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RE: Free College. - 6/2/2011 9:35:59 PM

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Having now reviewed enough of your incoherent blatherings (e.g., you were the one who offered that stupid comparison of a "mother's love" to a free education in medicine), you've shown your worth as being akin to that of a slinky -- i.e., not good for much, but fun to push down stairs.

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RE: Free College. - 6/3/2011 8:05:06 PM

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Having now reviewed enough of your incoherent blatherings (e.g., you were the one who offered that stupid comparison of a "mother's love" to a free education in medicine), you've shown your worth as being akin to that of a slinky -- i.e., not good for much, but fun to push down stairs.

Is that "dumbass" code for "your questions are too difficult for me to answer so I will sit on the side and snipe and snark because I have nothing to offer this discussion"?

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RE: Free College. - 6/3/2011 8:15:40 PM

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tazzy I would say the more education we have as a country the easier it will be to maintain our status in the world and the higher our standard of living will be at home...BUT... I believe the free education should be based on grade averages and entrance examines.

Otherwise if we don't encourage excellence and work ethic in academics we will overwhelm our teachers with underachievers.

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RE: Free College. - 6/3/2011 8:34:49 PM

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What walks down stairs, alone or in pairs

and makes a slinkety sound?

A spring, a Spring, a marvelous spring,

everyone knows it's Slinky!!!

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RE: Free College. - 6/3/2011 8:36:22 PM

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Butch, the article stated the requirements to get into a medical program would remain the same... only the financial question would be eliminated.

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RE: Free College. - 6/3/2011 8:43:04 PM

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Sorry...I thought you were using medical school as an example but not limiting the free education to medical school alone.

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RE: Free College. - 6/3/2011 9:21:44 PM

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I would expect any college with free tuition would have the same standards to get in.

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RE: Free College. - 6/4/2011 8:09:11 AM

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It would be something to watch…after all… public education now does not require good grade school grades to get into junior high school…or good junior high grades to get into high school. If a free college education were to be guaranteed to all regardless of scholastic ability I can see problems.

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RE: Free College. - 6/4/2011 10:07:36 AM

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It looks to me that the problem is not the cost of the education at all. We don't have enough residency spots, not for primaries, not for specialists. I'd look for some creative thinking in that area, not so much in the offsetting costs area.

I mean, if a person:

is willing to blindly go where the residency lotto sends him,
and he's convinced his loved one to follow to God knows where for 4 to 6 or more years (and some fields require a year at one facility then your 4 years at another, so 2 moves to states/facilities you have little control/say over) where he/she will be absent or sleeping for the duration,
and he's aware that he will have no life for at least 10 years (and after that only if he's gone into certain fields over others),
and if he's female, how the hell to have at least one child during the residency (because if you wait till you are done and set up in your own practice, you are now in a higher risk age group for pregnancy)

.... paying back their student loans is the EASY part of medicine. I'd look at opening some other forms of after school/on-the-job training if residency spots are so limited. Urgent care, walk in clinics, even private practices ... is there a reason that so many years MUST be spent in emergency and/or hospitals specifically? Suppose we sent them to a clinic for one of their residency years rather than a hospital?

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RE: Free College. - 6/4/2011 11:00:45 AM

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As for the why a hospital question... because ER's tend to be the melting pot of illnesses and diseases. Newborn to dying, sniffles to cardiac, gunshot to poison... no where else will they get that kind of training.... and no where else are they more needed, especially in big cities.

The reason residency slots are limited is 1) Medicare pays for only so many. 2) The AMA allows only so many. So, even if you could pay for your own, the AMA would not allow it.

Interesting how an organization limits, then complains about those limits, then complains about the lack, then complains about being overworked, then complains about being underpaid.

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RE: Free College. - 6/4/2011 11:56:34 AM

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It looks to me that the problem is not the cost of the education at all. We don't have enough residency spots, not for primaries, not for specialists. I'd look for some creative thinking in that area, not so much in the offsetting costs area.

I mean, if a person:

is willing to blindly go where the residency lotto sends him,
and he's convinced his loved one to follow to God knows where for 4 to 6 or more years (and some fields require a year at one facility then your 4 years at another, so 2 moves to states/facilities you have little control/say over) where he/she will be absent or sleeping for the duration,
and he's aware that he will have no life for at least 10 years (and after that only if he's gone into certain fields over others),
and if he's female, how the hell to have at least one child during the residency (because if you wait till you are done and set up in your own practice, you are now in a higher risk age group for pregnancy)

.... paying back their student loans is the EASY part of medicine. I'd look at opening some other forms of after school/on-the-job training if residency spots are so limited. Urgent care, walk in clinics, even private practices ... is there a reason that so many years MUST be spent in emergency and/or hospitals specifically? Suppose we sent them to a clinic for one of their residency years rather than a hospital?

Now this, and its pre-cursor, not enough medical school openings, might be a legitimate criticism of the health care system. Are the profession's limitations on openings appropriate and needed to maintain high teaching and admittance standards, or is it artifically limiting the supply of capable doctors?

Addresses this which was posted while I was typing as well:

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2) The AMA allows only so many. So, even if you could pay for your own, the AMA would not allow it.

Interesting how an organization limits, then complains about those limits, then complains about the lack, then complains about being overworked, then complains about being underpaid.

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RE: Free College. - 6/4/2011 12:05:46 PM

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I think, to be honest, willbe, that its both. Limiting access means the "cream" should rise to the top, and only the most deserving will get those coveted slots.

But, they also limit for, what I believe to be, selfish reasons. If you limit the competition, then you can command a higher price.

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RE: Free College. - 6/4/2011 4:02:34 PM

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tazzy I would say the more education we have as a country the easier it will be to maintain our status in the world and the higher our standard of living will be at home...BUT... I believe the free education should be based on grade averages and entrance examines.

Otherwise if we don't encourage excellence and work ethic in academics we will overwhelm our teachers with underachievers.

Butch

Are you saying that the slow and the stupid should be kicked to the curb?

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RE: Free College. - 6/4/2011 4:09:45 PM

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It would be something to watch…after all… public education now does not require good grade school grades to get into junior high school…or good junior high grades to get into high school.

Students are held back all the time if they fail to grasp what is being taught. If you are talking about "social promotion" I have heard of but never seen it. Perhaps you have some links to prove that students who are failing are passed on to the next higher grade.

If a free college education were to be guaranteed to all regardless of scholastic ability I can see problems.

Access to college is based not only on proven scolastic ability but if you get failing grades in college they will put you on academic probation and if your grades do not improve to the minimum acceptable standards they will toss your ass out.

Butch