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RE: Good manners when contacting potentials - 6/8/2011 5:28:01 PM   
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The adage that women get older and men get distinguished still holds true today.
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The adage that women get older and men get distinguished still holds true today.

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Where the hell are all those distinguished older men?  Most (not all) of the ones I see that are my age are fat, bald and dress bad.  If that's what being "distinguished" is all about, I am glad I am just getting older.  I do think many men let themselves go, and chalk it up to being "distinguished".
And what some people call being "more and more desperate every year", I call maintenance.  There are some big disadvantages to living in the 21st century, but Botox, for example, is not one of them.  What is wrong with pride in one's appearance, at any age?  Especially if said pride causes one to eat well, exercise and generally take care of one's physical health and fitness?   


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RE: Good manners when contacting potentials - 6/8/2011 5:50:16 PM   
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Sunny, I am kind of confused over what you just addressed to me. I am not in disagreement with anything you said. I was simply addressing the wave of negative comments addressed towards older women.

I certainly believe there does not have to be an either/or aspect to any of these opinions, you can still be confident and yet cognizant of what the world is like and what your odds are out there.

I see nothing wrong in accepting certain things, yet at the same time being confident enough and believing that there are always possibilities out there.

I also fully comprehend that many stereotypes are based on reality; otherwise stereotypes could not exist. My issue, and what I was addressing, is that we tend to hear the "desperate older woman" stereotype much more than the "desperate older guy" stereotype.

There are desperate people of all ages and sexes and I for one, know many, many, many more NON desperate women than I do NON desperate men. Interesting, no?


Hey red and julia -
I'm not sure that I'm always being clear, and if you two ladies are not getting my meaning, then I *know* I'm not being clear.

I too understand that there are desperate people - both men and women.  Yep, the dude with the hot rod and hot chick is clearly a (ridiculous looking) stereotype... as is the bitter older woman.

I just don't think men have the same experience as women do as they get older.  Let me take it a step back before "desperation"...

When an older man is single, he still has the women in his age bracket as potential mates (not playmates - mates) as well as younger women.  It's a fairly common thing, May-December romances and such from the May gal and the December fellow.  However, the flip side of that, older women, don't realistically have as much potential for a mate (again, not PLAYmate but actual mates) due to societal prejudice against older women/younger men.  It is certainly shifting, but it is still a reality. 

To me, the following was the crux of Red Magic's point that started the mushroom cloud or response (or at least this is how *I* experienced his post):

I think in particular women in their (our?) forties / fifties in which menopause is or is becoming a factor specifically lose out a big chunk of the "younger men" potential because those men, generally speaking, want children.  That leaves men the woman's own age and older - who are often worshiping at the altar of youth in a *desperate* attempt to re-capture their own.  

Obviously, this is not applicable to individual people - I know that everybody has a friend who.... - but from a statistical point of view, I would think the numbers are different.

I found it interesting - and enlightening - that it was brought up that men die younger.  *doh* I know that.  I totally forgot about that when I was writing earlier.  It's an excellent point, and I have to wonder if it changes the stats of May-December romances. 

If I gave the impression that I thought anything negative about older women it was unintentional.  For me, I'm trying to find the balance between getting my hopes up and then dashed (which *for me* can be pretty devastating - I'm a dreamer, after all) and being realistic.  My responses on this thread (and others) and my lack of clarity are an outgrowth of that struggle.  I'm thinking "out loud" more or less.

I know I'm not clear (and I'm ok with that), but I do appreciate the discussion and the opportunity to look at things from perspectives I hadn't considered before. 

To me, it says a great deal about the character of the people here where we can have affection and appreciation for one another and be completely at odds or in the midst of misunderstanding.  For myself, I'm glad for that.

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RE: Good manners when contacting potentials - 6/8/2011 6:09:59 PM   
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Where the hell are all those distinguished older men?  Most (not all) of the ones I see that are my age are fat, bald and dress bad. 

