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RE: Male vs. Female Dominance (My 1st thread) - 5/31/2011 6:39:55 PM   
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Heh.  Just think, Heather.  Someday you will be reading the forum and you will realize you can hear Domiguy.
Oh I can hear him just fine thank you, how else do you think I know I'm just a stupid whore and a fucked up lezbo cunt?

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RE: Male vs. Female Dominance (My 1st thread) - 5/31/2011 6:41:01 PM   
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RE: Male vs. Female Dominance (My 1st thread) - 5/31/2011 6:49:31 PM   
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ORIGINAL: HeatherMcLeather

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Heh.  Just think, Heather.  Someday you will be reading the forum and you will realize you can hear Domiguy.
Oh I can hear him just fine thank you, how else do you think I know I'm just a stupid whore and a fucked up lezbo cunt?

That's how he expresses affection.

I'm not even kidding.

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RE: Male vs. Female Dominance (My 1st thread) - 5/31/2011 6:50:56 PM   
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Heh.  Just think, Heather.  Someday you will be reading the forum and you will realize you can hear Domiguy.
Oh I can hear him just fine thank you, how else do you think I know I'm just a stupid whore and a fucked up lezbo cunt?


Yeah, Domi likes you. Im just insane to him, I dont get to be a cunt.

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RE: Male vs. Female Dominance (My 1st thread) - 5/31/2011 6:52:59 PM   
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  If you were to remove social conditioning from the participants, would penile penetration of a woman by a man be felt by her as dominant?  I contend that it would and as reference, I point you to the various feminist dogma
Your reference isn't valid because that "feminist dogma" as you call it is a result of the reaction of a few radical man-haters to their social conditioning. You can't use arguments based on social conditioning to back up a statement about how something would be if all social conditioning were removed. besides, your using the ideas of a very tiny fringe of the feminist movement, one that has been so marginalized that even though i have been raised as a feminist my entire life, I've never heard anybody say any of the things you attribute to feminist dogma except in an anti-feminist tirade. feminists don't think that way, sorry.

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there's a sexual dominance which a man can express which is simply unavailable to a woman.
I'm sorry, but I just don't agree. As you stated, we build models based on our experience, and all my experience directly contradicts your model. I guess we'll just have to disagree.

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Their Domme screams at them, they get turned on and that's dominance to them. To me, it just looks like a fetish.
How is your pulling a sub's hair and her getting turned on any different than the Domme screaming? both are acts which turn on the submissive, so both are equally a fetish or not. (p.s. I can't be sure, but I believe that very few Dommes actually scream at their subs very regularly.

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Clever girl. And I say this without one iota of condescension. I genuinely mean it.
Thank you.

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RE: Male vs. Female Dominance (My 1st thread) - 5/31/2011 6:56:47 PM   
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Awww! Domi likes you!

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That's how he expresses affection.

I'm not even kidding.

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Yeah, Domi likes you.


I'm not allowed to quote emails on here, so you'll just have to take my word for it that it is quite clear from the context and the rest of what was said in the emails that you are wrong.

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RE: Male vs. Female Dominance (My 1st thread) - 5/31/2011 7:09:37 PM   
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RE: Male vs. Female Dominance (My 1st thread) - 5/31/2011 7:36:24 PM   
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I have to say: On the whole, I do think it'd probably be helpful if on this occasion Domi could stop being such a total arse, for once.

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RE: Male vs. Female Dominance (My 1st thread) - 5/31/2011 7:47:29 PM   
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RE: Male vs. Female Dominance (My 1st thread) - 5/31/2011 7:53:45 PM   
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Sometimes it's hard to believe what a decent bloke he is in real life...

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RE: Male vs. Female Dominance (My 1st thread) - 5/31/2011 7:56:22 PM   
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RE: Male vs. Female Dominance (My 1st thread) - 5/31/2011 8:06:13 PM   
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I'm sure there are some people who attempt to beat their horses (or their dogs, or their subs) into submission, but that doesn't really work. Even if you think you succeeded, you just created a broken down thing that is subject to attack you the first chance it gets.
I once knew of a guy with a serious case of little man's disease who got off on 'training' a 1300lb, green broke perch mare. The horse was fine if you just showed her how easy it was to do what she was asked, but he preferred to be all 'dominant' and try to force her.

I have to say that no one was a bit surprised when she saw her chance, reared up, went sideways off a short, steep incline, and rolled on him... repeatedly. It took 3 people to get her off of him because she wouldn't stop. She didn't kill him (unfortunately), but he did take a trip to the hospital for multiple broken bones, lacerations and bruised kidneys. He spent the next three weeks pissing blood and looking like he'd been hit by a freight train.

Physical 'dominance' will only take one so far, and the backlash can be a serious bitch.


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RE: Male vs. Female Dominance (My 1st thread) - 5/31/2011 8:17:22 PM   
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Physical 'dominance' will only take one so far, and the backlash can be a serious bitch.
I think this is very true, and I also think it would be much more obvious to people if more female subs weighed 1300 lbs.

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RE: Male vs. Female Dominance (My 1st thread) - 5/31/2011 8:24:28 PM   
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ORIGINAL: HeatherMcLeather
Oh I can hear him just fine thank you

I don't thiiiiiiiiink so. :)

This isn't a question to answer in public, but consider it, if you would. Why are you powerful enough in his life that he sent emails to you? Or Hannah Lynn, or both? I'm a big fan of yours, but I've never sent you an email. Meant in the best possible way, you aren't important enough to me yet so that I would want to write you privately. Why was he invested in you to that extent?

I'm not saying he likes you. I don't know, or care. But you are neglecting to analyse a power dynamic because you are feeling butt hurt.

Please don't post any kind of specific response on this thread. I an performing edge play on the TOS as it is.

