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ResidentSadist -> -=Pro Dommes, how much business does CM generate for you?=- (5/19/2011 12:37:35 AM)
Something VAA said perked a personal question in my mind so I’ve been monitoring some traffic flow here at CM. With the past 30 days, more than 700 Pro Dommes have logged into CM, many of them new. That is about 1 per hour. Of those 700 Dommes, 350 maintain their presence here logging within the last 24 hour period. That’s one every 4 minutes. This is only the tip of the iceberg as I did not search other keywords that are code for hire like blackmail, session etc. So . . . ladies, how many sessions a week do you book from CollaMe?

LadyHibiscus -> RE: -=Pro Dommes, how much business does CM generate for you?=- (5/19/2011 7:14:45 AM)
Are those ladies reading the forums? Years ago, when I was a pro dominant, I got some traffic from here...but it was a different world then!

LadyNTrainer -> RE: -=Pro Dommes, how much business does CM generate for you?=- (5/19/2011 7:23:42 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LadyHibiscus Are those ladies reading the forums? Yes, and very little. Some from the other side, zero from the forum side. For the most part, pros and clients don't seem to read or participate on forums much. It seems to be a different demographic, or possibly even a different fundamental mindset.

ResidentSadist -> RE: -=Pro Dommes, how much business does CM generate for you?=- (5/19/2011 8:35:49 AM)
I am talking about online traffic at CM (CollarMe) not CC (CollarChat). ETA Speaking of demographics, of the 200,000 unique vistors a month CM gets, over 50% is is male age 35-65, college degree, no kids. It is a sliding bar chart so I can't tell if it's 60/40 or 70/30. I can tell that the 55-65 age bracket is heaviest.

LadyConstanze -> RE: -=Pro Dommes, how much business does CM generate for you?=- (5/19/2011 8:52:30 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LadyHibiscus Are those ladies reading the forums? Years ago, when I was a pro dominant, I got some traffic from here...but it was a different world then! When I was still active as a pro, nothing ever came out of people from CM, basically the same mails that now pollute my mailbox "Please chain me and let me be your slave forever, I wanna live in your basement for the rest of my natural life, yadda yadda..." or "I am looking for a dominant wife..." It's not a marketing tool, I didn't intend it as one, but I did meet a bunch of nice people and had some interesting conversations, which was fine. The guys who claimed to want to book a session were just massive time wasters without the intention of ever showing up. Whenever somebody claimed to be interested, I gave them my site, told them to check if we are compatible and contact me through the site, guess what - not a single session.

MissJana -> RE: -=Pro Dommes, how much business does CM generate for you?=- (5/19/2011 8:58:02 AM)
Actually I have met a number of regular clients through Collarme, but with as many that I have met there are at least 3 to 4 times as many contacts that are just wankers. I also keep in touch with a number of lifestyle friends on here as well and enjoy following the forums.

Phoenixpower -> RE: -=Pro Dommes, how much business does CM generate for you?=- (5/19/2011 8:58:33 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LadyHibiscus Are those ladies reading the forums? Years ago, when I was a pro dominant, I got some traffic from here...but it was a different world then! Now...ok...I am not a pro Domme...though it could be exciting to try to Domme RS [:D] ducks but from a pro sub side speaking it was never my interest to catch customers on here as for that I use a different page... I had it two or three times that guys tried to book me via email on here as they have found my other profile on another homepage but that way they excluded a meeting as I prefer to keep my life on here and on my pro side seperate... but thats just me...as not-pro-Domme [:o]

ResidentSadist -> RE: -=Pro Dommes, how much business does CM generate for you?=- (5/19/2011 9:08:00 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MissJana Actually I have met a number of regular clients through Collarme, but with as many that I have met there are at least 3 to 4 times as many contacts that are just wankers. I also keep in touch with a number of lifestyle friends on here as well and enjoy following the forums. Did they fit the demographic of age 35-65 with a college degree?

RedMagic1 -> RE: -=Pro Dommes, how much business does CM generate for you?=- (5/19/2011 9:17:31 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: ResidentSadist of the 200,000 unique vistors a month CM gets Analytics are notoriously unreliable, but that is the lowest figure I've ever seen. I've usually seen things more along these lines: http://sitelatitude.com/collarme.com

ResidentSadist -> RE: -=Pro Dommes, how much business does CM generate for you?=- (5/19/2011 9:31:01 AM)
Alexa, which that site draws data from, has much different ratings. I use several sites as reference (some are subscriber sites) and have compared actual traffic to Alexa reports before. Alexa isn't always that far off from real time traffic reports. They say CM has 200k/mo with about 75k unique daily. The unique daily visits are really just a slice of the 200k reoccurring. IMO, the site value in that link is a bit inflated. Hey Mr. RedMagic, I see you are up on marketing and traffic. Is it your field?