There was a poster here for a while who brought more anger on himself than almost anyone else I have ever seen, because he sounded almost like a simpleton, and people felt they were banging against a brick wall. However, he did say something that I found to be one of the most deep things about relationships I have ever read.

Are you the person the person you want, wants?

If you live in a decently populated area, and you are expressing that sentiment, then the not-bald, not-fat, not-frumpy men are looking for someone else.

I don't know what you meant by "too cautious," but, to give you a sense of my own perspective -- I am not-bald, etc, and if a woman won't give me her number after a few emails, and won't meet me after one phone conversation, I move on. I have fwb's in real life, and plenty of alternative potentials. I don't see any reason to pursue women who behave as though my time is not valuable.

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RE: Good manners when contacting potentials - 6/8/2011 6:16:05 PM   
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There was a poster here for a while who brought more anger on himself than almost anyone else I have ever seen, because he sounded almost like a simpleton, and people felt they were banging against a brick wall. However, he did say something that I found to be one of the most deep things about relationships I have ever read.

Are you the person the person you want, wants?



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To the OP:

Be the kind of person that the person you want to attract would be attracted to.  That is all.



I've been saying that for a longggggggggggg time....


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RE: Good manners when contacting potentials - 6/8/2011 6:37:31 PM   
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But the real question (imo) is why would a woman want to date a considerably younger guy? My ex was 10 years older than me and it didnt work, very different sexual libidos. But I cant see dating anyone 15 or 20 years younger. Two different mind sets, two different places in life, different everything. So I just cant see that working for me either. And... I want to give the next relationship I have the very best shot at lasting forever. I know, silly me for wanting that. Sure you were 15 years younger, you were attracted to each other, both probably had a lot of good times, etc but.. it didnt last. I want to find the most compatible person I can so I dont have to go thru this again. I might succeed in it lasting that long, I might not, but darn it all, I am going to try! So I view anyone that contacts me in that light- how compatible are we and do I think it could last?


Because, no matter what their age, their minds were what I needed and they were otherwise compatible with me. I've never noticed huge cultural/orientation/attitude differences in age-disparate relationships, but even if that were the case, what would that matter for two people who care primarily about whether one can obey the other fully? Obedience is a concept understood in some degree by all generations. Also, if it really was a big deal, the person in charge could just order the other one to catch up with their generation. The people I've known from generations other than my own, however, tended to find these differences intriguing and attractive--as did I. We enjoyed them, we didn't find them stressful. Not everyone cares about how long it's going to last, either. If it's a peak experience, just getting to experience it for some period of time is enough. :) When I was vanilla, I stayed within my age range. But in looking for a master, my experiences have been with people far older than myself and also far younger than myself. It's just worked out that way: the right people weren't near me in age. It's not been a problem. I'm sorry it was for you. May I suggest that it might have been that way due to the personalities involved and not some generic "extreme ages are always incompatible" truth? My personal experience suggests this particular "truth" is quite malleable.

I dont want or need you or anyone else to feel sorry for me, there is no reason for that! I am not desperate for a date, I just want what i want. I dont want a short term relationship that works for a while but then ends. While that might work fine for you and others, it doesnt for me.

But as far as age goes, I seem to recall a study (on long happy marriages/relationships) that said the best age difference was about 7 or 8 years younger, if i recall correctly. And that works just fine for me!

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RE: Good manners when contacting potentials - 6/8/2011 6:53:33 PM   
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There was a poster here for a while who brought more anger on himself than almost anyone else I have ever seen, because he sounded almost like a simpleton, and people felt they were banging against a brick wall. However, he did say something that I found to be one of the most deep things about relationships I have ever read.

Are you the person the person you want, wants?



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To the OP:

Be the kind of person that the person you want to attract would be attracted to.  That is all.



I've been saying that for a longggggggggggg time....




I heard it put like this: Be the type of person you want to be with. For me, that is about more than romantic relationships, it is about the people I want to inhabit my space period.

It also applies to my romantic life....

