, the United States unilaterally terminated convertibility to gold. This action, referred to, established the dollar as the reserve currency for the member states. In other words, the US dollar as only a piece of paper, became the world's reserve currency. The key to inflation from speculation, the very profitable kind. Oh and BTW, this established a taxpayer guaranteed capitalist welfare. (IMF and World Bank) Bush appointed Paul Henry O'Neill as Treas, sec, saw this and even said that western taxpayers should not be the guarantor of reckless international financing. He lasted oh...a few months. He was fired in December 2002 for his public disagreement with the administration and became a harsh critic. Gee, I wonder why ?

Musicmystery -> RE: BREAKING: Ron Paul to Announce Presidential Candidacy Friday Morning on ABC Good Morning America 7 (5/13/2011 7:57:22 AM)
quote: not at all! RO, First, that's exactly what you said. Go back a page and see for yourself. Second, come on, you know nothing of farming and probably no farmers. I live in the middle of farm country. Yes, farmers have accountants and business professionals. It's what they do.

Real0ne -> RE: BREAKING: Ron Paul to Announce Presidential Candidacy Friday Morning on ABC Good Morning America 7 (5/13/2011 8:00:14 AM)
a "dollar" is a unit of measurement. so when someone says give me a dollar you can correctly say a dollar of what?

Real0ne -> RE: BREAKING: Ron Paul to Announce Presidential Candidacy Friday Morning on ABC Good Morning America 7 (5/13/2011 8:03:10 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Musicmystery quote: not at all! RO, First, that's exactly what you said. Go back a page and see for yourself. Second, come on, you know nothing of farming and probably no farmers. I live in the middle of farm country. Yes, farmers have accountants and business professionals. It's what they do. you keep advocating a corruption based system and refuse to look at the downside. and its not nice to change the context of what I said.

Musicmystery -> RE: BREAKING: Ron Paul to Announce Presidential Candidacy Friday Morning on ABC Good Morning America 7 (5/13/2011 8:14:13 AM)
Misrepresenting again. I keep saying we should regulate to alieviate the corruption and the downside.

pahunkboy -> RE: BREAKING: Ron Paul to Announce Presidential Candidacy Friday Morning on ABC Good Morning America 7 (5/13/2011 8:16:33 AM)
The cool thing is what Ron Paul brings to the table. Issues such as monetary policy, endless wars, his presence is not so much about him- but about ending the federal reserve. THOSE ideas. After all- are we really interested in if a prez wears boxers or briefs? My mind is already decided on who I will vote for.

Real0ne -> RE: BREAKING: Ron Paul to Announce Presidential Candidacy Friday Morning on ABC Good Morning America 7 (5/13/2011 8:20:12 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Musicmystery Misrepresenting again. I keep saying we should regulate to alieviate the corruption and the downside. you did! it does not alleviate corruption, that is a misnomer and completely incorrect, it only shifts it to a different group with better connections. The interest scheme is the root problem where a PRIVATE bank is issuing paper that belongs to them to the PUBLIC at a profit using international admiralty to get around the organic laws of the land and does not need to put it back into the system and those parasites on wall street going along for the ride.

mnottertail -> RE: BREAKING: Ron Paul to Announce Presidential Candidacy Friday Morning on ABC Good Morning America 7 (5/13/2011 8:31:05 AM)
to get around the organic laws of the land what organic laws of our land forbid profit, usury or increase? And fuck a bunch of yo ho hos and fuckin squids...and first you have to understand, and farmers dont know nothin about the markets or futures or hedging or arbitrage. Answer the question straightforwardly with laws of our land.

willbeurdaddy -> RE: BREAKING: Ron Paul to Announce Presidential Candidacy Friday Morning on ABC Good Morning America 7 (5/13/2011 8:34:54 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MrRodgers quote: ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy about time we had some regular comic relief in the lead-up to real campaigns. What is so comical about Ron Paul ? Ron Paul is the only conservative out there. He is already being marginalized by the press and the neo-cons. I am sure Fox will be in on it soon. Seems it is worked on you. He's so far ahead of the rest of the repub field, they (repubs) all ought to be embarrassed. He's an isolationist and a anarcho-capitalist. Neither works.

willbeurdaddy -> RE: BREAKING: Ron Paul to Announce Presidential Candidacy Friday Morning on ABC Good Morning America 7 (5/13/2011 8:37:01 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Musicmystery quote: Inflation in our monetary system is caused almost exclusively by speculation (via paper) in commodities. Core inflation in the US has otherwise been very reasonable. Again, no. First, monetary inflation is quite low. Speculation in commodities is spiking particularly food and oil prices. That's not the same as inflation. Doesn't anyone take Economics 101 anymore? Economics 202 will tell you that speculation cannot cause price increases.

mnottertail -> RE: BREAKING: Ron Paul to Announce Presidential Candidacy Friday Morning on ABC Good Morning America 7 (5/13/2011 8:39:44 AM)
No it won't. Economics 101 will teach you that it does, please take a course and comprehend Holland and tulips.

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