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Sanity -> RE: Use of insulting names (5/22/2011 10:40:52 AM)
Actually julia... You are 180 degrees out of phase Its leftists such as yourself who routinely dehumanize your political foes (Who was the Chimp-In-Chief) For some time now Ive been pointing out (very effectively, and with the help of several leftists here on these boards) how you leftists cannot debate a topic without resorting to ad hominems, which is essentially the debasement of the debate foe You are in fact resorting to a very nasty sort of an ad hominem attack right here, below quote: ORIGINAL: juliaoceania We could talk about your absurd notion that any human being using an ideology when they are convinced of its rightness (and I that is not intended to be a pun) can do abhorrent things as a result. People justify all sorts of immorality because they are convinced of the "evil" of the other side. Posts like yours are the first step towards the demonization, dehumanization, and the rationalization that is used to justify inhumanity... all because someone believes differently than you.

Politesub53 -> RE: Use of insulting names (5/22/2011 11:06:25 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BitaTruble quote: ORIGINAL: Politesub53 Care to fully elaborate on this ? He's talking about Bill Clintons honorary knighthood. No difference between that knighthood and the one which George Bush and Ronald Reagan received.. so a "shrug, so what" sort of attitude is perfectly acceptable as a response. Hes talking nonsense, Clinton never got a knighthood, honourary or otherwise. Thats why I asked him to elaborate.

juliaoceania -> RE: Use of insulting names (5/22/2011 11:12:07 AM)
quote: Actually julia... You are 180 degrees out of phase Its leftists such as yourself who routinely dehumanize your political foes (Who was the Chimp-In-Chief) For some time now Ive been pointing out (very effectively, and with the help of several leftists here on these boards) how you leftists cannot debate a topic without resorting to ad hominems, which is essentially the debasement of the debate foe You are in fact resorting to a very nasty sort of an ad hominem attack right here, below Let me type more slowly... Saying that an individual has done some immoral thing, is an asshole, etc, is not dehumanizing to an entire group of people who may happen to agree with some of his policies.... perhaps you will refuse to ever acknowledge how saying all people who believe a certain way are in some way culpable in the deaths of millions is dehumanizing

Sanity -> RE: Use of insulting names (5/22/2011 12:06:06 PM)
I might have a better attitude towards leftists in general despite all their historic mass murder campaigns if I werent witnessing leftists here in America and in Europe busily dehumanizing their political opponents julia Demonizing rightists who dare to exercise their free speech rights... (Coulter, Limbaugh, et al.) or who broadcast or print some balancing news, facts and opinion contrary to the distortions of the far left establishment media

Sanity -> RE: Use of insulting names (5/22/2011 12:13:04 PM)
Consider also how leftists typically demonize and dehumanize any right of center political figure as well Palin, Gingrich, Bush, Jindal... and so on Even Colin Powell was referred to here on these boards with racially derogatory terms during the Bush years

Sanity -> RE: Use of insulting names (5/22/2011 12:20:24 PM)
This is all true, many American leftists have been stooges and apologists for such scourges of mankind Too many have been, far too many - with their unwavering support for Saddam Hussein being only the latest such example in a long lineup quote: ORIGINAL: luckydawg Sannity, and they denied these crimes as they happened, and justified them for being anti Capitalists after the fact. Stalin gave the people Universal Health Care after all, just like Castro.

subexploring -> RE: Use of insulting names (5/22/2011 12:39:50 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Sanity This is all true, many American leftists have been stooges and apologists for such scourges of mankind Too many have been, far too many - with their unwavering support for Saddam Hussein being only the latest such example in a long lineup Huh? It was the American right -- starting with Reagan -- which offered the support to Saddam Hussein. Do I really have to repost the picture of Donald Rumsfeld shaking hands with Saddam again? The American left just correctly protested the policies which ended up killing hundreds of thousands (possibly a million or more) innocent Iraqi civilians with no security threat to America whatsoever. I'd also point out that the American right is directly responsible for Pol Pot coming to power in Cambodia. America overthrew Sihanouk because he wouldn't aid our war in Vietnam -- following the U.S. terror bombing of Cambodian civilians Sihanouk was unable to retain power and Pol Pot replaced him. Left wing support for Stalin is inexcusable. Castro was better than Batista at first, but rapidly declined into just another dictator. Mao, on the other hand, is a really underrated leader, who despite his flaws laid the foundation for the Chinese rise we are seeing today. I think any objective examination of the historical record shows this. His reputation will be pretty firmly established by historians by the end of this century, I would think.