Sometimes I think self improvement can be a little bit like masturbation though, it feels good for me, but I am still doing it alone

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RE: Good manners when contacting potentials - 6/8/2011 9:12:48 PM   
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Him:  Do you have a slutty side you try to keep hidden.



My answer would have been: Do you have a courteous side you keep hidden?


Hah! Cute. Very cute. As is your forum image thingy... Burnt one indeed.

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RE: Good manners when contacting potentials - 6/9/2011 6:03:05 AM   
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The adage that women get older and men get distinguished still holds true today.
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The adage that women get older and men get distinguished still holds true today.

BadOne


Where the hell are all those distinguished older men?  Most (not all) of the ones I see that are my age are fat, bald and dress bad.  If that's what being "distinguished" is all about, I am glad I am just getting older.  I do think many men let themselves go, and chalk it up to being "distinguished".
And what some people call being "more and more desperate every year", I call maintenance.  There are some big disadvantages to living in the 21st century, but Botox, for example, is not one of them.  What is wrong with pride in one's appearance, at any age?  Especially if said pride causes one to eat well, exercise and generally take care of one's physical health and fitness?   



Amen to that sister. . I love that invention and for me, I eat right, work out, spend a lot of time on my appearance, hell no I am not going to turn down something that is so simple, non permanent, and erases wrinkles. It's the best way to stay young looking and fresh FOR ME and I love it. I think a lot of people don't even know how it works or what it is and they see these fish mouthed wax faced actresses and assume that's botox. No. That is restalyne or collagen, poorly placed etc. Botox is only for areas ABOVE the eye and crows feet. All that other shit is not botox. I refuse to feel guilty about using it and I am gonna do it til I am an old lady. There is nothing "desperate" about wanting to stay hot. Oh and some older men actually have full heads of hair and dress impeccaably, I managed to find one. Thank god.


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RE: Good manners when contacting potentials - 6/9/2011 6:13:12 AM   
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there are some really strange people on this site indeed

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RE: Good manners when contacting potentials - 6/9/2011 8:34:57 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Iamsemisweet

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The adage that women get older and men get distinguished still holds true today.
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ORIGINAL: SailingBum

The adage that women get older and men get distinguished still holds true today.

BadOne


Where the hell are all those distinguished older men?  Most (not all) of the ones I see that are my age are fat, bald and dress bad.  If that's what being "distinguished" is all about, I am glad I am just getting older.  I do think many men let themselves go, and chalk it up to being "distinguished".
And what some people call being "more and more desperate every year", I call maintenance.  There are some big disadvantages to living in the 21st century, but Botox, for example, is not one of them.  What is wrong with pride in one's appearance, at any age?  Especially if said pride causes one to eat well, exercise and generally take care of one's physical health and fitness?   



Yep Yep us men say the exact same thing bout you woman. They dont stop eating til they have to buy clothes at the local tent and awning store. Now I will admit im not the swashbuckling pirate of days gone by...
alas I can still shiver me timber.

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RE: Good manners when contacting potentials - 6/9/2011 10:02:02 AM   
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I just don't think men have the same experience as women do as they get older.  Let me take it a step back before "desperation"...

When an older man is single, he still has the women in his age bracket as potential mates (not playmates - mates) as well as younger women.  It's a fairly common thing, May-December romances and such from the May gal and the December fellow.  However, the flip side of that, older women, don't realistically have as much potential for a mate (again, not PLAYmate but actual mates) due to societal prejudice against older women/younger men.  It is certainly shifting, but it is still a reality. 


I know a good many women who married younger men.

I also showed you that men tend to want to commit to women their own age...




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I think in particular women in their (our?) forties / fifties in which menopause is or is becoming a factor specifically lose out a big chunk of the "younger men" potential because those men, generally speaking, want children. That leaves men the woman's own age and older - who are often worshiping at the altar of youth in a *desperate* attempt to re-capture their own.


