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RE: "Primetime Propaganda' - 6/2/2011 9:30:21 AM   
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Yep Channel 4
The very antichrist of conservatism,l in the uk anyway

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RE: "Primetime Propaganda' - 6/2/2011 9:55:09 AM   
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They're not the BBC, though...

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RE: "Primetime Propaganda' - 6/2/2011 10:06:32 AM   
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Thats dougals fault, Boing time for bed

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RE: "Primetime Propaganda' - 6/2/2011 10:08:29 AM   
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So if Hollywood is liberal (according to Sanity......I know.....stay with me on this one), what does Anima and Hentai say of Japan?

Seriously Sanity, is this your best attempt to get people's minds off the lastest failed tactic of the GOP/TP? I guess in my book, the lastest one, is Rommey declaring he'll run for President for 2012.

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RE: "Primetime Propaganda' - 6/2/2011 10:11:03 AM   
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The Magic Roundabout (a la Carrott...)

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RE: "Primetime Propaganda' - 6/2/2011 10:11:03 AM   
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So if Hollywood is liberal (according to Sanity......I know.....stay with me on this one), what does Anima and Hentai say of Japan?

Seriously Sanity, is this your best attempt to get people's minds off the lastest failed tactic of the GOP/TP? I guess in my book, the lastest one, is Rommey declaring he'll run for President for 2012.


Failed tactic? His announcement speech was extremely well done. And without a teleprompter!

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RE: "Primetime Propaganda' - 6/2/2011 10:12:30 AM   
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RE: "Primetime Propaganda' - 6/2/2011 12:06:33 PM   
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The book makes the case that TV industry executives, writers and producers use their clout to advance a liberal political agenda.


I hope the book highlights some actual examples then or it's quite a poor case. I was an avid Happy Days watcher yet the anti-Vietnam war rhetoric seems to have passed me by (possibly because the show was set before the war started). Famously, early episodes of the show have the Fonz without his trademark leather jacket because the network execs feared it made him look like he was in a biker gang and therefore a bad example to kids. So whatever the efforts of some writers and producers, they need to be against the efforts of sometimes more conservative execs.

In fact, US (non-cable) TV is famously conservative, at least by European standards. Oh, how we chortle when we see TV networks and sponsors prostrating themselves because an actual nipple got shown on TV. Of course, it's not as bad as it was. Black people have been allowed to be portrayed as cops rather than criminals since the seventies, although it wasn't until later that they got to be the cool cops rather than the fat ones behind the desk who tell the cool cops they've only got 48 hours or they're off the case. Lordy, even homosexuals can be portrayed as people just like you and me. All these things were resisted by non-liberal forces in the industry - try looking up what black stars like Nat King Cole had to put up with.

I also hope he defines that liberal political agenda. Is it that black people (and other races) should be treated as equal citizens? That the world doesn't end if women go to work rather than stay at home raising kids? That being nice to each other is kind of a nice idea (and one that Jesus might approve of) which might be furthered by not discriminating against them? These are things that might traditionally be described as liberal - and it could be argued that TV spearheaded the advance of these ideas in shows like Sesame Street (along with the importance of education) - but I'm not aware that conservatives other then extremist loons are aginst them.

M*A*S*H wore its politics on its sleeve so could hardly be called subliminal but where was the liberal propaganda in the Waltons? Little House on the Prairie? Dallas? I Love Lucy? Cheers? Frasier positively poked fun at the "intellecual liberal". Did conservative parents object to the fact that MacGyver solved his problems without a gun? Or, for that matter, that the A-Team fired a million rounds and never actually shot anyone? Ironically, the "sanitising" of these shows was usually seen outside the US as an example of US conservatism in action. I'm annoyed to this day that we in the UK got the US-sanitised version of Battle of the Planets with the dumb, moralistic 7-Zark-7 inserted instead of cool Japanese mega-violence. And while we're on the subject, what was with that cringeingly horrible moralising at the end of every He-Man and Thundercats?

But back to shows the article actually mentions. I didn't really watch Fantasy Island so can't recall its particular form of liberal bias. Charlie’s Angels did promote women as something other than homemakers and there was that clip of Cheryl Ladd in a bikini in the opening credits of the post-Farah era...but on the other hand it WAS pro-gun and ultimately they still worked for a man. Starsky and Hutch had the aforementioned black guy as cop (in charge of the white cops yet!) but he wasn't cool and there was also Huggy Bear to even things up. Also very pro-gun of course, and pro-car. That gay rumour about S&H was unfounded.