rulemylife -> RE: Use of insulting names (5/22/2011 12:45:01 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: FullCircle quote: ORIGINAL: Real0ne I was wondering how long it would take someone to come out here and call a government *servant* a LEADER!!! Dog leads owner! LMAO Naming them leaders is a statement of fact, you've empowered them to create laws which you must abide by. They are also leaders in the sense that they are setting the agenda by choosing societies priorities. Most normal people thus refer to them as political leaders. There are civil servants and there are political leaders, don't confuse the two. Did you ever think that viewing them as "leaders" might be a big part of the problem with government?

FullCircle -> RE: Use of insulting names (5/22/2011 1:00:22 PM)
No because they are supposed to represent the consensus of our votes and I believe in democracy not the whims of the individual. Besides which it's not that I personally view them as leaders, they might not be great leaders but it's just the reality of what they are. These questions almost always turn into a game of semantics. What's wrong with our government/political system (in the UK at least) is that it is party based where people too often seem to vote for their favourite team; much like they are at a football game supporting a side. It doesn't seem to be about what the individual local candidate represents because as soon as they get into government they are whipped to vote a certain way by the party machine. We had a referendum on AV recently but whatever the voting system it wouldn't have changed the way deals are done in government post manifesto. I can only point out the problems not the solutions so I'm not really that helpful.

rulemylife -> RE: Use of insulting names (5/22/2011 1:26:09 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: TreasureKY quote: ORIGINAL: sunshinemiss While you may not like what President Obama does / doesn't do, your action of calling him names does not harm anyone. It merely makes you look like you have no class. Bless your heart, sweet-thing. [:)] I wish I could say it would do any good. I've tried for quite some time to appeal to people's better natures with regard to how they refer to our President. With how my pleas have fallen on deaf ears, I've concluded the perpetrators indeed have no class. I've concluded there is a serious lack of historical knowledge among those who believe this is something new.

rulemylife -> RE: Use of insulting names (5/22/2011 1:33:14 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: FullCircle No because they are supposed to represent the consensus of our votes and I believe in democracy not the whims of the individual. Besides which it's not that I personally view them as leaders, they might not be great leaders but it's just the reality of what they are. These questions almost always turn into a game of semantics. What's wrong with our government/political system (in the UK at least) is that it is party based where people too often seem to vote for their favourite team; much like they are at a football game supporting a side. It doesn't seem to be about what the individual local candidate represents because as soon as they get into government they are whipped to vote a certain way by the party machine. We had a referendum on AV recently but whatever the voting system it wouldn't have changed the way deals are done in government post manifesto. I can only point out the problems not the solutions so I'm not really that helpful. Re-read what you just said. You want to call them representatives and leaders in the same breath.

TreasureKY -> RE: Use of insulting names (5/22/2011 1:33:16 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: rulemylife quote: ORIGINAL: TreasureKY quote: ORIGINAL: sunshinemiss While you may not like what President Obama does / doesn't do, your action of calling him names does not harm anyone. It merely makes you look like you have no class. Bless your heart, sweet-thing. [:)] I wish I could say it would do any good. I've tried for quite some time to appeal to people's better natures with regard to how they refer to our President. With how my pleas have fallen on deaf ears, I've concluded the perpetrators indeed have no class. I've concluded there is a serious lack of historical knowledge among those who believe this is something new. I don't seem to recall anyone here saying this was something new. [8\|]

rulemylife -> RE: Use of insulting names (5/22/2011 1:35:14 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: TreasureKY quote: ORIGINAL: rulemylife quote: ORIGINAL: TreasureKY quote: ORIGINAL: sunshinemiss While you may not like what President Obama does / doesn't do, your action of calling him names does not harm anyone. It merely makes you look like you have no class. Bless your heart, sweet-thing. [:)] I wish I could say it would do any good. I've tried for quite some time to appeal to people's better natures with regard to how they refer to our President. With how my pleas have fallen on deaf ears, I've concluded the perpetrators indeed have no class. I've concluded there is a serious lack of historical knowledge among those who believe this is something new. I don't seem to recall anyone here saying this was something new. [8\|] So then why the big fuss about it now? It's been going on since this country was founded.