On the other side of that, men are using viagra in droves to get erections...I think men hit a different wall than women do. They can still get a woman pregnant, but their stamina is different. Both women and men change as they get older. I know this as someone who was involved with a man in his 50s when I was in my 30s.... it was FAR different than men my own age. I loved him, but I decided after that I wanted to be with men my own age.


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Obviously, this is not applicable to individual people - I know that everybody has a friend who.... - but from a statistical point of view, I would think the numbers are different.


Thinking the numbers are different and showing them to be are two different things. Our culture is in flux right now, for example, more people in their 50s are divorcing than ever before.


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I found it interesting - and enlightening - that it was brought up that men die younger. *doh* I know that. I totally forgot about that when I was writing earlier. It's an excellent point, and I have to wonder if it changes the stats of May-December romances


But you forgot that women and men are starting to live about the same amount of time, and that for women in their 40s this isn't a factor anymore

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If I gave the impression that I thought anything negative about older women it was unintentional. For me, I'm trying to find the balance between getting my hopes up and then dashed (which *for me* can be pretty devastating - I'm a dreamer, after all) and being realistic. My responses on this thread (and others) and my lack of clarity are an outgrowth of that struggle. I'm thinking "out loud" more or less.

I know I'm not clear (and I'm ok with that), but I do appreciate the discussion and the opportunity to look at things from perspectives I hadn't considered before.

To me, it says a great deal about the character of the people here where we can have affection and appreciation for one another and be completely at odds or in the midst of misunderstanding. For myself, I'm glad for that.



I do not know what your hopes are, or your past, or how these things meet up together. Seriously, from my point of view I have no trouble finding men of varying ages interested in me. My problem is that I do not return that interest. I need a man who has an intellectual capacity that I can respect, and men like that do not grow on trees.

I really love the The City (San Francisco) because of its intellectual outlets, and there are a couple of very intelligent men I have talked to in that area. I have been thinking that is where I should try to land because it would be more likely I would meet someone like minded there, and I love it there.

I am also not hung up on lifestyle labels and I do not need a dom. I need a man that I click with, and if I find him here, great... but I would never limit myself to this site. And I would never limit myself to kinky folks.... it is hard enough for me to find someone, and that has ALWAYS been the case, even when I was 30.

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RE: Good manners when contacting potentials - 6/9/2011 11:18:18 AM   
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Re Good Manners -

Guy looks at my profile.

I look at his non-objectionable profile. His primary pic is his motorcycle. I write a cmail "Hi! Pretty Bike. Have a nice day!"

He writes back (His first actual words to me). "Thanks. It's even better with a nice pair of tits banging into my back".

Would those have been his very first words if we had met in person?

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RE: Good manners when contacting potentials - 6/9/2011 11:58:44 AM   
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Re Good Manners -

Guy looks at my profile.

I look at his non-objectionable profile. His primary pic is his motorcycle. I write a cmail "Hi! Pretty Bike. Have a nice day!"

He writes back (His first actual words to me). "Thanks. It's even better with a nice pair of tits banging into my back".

Would those have been his very first words if we had met in person?

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lol

And this is why I always say that age has nothing to do with maturity. How's your search for "mature" older Doms workin' out? Minimum age limits typically reveal a sub who doesn't know what she's doing.


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RE: Good manners when contacting potentials - 6/9/2011 12:03:39 PM   
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Re Good Manners -

Guy looks at my profile.

I look at his non-objectionable profile. His primary pic is his motorcycle. I write a cmail "Hi! Pretty Bike. Have a nice day!"

He writes back (His first actual words to me). "Thanks. It's even better with a nice pair of tits banging into my back".

Would those have been his very first words if we had met in person?

Block, thanks for playing!


lol

And this is why I always say that age has nothing to do with maturity. How's your search for "mature" older Doms workin' out? Minimum age limits typically reveal a sub who doesn't know what she's doing.