RedMagic1 -> RE: -=Pro Dommes, how much business does CM generate for you?=- (5/19/2011 9:39:22 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: ResidentSadist Hey Mr. RedMagic, I see you are up on marketing and traffic. Is it your field? I'm a nanotechnologist. I have been thinking of writing something about the science of social networks, though. The first full-on studies of Twitter were performed just last year and this one, and there's much more noise than signal about online dating. And, of course, nothing formal about kinky online dating, or the kinky internet in general. So it's a hole I think I have the skills and interest to fill. I might try to write something for publication sometime in 2012. The fact that it would chap the hides of all those people with warnings against "Sydney University" on their profiles would be an added bonus.

LadyConstanze -> RE: -=Pro Dommes, how much business does CM generate for you?=- (5/19/2011 10:25:01 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: RedMagic1 The fact that it would chap the hides of all those people with warnings against "Sydney University" on their profiles would be an added bonus. I've seen that Sydney University stuff sometimes, I just don't know what's it about? People make a big deal that they are not allowed to use information gathered from the profile and such, but I don't quite get it, I mean surely it would be anonymous and pretty useless anyway, given the number of fake profiles floating about...

RedMagic1 -> RE: -=Pro Dommes, how much business does CM generate for you?=- (5/19/2011 10:36:33 AM)
The University of Sydney has government funding to conduct a multi-year sex study on Australians. They primarily use telephone interviews. Your gut feeling is 100% correct that they can't be bothered with unstable non-data like counting the number of "female" profiles on a site like CM. There are ways to get a bit more stable though, I think. Like every profile that has made at least two forum posts. Or, on Fet, any profile that has performed at least two "acts," like commenting on photos of friends. There will still be plenty of sock puppets, but I am not sure whether they will be statistically significant. I'm trying to mull over a good methodology. No answer yet. Anyone who puts a warning about "Sydney University" on their profile is cutting and pasting without a brain.

LadyConstanze -> RE: -=Pro Dommes, how much business does CM generate for you?=- (5/19/2011 10:43:09 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: RedMagic1 Anyone who puts a warning about "Sydney University" on their profile is cutting and pasting without a brain. The profiles I've seen with that on seem to indicate you're quite right ;) What I don't get is why would anybody mind anyway, even if they could eliminate the sock puppets somehow? It's not violating any rights as all the date would be anonymous, now you are posting something about yourself on a website that is accessible to anybody but you don't want it in a scientific study? Oh OK, it's alright if the boss sees a picture of you (general you) with a dildo up your arse and a happy smile, but oh no, not an anonymous study... Errr yeah... As for logistics - how would stop them? Which evidence would you have that they used your data? Apart from the fact that this data could be wrong, I mean the 60 year old obese male could put a picture he snapped of a hot young thing in the park up, claim he's 20 and fit...

LadyPact -> RE: -=Pro Dommes, how much business does CM generate for you?=- (5/19/2011 8:31:09 PM)
Unfortunately, I don't think it is able to be pinned down. How many contacts get made view a link at the bottom of forum posts? We have a number who come to the forums who basically use the place to get their names out there or direct people to pro services or pay sites. If one client/customer comes from the forums, free advertising pays off. To date, I have not put on a demo or organized an event that didn't get at least one person participate because they saw some mention of it from CM. (Either upcoming events, discussion on the forums, or a mention in My journal.) I have every reason that it works the same way for pros who are doing so for personal profit.

NuevaVida -> RE: -=Pro Dommes, how much business does CM generate for you?=- (5/19/2011 8:37:14 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: RedMagic1 I'm a nanotechnologist. ::brief hijack:: Totally fascinating. I remember when the technology was being studied for development at PARC and thought it was mind boggling. ::end of hijack::

