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RE: Obama Backs Deal Based on 1967 Lines - 5/23/2011 7:52:31 AM   
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Debating with those two is an exercise in futility.... for them white is black, up is down, and hot is cold

I was goin' ta say how ironic the first part of Julia's comment is cuze she refuses to accept anything an opponent ever says but then it hit me her opinion is not actually ironic, its jus' the opposite of da truth. It becomes ironic when ma'lady claims they think black is white, up is down 'n' hot is cold!

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RE: Obama Backs Deal Based on 1967 Lines - 5/23/2011 7:54:47 AM   
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Status: offline 		I know for a fact that you cannot prove that about jules, and I know for a fact that I can prove that she has accepted what an 'opponent' has said many times, even if she disagreed with the interpretations of its implications.

You're clawing at water, pal.

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RE: Obama Backs Deal Based on 1967 Lines - 5/23/2011 7:57:28 AM   
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Debating with those two is an exercise in futility.... for them white is black, up is down, and hot is cold

I was goin' ta say how ironic the first part of Julia's comment is cuze she refuses to accept anything an opponent ever says but then it hit me her opinion is not actually ironic, its jus' the opposite of da truth. It becomes ironic when ma'lady claims they think black is white, up is down 'n' hot is cold!



That is untrue. I can admit when I am wrong... I did so on a thread in "Off Topic" just yesterday about emotions...

I am not perfect, just close to it (and I am being a smart ass here)

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RE: Obama Backs Deal Based on 1967 Lines - 5/23/2011 7:59:51 AM   
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RE: Obama Backs Deal Based on 1967 Lines - 5/23/2011 8:06:08 AM   
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I know for a fact that you cannot prove that about jules, and I know for a fact that I can prove that she has accepted what an 'opponent' has said many times, even if she disagreed with the interpretations of its implications.

You're clawing at water, pal.

Just going by my experiences buddy. Ever I give her an inconvenient fact its "obfuscation", "deflection" and a million other claims she associates but were never said or can be suggested, moanin' on about anti-sem accusations when she said the same of moi but if she has accepted 'nothers views once or twice in her long time here lets


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RE: Obama Backs Deal Based on 1967 Lines - 5/23/2011 8:07:52 AM   
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RE: Obama Backs Deal Based on 1967 Lines - 5/23/2011 8:09:21 AM   
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point us out one of your 'inconvienient facts', because I will take issue that you have provided any.

Exactly you've decided already that your right so there is no frickin' point.

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RE: Obama Backs Deal Based on 1967 Lines - 5/23/2011 8:21:43 AM   
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Yeah, you are such an online bully.   I bet you wouldn't try that crapolina in my house, jules.



I am just a baddie, I am.....

I find that people who cannot debate their way out of a papersack have to get personal and make it all about me... whatever

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RE: Obama Backs Deal Based on 1967 Lines - 5/23/2011 8:23:05 AM   
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Status: offline 		So, in this you feel justified.  You are solicited to provide an example and you pout and whine that it would not be of benefit, prior to your example.  I cannot be guilty because you argue logical fallacies.

This, is an 'inconvienient fact' regarding anti-semitic: 

It was coined in 1879 by German journalist Wilhelm Marr in a pamphlet called, "The Victory of Germandom over Jewry". Using ideas of race and nationalism, Marr argued that Jews had become the first major power in the West. He accused them of being liberals, a people without roots who had Judaized Germans beyond salvation. In 1879 Marr founded the "League for Anti-Semitism".

Le't see you provide proof of your assertions.

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RE: Obama Backs Deal Based on 1967 Lines - 5/23/2011 8:23:07 AM   
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point us out one of your 'inconvienient facts', because I will take issue that you have provided any.

Exactly you've decided already that your right so there is no frickin' point.



I pointed you to an example that proved your infinitive statement was in fact not true, and you ignored it... why? because you are one of those people who likes to ignore anything that does not agree with your view of the universe... pot-kettle-black buddy

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RE: Obama Backs Deal Based on 1967 Lines - 5/23/2011 8:31:54 AM   
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Yeah, you are such an online bully.   I bet you wouldn't try that crapolina in my house, jules.



I am just a baddie, I am.....

I find that people who cannot debate their way out of a papersack have to get personal and make it all about me... whatever

Poor Jules accusing others of not debatin' properly when she resorts to labellin' them without need. Talking of all things "ironikal" ain't it ironic she has this quote as her signature "Once you label me, you negate me ~ Soren Kierkegaard"

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ORIGINAL: mnottertail
point us out one of your 'inconvienient facts', because I will take issue that you have provided any.

Exactly you've decided already that your right so there is no frickin' point.

I pointed you to an example that proved your infinitive statement was in fact not true, and you ignored it... why? because you are one of those people who likes to ignore anything that does not agree with your view of the universe... pot-kettle-black buddy

Great you accepted you were wrong on a thread bout emotions but wonder would you do the same on any of the issues that matter to you: Islam, feminism or 'rael. I doubted.

Hey I was jus responding to your criticism with one of my own so lets not make it personal... how bout you bein' da bully cuze you started it with someone else?

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RE: Obama Backs Deal Based on 1967 Lines - 5/23/2011 8:35:34 AM   
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Yeah, you are such an online bully.   I bet you wouldn't try that crapolina in my house, jules.



I am just a baddie, I am.....

I find that people who cannot debate their way out of a papersack have to get personal and make it all about me... whatever


I find that people who are clueless about a topic start a ludicrous exchange with others who are just as clueless, reinforce each others misconceptions, and take as gospel the word of a proven anti-Semite.

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RE: Obama Backs Deal Based on 1967 Lines - 5/23/2011 8:36:03 AM   
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So, in this you feel justified.  You are solicited to provide an example and you pout and whine that it would not be of benefit, prior to your example.  I cannot be guilty because you argue logical fallacies.

