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Outsourcing Jobs: No effect on home jobs... - 6/3/2011 2:32:01 AM   
Aneirin


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Status: offline 		According to IMF Research, the outsourcing of jobs has not led to a net loss of employment in the UK.

Apparently why the UK was targeted for such research, was because the UK outsources three times as many jobs as the USA.

Now as only this week we are hearing of the rage caused by the outsourcing of 100 council jobs to India to save money, I wonder at how acurate the IMF research is, sure it is perhaps out of date given the year of the report, but does such research take into account the local impact of outsourcing, or is it all they care about is the overall picture not the people on the ground.

Furthermore, is outsourcing of jobs overseas actually creating an enviroment where money saved by outsourcing is leading to better paid jobs in the home country, or is it in reality cost cutting measures that create more profit for the minority at the expense of those whose jobs were sold overseas ?

Is there any hard and fast figures for this, showing the truth anywhere, like for a start how many jobs outsourced or exported as opposed to how many jobs created in the homeland, are the unemployed masses getting bigger or staying at the same level because of this, what is the truth about outsourcing ?


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RE: Outsourcing Jobs: No effect on home jobs... - 6/3/2011 4:24:09 AM   
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Status: offline 		The myth that outsourcing creates jobs is just that. When you refuse to believe the bullshit then you are labelled. You ARE labelled right ? It is bullshit plain and simple, you ship jobs out there is NOTHING that can replace them. Now Willy and Mm and a few others will be in here to tell you the party line and how good it is to have NAFTA (here) and China as an MFN trading "partner" but the fact is they are full of shit. They make money by taking from others.

Well they don't take from me anymore. In about six months my project will come to fruition, and with my boodle I am not retiring to Florida or any nonsense like that. I can't fucking stand Florida. I am going to buck the odds. I am going up the waterfall.

And if it costs me every dime, I don't give a fuck. I don't know why. And I don't know why if the PTB can't do anything for us, why not just do nothing ? No, actually I do know. If you can understand, it's more than making money, it's an agenda. I will not lay it out here in public because it would just be too much for "normals".

I'm going to STFU now because I am very interested in seeing how people are going to claim that it is better to have others do the work and count the money for them. It could get intersting if I didn't just kill the thread.

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RE: Outsourcing Jobs: No effect on home jobs... - 6/3/2011 6:55:24 AM   
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Status: offline 		I know it is a con, I was just looking for information to enable me to perhaps change my mind about the situation, as that is all we hear, people are disgruntled because jobs are being outsourced and/or exported.

Now, in my country we have a shit hole prime minister waging war on the long term unemployed, by forcing them back to work, yeah work, which the not so long term unemployed can't seem to find, so where theses magical jobs are going to come from, well, I'm all ears.

Unless of course a municipal work force is a possibility, perhaps even something lower than surfdom that the lords would love to have, especially the fucking tories and their delusions of grandeur.

But what say all the outsourced jobs were brought back home, I wonder the impact on the job queues, but it will never happen, because those that outsource are part of a mindset that controls the government. Yeah, industry impacts our government just like it impacts yours and I wonder what the purpose of government actually is, now could it be it looks after the welfare of the voters, or is it they seek to create ideal situations for industry, as stuffing up the voters with loss of jobs, gives industry a very good advantage, cheap labour or we go overseas.


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RE: Outsourcing Jobs: No effect on home jobs... - 6/3/2011 7:30:47 AM   
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Now Willy and Mm and a few others will be in here to tell you the party line and how good it is to have NAFTA (here) and China as an MFN trading "partner" but the fact is they are full of shit. They make money by taking from others.


You're making up shit again. You have no idea how I make my money. So you invent a fantasy that suits you.

It helps you avoid facing the data.

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RE: Outsourcing Jobs: No effect on home jobs... - 6/3/2011 7:58:23 AM   
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Status: offline 		Anyone with investments makes money off of others. Anyone. The only people who continue to profit (albeit temproarily) when the manufacturing base is shut down are investors. It used to be that the people who produced made some money, now you can't find a regular factory job for much more than ten bucks an hour.