Sure, people bring their own bias into their work. And sure, creative types in TV are probably more liberal as a group than average. But since most of us would struggle to find liberal bias in most of the shows mentioned (other than the type of liberality that is supported by most people on left OR right), where's the problem? You guys still alternate between Republican and Democrat presidents as always so it clearly hasn't turned everyone into a raving pinko.

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RE: "Primetime Propaganda' - 6/2/2011 12:24:22 PM   
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Hollywood is one of America`s biggest exporters and a huge money maker for America.

The world loves our movies and TV shows.So of course, cons don`t.What a bunch of cry babies.

It`s not just Hollywood.

Cons foam at the mouth over any idea they don`t like/understand,no matter where it`s from.

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RE: "Primetime Propaganda' - 6/2/2011 12:30:21 PM   
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You know they get bitchy when other people exercise that freedom of speech.

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RE: "Primetime Propaganda' - 6/2/2011 12:41:31 PM   
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God forbid they exercise their freedom to turn the tv off or change the channel.

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RE: "Primetime Propaganda' - 6/2/2011 1:51:39 PM   
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wheres the subliminals?
Sanity, I hope you are going to sue them lib bastards for every tv show youve ever watched, every film you have ever seen ,



Yes......sue the lib bastards......I like that.


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RE: "Primetime Propaganda' - 6/2/2011 1:55:10 PM   
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I'm annoyed to this day that we in the UK got the US-sanitised version of Battle of the Planets with the dumb, moralistic 7-Zark-7 inserted instead of cool Japanese mega-violence.

That's a given, sadly. I don't there's any English translations apart from the Sandy Frank neutering from the '70s, which has been repackaged a few times since. (Occasionally just with radically shorter episodes rather than the crudely animated robot.)

Supposedly it wasn't just the megaviolence that they cut: Voltar was a hermaphrodite (hence the lippy) in the original version as well.

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RE: "Primetime Propaganda' - 6/2/2011 2:09:32 PM   
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and liberalism (from the Latin liberalis, "of freedom") is bad why???


Cause Rush Limbaugh told him it was

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RE: "Primetime Propaganda' - 6/2/2011 2:13:28 PM   
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Cons foam at the mouth over any idea they don`t like/understand,no matter where it`s from.

O ... Please refrain from the use of the term "Cons" it implies they're smart enough to fool someone ... I mean besides themselves of course.

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RE: "Primetime Propaganda' - 6/2/2011 2:16:54 PM   
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Failed tactic? His announcement speech was extremely well done. And without a teleprompter!


Yeah, and have you heard why he actually did it in New Hampshire?

Hint - it had less to do with the fact that it's the second primary in the race than it did other, more serious concerns


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RE: "Primetime Propaganda' - 6/2/2011 2:41:00 PM   
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Failed tactic? His announcement speech was extremely well done. And without a teleprompter!


Yeah, and have you heard why he actually did it in New Hampshire?

Hint - it had less to do with the fact that it's the second primary in the race than it did other, more serious concerns




What is your conspriacy theory of the day?

He did it in NH because another loss there would end his race immediately. It doesnt matter whether its second...its before Super Tuesday, and that is by far his make it or break it state before then.

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RE: "Primetime Propaganda' - 6/2/2011 4:32:50 PM   
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I used to love M*A*S*H, it was at one time the TV highlight of the week, in fact it has been on my mind lately to get the box sets to watch again. But, if the TV offends, it's quite simple really, don't watch it.

As it is, my TV is rarely on, as it really is not that interesting, with the recent network change to digital, in my view it has gone down hill, but I do find it ironic that the prime minister who declared Britain was to go digital was also spearheading family values, but what his digital has given, is more porn albeit of the softer variety therefore of no interest to me, shopping channels and gamblin. The programmes that made UK TV good, the documentaries and such appear to have taken a nose dive to be replaced with mindless pap to nulify the masses.

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RE: "Primetime Propaganda' - 6/2/2011 4:45:40 PM   
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If you were to really think about it you would realize that mass social engineering via subliminal messages isnt by any definition liberalism.

Its exactly the opposite, isnt it.


So you are against the subliminal messages on tv from the capitalist corporate sponsors also?

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RE: "Primetime Propaganda' - 6/2/2011 4:47:29 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Sanity


If you were to really think about it you would realize that mass social engineering via subliminal messages isnt by any definition liberalism.

Its exactly the opposite, isnt it.



Agreed...... WTF is wrong with those guys using mass social engineering to try and stop the killings. They should be making less propoganda movies and more war films huh bro.

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