Sanity -> RE: Use of insulting names (5/22/2011 1:38:10 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: subexploring Huh? It was the American right -- starting with Reagan -- which offered the support to Saddam Hussein. Do I really have to repost the picture of Donald Rumsfeld shaking hands with Saddam again? Post it all you want, that was another time and those were completely different circumstances quote: The American left just correctly protested the policies which ended up killing hundreds of thousands (possibly a million or more) innocent Iraqi civilians with no security threat to America whatsoever. It was Muslim on Muslim violence that did almost all of the killing in Iraq, with coalition forces bending over backward to avoid undue civilian casualties, save for the few criminal acts which brought arrests, trials and dfitting punishment quote: I'd also point out that the American right is directly responsible for Pol Pot coming to power in Cambodia. America overthrew Sihanouk because he wouldn't aid our war in Vietnam -- following the U.S. terror bombing of Cambodian civilians Sihanouk was unable to retain power and Pol Pot replaced him. Right... that was Americas fault... [8\|] Actually Had it not been for American leftists the United States may well have prevailed in the Southeast Asia campaigns, thus denying the leftists there the opportunity to commit all the violence that they did quote: Left wing support for Stalin is inexcusable. Thank you. quote: Castro was better than Batista at first, but rapidly declined into just another dictator. There was very little that could be considered good about Castro quote: Mao, on the other hand, is a really underrated leader, who despite his flaws laid the foundation for the Chinese rise we are seeing today. I think any objective examination of the historical record shows this. His reputation will be pretty firmly established by historians by the end of this century, I would think. Underrated if one considers mass murder something which may easily be overlooked I suppose

kdsub -> RE: Use of insulting names (5/22/2011 2:15:50 PM)
I must admit privately I cussed a blue streak over attacking a nation that had not attacked us… and with my vote I did something about it. But I am long over that anger…it does no good to harp on the past except to make sure it is not forgotten. Same with people here in CM…I forgive easily and hope I am forgiven as well. Butch

FullCircle -> RE: Use of insulting names (5/22/2011 2:22:29 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: rulemylife Re-read what you just said. You want to call them representatives and leaders in the same breath. Are you making the claim that me calling them leaders has an impact on how government functions? The reality is they care for our opinion as long as we are undecided in terms of who to vote for but then after the vote we've given them the mandate to lead. They don't hold referendums on every aspect of government. The reason they are leaders is because running a government happens in real-time they can't ask you what to do when the aliens invade so yes they have to lead. At the same time they are representatives because yes they can't lead without a mandate detailing what they intend to do for society during their watch. We really have to separate how we measure delivery targets being met (the things we asked them to do) from the things that crop up unexpectedly and require leadership (alien invasion). Am I being controversial here? Basically I could say anything couldn't I? I know I can't be wrong about everything but sometimes I get that impression, it's really exhausting.

FullCircle -> RE: Use of insulting names (5/22/2011 2:36:17 PM)
Actually did we ask them to do anything? I can't remember asking my MP to have a referendum on AV. The political elite, pressure groups and think tanks ask for things, the politicians moot them and we vote for or against.

Moonhead -> RE: Use of insulting names (5/22/2011 2:39:19 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Sanity Had it not been for American leftists the United States may well have prevailed in the Southeast Asia campaigns, thus denying the leftists there the opportunity to commit all the violence that they did I've heard Nixon and Kissinger called a lot of things in my time, but "leftists" is definitely a new one...

juliaoceania -> RE: Use of insulting names (5/22/2011 2:56:23 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: kdsub I must admit privately I cussed a blue streak over attacking a nation that had not attacked us… and with my vote I did something about it. But I am long over that anger…it does no good to harp on the past except to make sure it is not forgotten. Same with people here in CM…I forgive easily and hope I am forgiven as well. Butch I do not know anyone personally on this site... I do not know what they are like in real life. I have no idea what value they bring to this world. There are possibly people here who have posts I do not care for whom I might like in real life.... hold grudges? Nope, not really into allowing pixels to make me that angry about anything... But invading a country, a course of action that still causes American service people to never come home, or come home damaged... still pissed off over that.

juliaoceania -> RE: Use of insulting names (5/22/2011 2:58:02 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Moonhead quote: ORIGINAL: Sanity Had it not been for American leftists the United States may well have prevailed in the Southeast Asia campaigns, thus denying the leftists there the opportunity to commit all the violence that they did I've heard Nixon and Kissinger called a lot of things in my time, but "leftists" is definitely a new one... He makes irrational connections because he has to demonize everything "left". It pervades almost everything he posts... it reads almost like OCD

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