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RE: Male vs. Female Dominance (My 1st thread) - 5/31/2011 8:49:24 PM   
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RE: Male vs. Female Dominance (My 1st thread) - 5/31/2011 9:14:06 PM   
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I think this is very true, and I also think it would be much more obvious to people if more female subs weighed 1300 lbs.
Ever see the movie 'The Burning Bed'? They have to sleep sometime, 1300lb sub or no.

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RE: Male vs. Female Dominance (My 1st thread) - 5/31/2011 10:00:15 PM   
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Again, I doubt it's all men, I think it's just you women feel resentment for, to be honest, one hasn't have to be a lesbian, in fact from what I've seen here, one doesn't even have to be female....
  Do you seriously think your sniping from the peanut gallery has any effect upon me?  I mean besides inducing contempt for your weakness?

On the whole, it's probably better if you're silent while the adults are talking.


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RE: Male vs. Female Dominance (My 1st thread) - 5/31/2011 10:15:18 PM   
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ORIGINAL: HeatherMcLeather
I think this is very true, and I also think it would be much more obvious to people if more female subs weighed 1300 lbs.

Much to my own amusement, it appears that most humans don't really get what it means to be human. We are the apex predator on this planet. We are incredibly violent and incredibly good at it. If real life were a sci-fi movie, we'd be the badass alien.

I wouldn't think of a grizzly bear as being very "safe" -- even if it was old, sick, female, and asleep. How much less so then for a human?


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RE: Male vs. Female Dominance (My 1st thread) - 5/31/2011 10:21:34 PM   
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ORIGINAL: HeatherMcLeather

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ORIGINAL: Awareness
If you were to remove social conditioning from the participants, would penile penetration of a woman by a man be felt by her as dominant?  I contend that it would and as reference, I point you to the various feminist dogma
Your reference isn't valid because that "feminist dogma" as you call it is a result of the reaction of a few radical man-haters to their social conditioning.
  That's a fairly bold assertion you may find difficult to back up.  The original feminists were fairly intense and had a real understanding and appreciation of power dynamics between the sexes.  And I'm not for one moment allowing your use of 'social conditioning' as an all-encompassing force which moulds minds.  I think that's utter nonsense and shows a misunderstanding of exactly how human beings operate.

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You can't use arguments based on social conditioning to back up a statement about how something would be if all social conditioning were removed. besides, your using the ideas of a very tiny fringe of the feminist movement, one that has been so marginalized that even though i have been raised as a feminist my entire life, I've never heard anybody say any of the things you attribute to feminist dogma except in an anti-feminist tirade. feminists don't think that way, sorry.
  First off, the feminist dogma is a reference point simply because it explores gender-based power dynamics, in particular the role of penetrative sex.  Secondly, I think you'll find it was probably quite a popular set of notions in second-wave feminism - hardly the marginal sect you're claiming.  Thirdly, your brand of feminism is considerably watered down because a lot of the rights feminists were originally campaigning for have been accepted in many modern societies as inalienable rights available to all citizens regardless of gender.  So your brand of feminism isn't heavily based in political and gender theory and at your age you really haven't had much of a chance to explore it.  Your personal experience doesn't provide you with much evidence to counter the notion.

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there's a sexual dominance which a man can express which is simply unavailable to a woman.
I'm sorry, but I just don't agree. As you stated, we build models based on our experience, and all my experience directly contradicts your model. I guess we'll just have to disagree.
  You've been sexually dominated by a man?

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Their Domme screams at them, they get turned on and that's dominance to them. To me, it just looks like a fetish.
How is your pulling a sub's hair and her getting turned on any different than the Domme screaming? both are acts which turn on the submissive, so both are equally a fetish or not. (p.s. I can't be sure, but I believe that very few Dommes actually scream at their subs very regularly.
  Female subs don't just get turned on, they often transition into subspace.  There's an almost physiological response to dominance from a male.  In other words an expression of dominance still evokes a submissive response despite being entirely devoid of content.  And that submission and sexual response are usually linked.   In contrast, male subs seem to go with the submission because it's a route to getting their fetish stroked.  And I think there's room for querying whether it's submission they're responding to or simply the attention and sexual aggression from a woman who wants them.


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RE: Male vs. Female Dominance (My 1st thread) - 5/31/2011 11:15:35 PM   
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Part of it, and you probably won't like it, is that we're primates, and female primates aren't really part of the whole alpha hierarchy - it does happen, there are female alphas, and of course it's not as uncommon in humans as it is in other primate species, but on average, females are simply outside the hierarchy - i.e., it really doesn't matter what women do, lesbians very seldom get attacked for being homosexual (although they do get attacked for being women), but men do, all the time - guys tend to take all that status stuff very seriously, it's like life or death, so they tend to be a bit more reptilian about it, i.e., displays, body language, etc.

Women are actually lucky that way, they can wear culottes, they can cry for no reason, act dizzy, nobody gives a shit, you can do anything you want, a guy can't get caught dead doing any of that shit.

Anyway, personally, I don't think it's about what you do, it's more about how you do it - French kissing is oral sex in manner of speaking, is it dom or sub? Could be either, could be neither.

Penetration is a big hang up for some people, men penetrate, women are penetrated, that's just the biological arrangement, but it's also potent symbolism: for guys, being penetrated is associated with a loss of status, outside the hierarchy - being female, - that's what war is all about, you penetrate the other guy, with a spear, a sword, a bullet, an ICBM - the loser is the guy that gets penetrated.

Yeah, it's a little weird - but next time you watch football, notice how exited the announcer gets when one team "penetrates the others backfield", lol.

I dunno, I'll play, as long as chicks like getting penetrated, I'll penetrate em - dominance and submission to me is much more about who controls the TV remote.

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