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V for Vendetta, future fact or fiction ? - 5/13/2011 5:06:19 AM

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V for vendetta

( http://www.pulpmovies.com/2006/04/v-for-vendetta/ )

And for those that like the moving image

Given world events as they stand now and because of recent actions, the introduction of the Patriot act in the US and similar (cobra?) in the UK, just how far away from this kind of scenario are we, will it be based on fact or fiction ?

I touched on the possibility of popular entertainment, not painting a country's workings in a very good light in another thread, but thinking more on that, those that write stories and make films, are they just creating entertainment to sell to the public, or are they also trying to say something, are they trying to awaken us to possibilities that may come to exist ?

And the counter to that, is because it is in the movies, then it is to be disregarded as the fiction that it is.

But is it fiction, and who are those that are quick to label fiction ?

But in the film, the leading character is a terrorist, and goes about commiting terrorist acts, so, what defines a terrorist, how do you define a terrorist ?

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RE: V for Vendetta, future fact or fiction ? - 5/13/2011 5:11:55 AM

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In Star Wars the lead characters are all terrorists as well. That's something you get in a lot of SF, for some reason. Hell, even John Galt is a terrorist...

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RE: V for Vendetta, future fact or fiction ? - 5/13/2011 7:14:14 AM

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One of my favorite movies. An anti-authoritarian fantasy that greatly appeals to my own anti-authoritarianism (plus it has a strung-up, naked, Natalie Portman

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The movie itself is, I'm convinced an allegory of the Bush administration taken to the extreme. The ultimately ineffectual Sutler, hiding in his bunker was Bush and Creedy was obviously a take on Cheny.

As to whether it could happen, the answer is yes... authortarian governments can easily take over when fear rules a populace. As the line in the movie went: "He promised you order, he promised you peace, and all he asked in return was your silent obedient consent." I think the whole speech is one of the greatest movie speeches of all time. It is an important message that resonates with me and I wish it would resonate with everybody.

As for the definition of a terroist, well that should be obvious: if they are fighting for what I believe in... they are a freedom fighter... if they don't, then they are a terroist. It is all a matter of perception. The question really is: whose perception rules? The majority is the first thought that comes naturally to mind but if I am out of whack with the majority does that still make the majority perception valid? I certainly would not consider the character V a terrorist (although what he did to Evey was rather nasty) since he was fighting against facism. In other words: whose "version" of morality is the correct one? I'm quite certain mine is and I don't doubt that some Islamofacist suicide bomber is equally convinced of his own morality. So whose? We don't (despite what religious fundalmentalist think) have an outside source for morlity, an omnipotent law giver, so we can only go by our own conscience and hope that in the end the majority gets it right. Whatever right is.

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RE: V for Vendetta, future fact or fiction ? - 5/13/2011 7:17:24 AM

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The interesting thing about that one, is that the author of the comic (Alan Moore) wasn't at all happy about the changes the Watchowski's made to the story to shoehorn in the Bush allegory, and their habitual taste for mystical bullshit. The original comic strip was more anti Thatcherite than anything else.

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RE: V for Vendetta, future fact or fiction ? - 5/13/2011 7:18:48 AM

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Ri'. 'OO the fuck all is Guy Fawkes, Oi?

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RE: V for Vendetta, future fact or fiction ? - 5/13/2011 7:21:24 AM

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A slightly dim Italian mercenary, who gave us somebody else to burn on bonfires besides an effigy of the Pope.

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RE: V for Vendetta, future fact or fiction ? - 5/13/2011 7:27:20 AM

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The interesting thing about that one, is that the author of the comic (Alan Moore) wasn't at all happy about the changes the Watchowski's made to the story to shoehorn in the Bush allegory, and their habitual taste for mystical bullshit. The original comic strip was more anti Thatcherite than anything else.

Yeah, I saw that on one of the DVD extras... but then, authors are rarely happy with what movies do to their works (but still happy enough to take the money, of course).

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RE: V for Vendetta, future fact or fiction ? - 5/13/2011 7:30:37 AM

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In fact, Moore didn't take the money, either. david Lloyd got his share of the film money. He hasn't taken any payments for any films of his work since From Hell.
It's not like Neil Gaiman's decision to cash the cheque for the film rights to the Sandman, then spend the best part of twenty years vetoing every script anybody comes up with for it...

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RE: V for Vendetta, future fact or fiction ? - 5/13/2011 7:39:38 AM

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In fact, Moore didn't take the money

Well, then good for him for standing up for his principles... although in this case he was being rather dumb in my opinion. It is a very good movie.