I don't agree.  Minimum age limits indicate a sub who knows what she wants.   I am willing to be somewhat flexible about age, but what could I possibly have in common with someone my son's age, for example.  Quite honestly, if someone is too young, they can't match me socially, financially, or in a number of other ways.   However, I do agree that, within reason, age has nothing to do with maturity. 


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RE: Good manners when contacting potentials - 6/9/2011 12:07:34 PM   
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.................I don't agree.  Minimum age limits indicate a sub who knows what she wants.   I am willing to be somewhat flexible about age, but what could I possibly have in common with someone my son's age, for example.  Quite honestly, if someone is too young, they can't match me socially, financially, or in a number of other ways.   However, I do agree that, within reason, age has nothing to do with maturity. 



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The exchange I mentioned above illustrates the point - Mostly age and wisdom go hand-in-hand. Sometimes age walks in the door all alone.

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RE: Good manners when contacting potentials - 6/9/2011 12:11:11 PM   
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I don't agree.  Minimum age limits indicate a sub who knows what she wants.   I am willing to be somewhat flexible about age, but what could I possibly have in common with someone my son's age, for example.  Quite honestly, if someone is too young, they can't match me socially, financially, or in a number of other ways.   However, I do agree that, within reason, age has nothing to do with maturity. 


Men and wimmin have absolutely nothing in common to begin with.

Zero. Zilch. Nada.

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RE: Good manners when contacting potentials - 6/9/2011 12:21:35 PM   
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I don't agree.  Minimum age limits indicate a sub who knows what she wants.   I am willing to be somewhat flexible about age, but what could I possibly have in common with someone my son's age, for example.  Quite honestly, if someone is too young, they can't match me socially, financially, or in a number of other ways.   However, I do agree that, within reason, age has nothing to do with maturity. 


Men and wimmin have absolutely nothing in common to begin with.

Zero. Zilch. Nada.



Huh?

Fella, I don't know where you pulled that gem from.  But wait until you have a child with a woman and have to discuss what each of you wants for the child before you make a statement like that.


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RE: Good manners when contacting potentials - 6/9/2011 12:22:07 PM   
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Men and wimmin have absolutely nothing in common to begin with.

Heh. By which you mean that you've never found anything in common with a woman. Somehow I'm not surprised.

That doesn't mean there's nothing to be found, though.

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RE: Good manners when contacting potentials - 6/9/2011 12:24:18 PM   
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I don't agree.  Minimum age limits indicate a sub who knows what she wants.   I am willing to be somewhat flexible about age, but what could I possibly have in common with someone my son's age, for example.  Quite honestly, if someone is too young, they can't match me socially, financially, or in a number of other ways.   However, I do agree that, within reason, age has nothing to do with maturity. 


Men and wimmin have absolutely nothing in common to begin with.

Zero. Zilch. Nada.



Yanno, I know 12 year old boys with more emotional depth....


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RE: Good manners when contacting potentials - 6/9/2011 12:57:04 PM   
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When we are starving, we will eat dirt.

Yes. A woman who is 41 is much more likely to sleep with me on a first date than a woman who is 21. The OP might want to cruise sub female profiles in her own age range before thinking it is just a matter of men with no social skills.

As the joke goes: a young woman is a slut; an old woman is lucky.


Wow. I am far more selective now than at 21 when I saw the world as my own personal oyster and fuck fest. I also know that I am not old, and if I fucked all the attractive men that hit on me I wouldn't have time to sleep. Kind of a shitty statement Red, a bit surprising coming from you.  I also work as a bartender on the side and the 20 something girls I work with are fucking everyone and anyone and keeping scorecards just like guys, it's pretty funny actually to hear them laughing about suckering some "old guy" read:40's paying their bills, their rent,  expensive dinners, whatever, and "all they had to do was fuck him." So you see, there's more than one joke.  One of them got a new Coach bag last week from a guy and all she had to do was blow him. Hysterical stuff isn't it?

Yes, now that I know there's way more to sex than getting drunk and fucking, I am FAR more selective. Used to be all a guy had to do was buy me drinks. Now there's an application process :)

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