This, is an 'inconvienient fact' regarding anti-semitic: 

It was coined in 1879 by German journalist Wilhelm Marr in a pamphlet called, "The Victory of Germandom over Jewry". Using ideas of race and nationalism, Marr argued that Jews had become the first major power in the West. He accused them of being liberals, a people without roots who had Judaized Germans beyond salvation. In 1879 Marr founded the "League for Anti-Semitism".

Le't see you provide proof of your assertions.

If you see a pout and a whine thats your weird 'magination budley. Point is I'm not about to waste my day givin' you examples if your mind is already made up. Jules the divinly right said anti-sem related to all semites. I said "non" m'lady. That term originated with a pseudo-scientic terminology to justify hatred of Jooz. You appear to agree so WTF!

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RE: Obama Backs Deal Based on 1967 Lines - 5/23/2011 8:37:34 AM   
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Status: offline 		If I was wrong I certainly would have...

Yanno, you can sit here and debate me personally, or you can try to find information to support your assertions. I do not think I have ever seen a post in which you had actual information from a source to support a fucking thing you have ever said... again, pot-kettle-black... stop projecting.

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RE: Obama Backs Deal Based on 1967 Lines - 5/23/2011 8:37:45 AM   
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Yeah, you are such an online bully.   I bet you wouldn't try that crapolina in my house, jules.



I am just a baddie, I am.....

I find that people who cannot debate their way out of a papersack have to get personal and make it all about me... whatever


I find that people who are clueless about a topic start a ludicrous exchange with others who are just as clueless, reinforce each others misconceptions, and take as gospel the word of a proven anti-Semite.


wilbur-trotsky gives us the benefit of his communist manifesto, again.

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RE: Obama Backs Deal Based on 1967 Lines - 5/23/2011 8:42:09 AM   
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Yeah, you are such an online bully.   I bet you wouldn't try that crapolina in my house, jules.



I am just a baddie, I am.....

I find that people who cannot debate their way out of a papersack have to get personal and make it all about me... whatever


I find that people who are clueless about a topic start a ludicrous exchange with others who are just as clueless, reinforce each others misconceptions, and take as gospel the word of a proven anti-Semite.


That is hilarious when I see you engaged in that behavior at least as often as I do...

HINT: this is a BDSM site. If you had some notion that you were actually discussing politics in some sort of professional impersonal sort of way, you really need to surf the internet more often....

Freaking hilarious. I do not come here to play grab ass with people I wouldn't piss on if they were on fire. I come here to chat up with internet friends and occasionally talk about larger issues. If all of the sudden it was deemed incorrect to do so, I wouldn't come here. I definitely don't come here for an intellectual debate with the opposition...


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RE: Obama Backs Deal Based on 1967 Lines - 5/23/2011 8:51:33 AM   
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If I was wrong I certainly would have...

Yanno, you can sit here and debate me personally, or you can try to find information to support your assertions. I do not think I have ever seen a post in which you had actual information from a source to support a fucking thing you have ever said... again, pot-kettle-black... stop projecting.

Jules you buy into every pro-P view no matter how daft yet have limited know. Want one xample? You got angry when I said 'rael ain't apartheid as there are diff admin laws for most Pals in the West Bank with da PA admin. Concede much - fuck no!!! You threw all manner of accusations bout being a liar etc. I check plenty of sources but don't bother with frickin' lectures, just offerin alternative views and let me say i was surprised cuze we had a few laughs on here before this shit.

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RE: Obama Backs Deal Based on 1967 Lines - 5/23/2011 8:54:55 AM   
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So, in this you feel justified.  You are solicited to provide an example and you pout and whine that it would not be of benefit, prior to your example.  I cannot be guilty because you argue logical fallacies.

This, is an 'inconvienient fact' regarding anti-semitic: 

It was coined in 1879 by German journalist Wilhelm Marr in a pamphlet called, "The Victory of Germandom over Jewry". Using ideas of race and nationalism, Marr argued that Jews had become the first major power in the West. He accused them of being liberals, a people without roots who had Judaized Germans beyond salvation. In 1879 Marr founded the "League for Anti-Semitism".

Le't see you provide proof of your assertions.

If you see a pout and a whine thats your weird 'magination budley. Point is I'm not about to waste my day givin' you examples if your mind is already made up. Jules the divinly right said anti-sem related to all semites. I said "non" m'lady. That term originated with a pseudo-scientic terminology to justify hatred of Jooz. You appear to agree so WTF!


I agree with jules on this, and have proven that its real meaning is a perversion by racists, for you racists.  Your ad hominem circumstantial is really an elide.   The racists are like skunks, first to smell their own hole. 

So, to expect a middle eastern country to try to find peaceful solutions with its neighbors is racist?

Snore.  Try to glean a clue.  


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RE: Obama Backs Deal Based on 1967 Lines - 5/23/2011 8:58:17 AM   
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Status: offline 		If I may point out a simple truth that many seem to be forgetting here, the idea of Israel moving back to the 1967 borders is not Obama's, it was part of the original peace deal brokered between Israel and the Palestinians in Oslo and other peace negotiations, helped by both Republican and Democrat presidents.

The problem is that Israel signs these agreements, then immediately violates them.

President Clinton was present at the Oslo conference, President George H.W. Bush was present at the earlier Madrid Conference. In every peace talk conference since, the 1967 Israel borders was agreed on to divide Israel and Palestine.

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RE: Obama Backs Deal Based on 1967 Lines - 5/23/2011 9:00:59 AM   
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Status: offline 		It was only derailed by the assassination of Rabin... which was not a Palestinian act.

Both sides have extremists that do not want to see peace.

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