Factory jobs used to pay, and admittedly many people abused the system. But is the punishment to wreck the whole fucking economy ? Dante's description of hell was too much too late. Is this what all of us get, the well work ethiced and not because some floor sweepers cheated Ford out of fifty bucks an hour ?

Moneychangers make money when money moves, and they care not where. That's the culture.

The system will right itself. Bumfukt Egypt might just prove a guiding light. This shit is going to end, because this "economy" is an illusion. Don't count on it for long, if you like ilusion you are better off being a cartoonist. The time to do something is not now. Those are not my words, do I need to find them ?

We need to pay the piper. The piper is an userer, and the longer we wait the higher the price. Everybody thinks this can go on forever, because they are edumacated. Well let me tell you all, you can have three alphabets of letters after your names and money in fifty different countries. But if nothing is produced, no money is made. We just push the same pile back and forth.

We need major mass production to support this major mass population. Of that there is no question. All people want to do is make money counting other peoples' money. That's fine for a small segment of the population, but there is a limit. Old twofaced Bush 1 spoke of a giant sucking sound, can you hear it yet ? I bet not, because of the music emitted by the stock ticker.

Mark my words, unless WE IN THE USA get some serious mass market share soon the dollar won't be worth the ink used to print it. It already isn't worth the paper on which it is printed. And people just don't get it.

Next.

Come on, the rest. Tell me how good things are because the dividend checks are coming in Tell me how strong the economy is. Tell me how we have nothing to worry about. Tell me how the debt is imaginary. I don't even mean the national debt, how about the trade deficit ? I don't care how small the trade deficit is by whatever ridiculous formula they concocted this week, ANY deficit. When you spend more than you make, it is not sustainable indefinitely. Eat ipads !

Now watch what happens, with this drought food prices will double. No, when the speculators get started they will triple. Because someone will be making money for nothing. Originally speculation wasn't so bad as it could smooth out certain market forces for producers, but now people have found a way to abuse it.

There is more money in that than actually producing anything of value. ............ For now.

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RE: Outsourcing Jobs: No effect on home jobs... - 6/3/2011 8:01:29 AM   
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RE: Outsourcing Jobs: No effect on home jobs... - 6/3/2011 8:05:39 AM   
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Anyone with investments makes money off of others. Anyone.


Then that's virtually everyone, and anyone self-employed, or for that matter employed.


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RE: Outsourcing Jobs: No effect on home jobs... - 6/3/2011 8:06:51 AM   
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Come on, the rest. Tell me how good things are because the dividend checks are coming in Tell me how strong the economy is. Tell me how we have nothing to worry about. Tell me how the debt is imaginary. I don't even mean the national debt, how about the trade deficit ? I don't care how small the trade deficit is by whatever ridiculous formula they concocted this week, ANY deficit. When you spend more than you make, it is not sustainable indefinitely. Eat ipads !


Again, when you have to make up fantasies and call them my position, it's impossible to take you seriously. Rants with no substance.

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RE: Outsourcing Jobs: No effect on home jobs... - 6/3/2011 8:11:52 AM   
Termyn8or


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Status: offline 		When is the time to cut the budget again ? Next year again ? Or is it the year after that ? Maybe after that.

Not my words.

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RE: Outsourcing Jobs: No effect on home jobs... - 6/3/2011 8:13:29 AM   
Musicmystery


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Status: offline 		As you well know, but choose to ignore, I favor multiple cuts in multiple areas.

Again, not much reason to take you seriously when you invent your own version of my views.

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RE: Outsourcing Jobs: No effect on home jobs... - 6/3/2011 8:28:34 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Aneirin
Now as only this week we are hearing of the rage caused by the outsourcing of 100 council jobs to India to save money,


Wow, thats interesting.. when govt itself outsources and wont hire from the community that it sucks tax dollars from...

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