LadyNTrainer -> RE: -=Pro Dommes, how much business does CM generate for you?=- (5/19/2011 9:35:59 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LadyPact If one client/customer comes from the forums, free advertising pays off. Far as I can tell, they really don't. I'm not sure I've ever enrolled a client who was familiar with anything I've said on the forums, or who found me because of my posts. I've been trolled occasionally by wankers reading my posts, but none were serious, just looking for fantasy talk that I wasn't interested in providing for free. I suppose if I was willing to put on a strictly pro persona and try to appear as more of their fantasy image on the forums, this might change a bit. But even with the avatar and .sig file I have here as "advertising", I get pretty much nada. It is not a winning business proposition for a pro to spend time socializing on forums, if drumming up business is the goal. quote: To date, I have not put on a demo or organized an event that didn't get at least one person participate because they saw some mention of it from CM. (Either upcoming events, discussion on the forums, or a mention in My journal.) I have every reason that it works the same way for pros who are doing so for personal profit. Nope. The event-going crowd and the pro client crowd are, for the most part, a different demographic. There is some overlap of folks who do both, but it doesn't seem to be very large. I don't know why this is, but in my experience, it's been true for as long as I've been active in the scene (and intermittently hanging out a pro shingle).

ResidentSadist -> RE: -=Pro Dommes, how much business does CM generate for you?=- (5/19/2011 9:48:49 PM)
But have you enrolled clients from CM? I am talking about online traffic at CM (CollarMe) not CC (CollarChat).

LadyPact -> RE: -=Pro Dommes, how much business does CM generate for you?=- (5/19/2011 9:59:58 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LadyNTrainer Far as I can tell, they really don't. I'm not sure I've ever enrolled a client who was familiar with anything I've said on the forums, or who found me because of my posts. I've been trolled occasionally by wankers reading my posts, but none were serious, just looking for fantasy talk that I wasn't interested in providing for free. I suppose if I was willing to put on a strictly pro persona and try to appear as more of their fantasy image on the forums, this might change a bit. But even with the avatar and .sig file I have here as "advertising", I get pretty much nada. It is not a winning business proposition for a pro to spend time socializing on forums, if drumming up business is the goal. We'll have to disagree here. No matter how much the investment was in time, anything greater than zero in financial cost when obtained from free is still profit. I know it's worked that way for folks selling products and other services. I'll be happy to give you a few names through private email who have successfully picked up clients for sessions through CM. Either that, or they looked Me in the face and lied. quote: Nope. The event-going crowd and the pro client crowd are, for the most part, a different demographic. There is some overlap of folks who do both, but it doesn't seem to be very large. I don't know why this is, but in my experience, it's been true for as long as I've been active in the scene (and intermittently hanging out a pro shingle). It doesn't have to be large. It just has to be some. While it is a minimal overlap, it still exists. One client gathered from free advertising on CM, is still greater than zero.

LadyConstanze -> RE: -=Pro Dommes, how much business does CM generate for you?=- (5/20/2011 3:58:39 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LadyPact Unfortunately, I don't think it is able to be pinned down. How many contacts get made view a link at the bottom of forum posts? We have a number who come to the forums who basically use the place to get their names out there or direct people to pro services or pay sites. If one client/customer comes from the forums, free advertising pays off. To date, I have not put on a demo or organized an event that didn't get at least one person participate because they saw some mention of it from CM. (Either upcoming events, discussion on the forums, or a mention in My journal.) I have every reason that it works the same way for pros who are doing so for personal profit. It seriously doesn't, at least not if you're in Europe. You say if ONE CLIENT comes from that it paid off, not really because for that one at least 10 will take up your time, block your phone line, try to engage you in discussions that take up your time, then posting takes time, I mean if you spent a few hours posting, that's not a good pay off, it's actually a really bad ROI in terms of marketing. Seriously not worth it, there are forums that deal exclusively with pro domination and if you are looking for clients you'd be much better off, come on, you can't have missed all those posts bitching about pros and the subs with that sense of entitlement that they should get their kink and for free, as they "give themselves". The problem is that it will be those guys who contact you, by email or by phone as they think it is their revenge to steal your time since they're not getting kink a la carte for free. Webpages now are also much cheaper than they used to be, I was monitoring traffic, the ones coming from forums were spending hours clicking on every picture, gobbling up bandwidth from your site and raising the costs (now less of an issue as website provider politics have changed), never actually reading anything, they just went straight to galleries, in short looking for free wank fodder. What worked (well, at least it did until 3 or 4 years ago) was banner exchanges and links, advertising and being listed in directories, also doing demos for free or free classes in the kink community. You might have paid something for it or spent time, but if you spent time doing demos you met nice people and they often recommended you. If you have to spend hours of work to get people interested, then have to go through all the time wasters and you might end up with one client, it's seriously not worth it, because considering the effort you put in and the time you spend, you might end up earning 50 pence an hour.

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