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RE: V for Vendetta, future fact or fiction ? - 5/13/2011 8:11:32 AM

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I think what led to that was that the Wachowskis were saying in a couple of interviews that he'd read their script and approved of it. As he hadn't even seen the script, and had absolutely no interest in the film, that really pissed him off, so he made a point of publicly disassociating himself from it as much as he possibly could. (Including, refusing to take any money from it.) He's not a man whose frightened of cutting his nose off to spite his face, and his line has always been that the movies are nothing to do with him. One nice line was an interviewer who mentioned From Hell and said it looked like it was going to be a good version being told that: "It's not my book it's their film. I don't care if they make Carry On Ripping..."

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RE: V for Vendetta, future fact or fiction ? - 5/13/2011 8:36:15 AM

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Moon, could you get me a mask like that?

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RE: V for Vendetta, future fact or fiction ? - 5/13/2011 9:27:16 AM

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Given world events as they stand now and because of recent actions, the introduction of the Patriot act in the US and similar (cobra?) in the UK, just how far away from this kind of scenario are we, will it be based on fact or fiction ?

cyber terrorist hackers on steroids already wear v for vendetta masks.

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RE: V for Vendetta, future fact or fiction ? - 5/13/2011 10:31:31 AM

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V for Vendetta scenario would require strong ideology based system. I do not think it can be introduced. The most likely future for the USA is Banana Republic (without bananas) type system.

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RE: V for Vendetta, future fact or fiction ? - 5/13/2011 11:11:20 AM

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I find sci-fi shows and movies often have direct thoughts on a particular subject matter, we as humans are dealing with at the time. That the concept isn't directly related to the real life issue, is what keeps most people from reconizing the learning value. Shows like Babylon 5, Firefly, Star Trek: The Next Generation, Stargate, Starget Atlantis, and so on, all hand many episodes of dealing with real world morality type questions.

South Park, while not even remotely a sci-fi show, always has some very important morality in the show. Its usually one of the four main characters who come to the understanding while all the adults are running around like chickens with their heads chopped off.

But isn't that what the medium is suppose to convey? A tie-back to reality?

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RE: V for Vendetta, future fact or fiction ? - 5/13/2011 12:48:04 PM

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I must have missed that about South park: past the second series most of the moralism comes across as horribly meanspirited reactionary bullshit. (It's nearly as bad as Shameless.)
Coming from a couple of nerds who claim to have been bullied in school, that's a bit out of order.

Ron, have a butchers in your nearest comics shop: they always seem to have a lot more film merchandising than comics, for some reason.

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RE: V for Vendetta, future fact or fiction ? - 5/13/2011 3:59:14 PM

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Given world events as they stand now and because of recent actions, the introduction of the Patriot act in the US and similar (cobra?) in the UK, just how far away from this kind of scenario are we, will it be based on fact or fiction ?

Not very close unless children everywhere start speaking with accents straight out of Oliver.

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But in the film, the leading character is a terrorist, and goes about commiting terrorist acts, so, what defines a terrorist, how do you define a terrorist ?

With the aid of a dictionary and with the knowledge that T comes after S.

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RE: V for Vendetta, future fact or fiction ? - 5/13/2011 4:08:57 PM

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As far as the portrayed oppression
With the rhetoric tossed around by neo-cons ("morally bankrupt", "un-American", "Socialist", "Hey Newt where did you put the strap-on?"), all it would take is a SMALL epidemic of something that could be traced to illegal immigrants and you'd be able to blow on the scales to tip them in that direction.All the tools are now in place courtesy of the law firm Bush, Cheney, & Bin Laden PC

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RE: V for Vendetta, future fact or fiction ? - 5/13/2011 4:52:35 PM

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A theocratic form of government is well within the possibility when you consider what some of the far right have put forward as goals. Glen Beck has often put forth a religious based government.

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Beck’s show today featured a full hour promoting the agenda of extreme fundamentalist/creationist/theocrat David Barton of Wallbuilders, one of the main forces behind the recent outrageous historical revisionism perpetrated by the Texas State Board of Education.

Glenn Beck Promotes Theocracy and Interviews David Barton - Speaker at Neo-Nazi Rallies

The christian right have supported politicians that have promoted christian extremism, and the Christian group called "The Family" which owns the house on C street that many Republican politicians live at with greatly reduced rent.

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RE: V for Vendetta, future fact or fiction ? - 5/14/2011 6:53:45 AM

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Artists use lies to tell the truth, politicians use lies to hide the truth

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