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TheHeretic -> RE: A not-stupid war. (6/14/2011 9:05:57 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Politesub53
Still a big difference between Libya and Iraq Rich.



HUGE differences, Polite. No doubt about that. Top of the list would be Congressional approval, which Bush had. Reports are that President Obama will be making some kind of presentation to Congress by Friday. I'll be curious to see how that turns out.

Right behind that is the tactical approach. The US is just in a support role to NATO, adding our "unique capabilities." [8|] Except it is starting to look like military operations that go beyond a few months is one of them. Oh, yeah. Let's not forget the Predator drones, either.

Libya 2011 isn't a retaliatory raid, or a "this is our fishing hole, bitches" message disguised as a rescue mission, or wrapped in layers of deniability. Kuhdaffy never went on tv, and declared that a state of war existed between his country and the US, like a certain pineapple faced drug dealer once did. We've gone and gotten ourselves wrapped up in another war. The methodology might be "unprecedented," to use a word Pres. Obama really liked when he started the job, but when you are openly seeking to topple a government by military force, and kill the leader, that's something Congress is supposed to have a say in. Not just according to War Powers, but according to a Constitution that says Congress holds the power to declare war.

You know, there is another school of thought out there. The one that assumes we are going to be a major military presence in the region, until every damn drop of oil is gone. The one that says Libya would be a damn fine place to put some big new bases. That could be the grand scheme here. Interesting timing perhaps, that the Pentagon Papers have finally been fully released, and we have such a fine opportunity to recall how LBJ lied the US right into the Vietnam War.




Owner59 -> RE: A not-stupid war. (6/14/2011 9:08:37 PM)

"HUGE differences"


the amount of body-bags, for one.....

This is why your bush`s war was stupid.

It`s the death-rate....stupid.




mnottertail -> RE: A not-stupid war. (6/14/2011 9:11:51 PM)

Dude.  that is pure asswipe.  Bush had congressional approval based on a administrations conspiratorial lie.

meh.....fuck it.  after that there is no talking with dishonest motherfuckers.




Owner59 -> RE: A not-stupid war. (6/14/2011 9:15:51 PM)

Yeah,fraud exempts congress from responsibility.

Can`t believe there`s still shitheads defending the Iraq cluster-fuck.






mnottertail -> RE: A not-stupid war. (6/14/2011 9:20:28 PM)

We dint know!!! OMG we dint know!!! Vote republican




TheHeretic -> RE: A not-stupid war. (6/14/2011 9:28:34 PM)

Whatever, Ron. Tonkin worked for LBJ, too, but they both got their damn vote, didn't they?

Ever see that episode of the Simpsons where Marge asks Homer where he is going, and he says, "I'm not going to lie to you, Marge" and walks out? That's the answer we've had here, so far.





mnottertail -> RE: A not-stupid war. (6/14/2011 9:30:58 PM)

And it is legal. I believe the current lot of imbeciles started with a prayer and reading select portions of the constitution.

The paraphrase here is something like: the best way to defeat a bad law is to follow it exactly.



And it was Ulysses S Grant that said that, not Lincoln.




thompsonx -> RE: A not-stupid war. (6/16/2011 8:48:49 AM)

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ORIGINAL: TheHeretic


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ORIGINAL: thompsonx


So the short answer is you don't know, so you choose to point out spelling errors...typical dick.



And what is it that dicks do to assholes, Thom?

OMG...is this your subtle way of letting us all know that you and the self described "rightwing asshole" are an item??? who knew?

Try looking around a bit. I've spoken to Libya on a number of occasions recently. You are worth repeating myself over because...?


Perhaps because you were asked to clarify your position on this thread in response to remarks made on this thread.





TheHeretic -> RE: A not-stupid war. (6/16/2011 6:54:35 PM)


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ORIGINAL: thompsonx
Perhaps because you were asked to clarify your position on this thread in response to remarks made on this thread.




You mean like I what I said on the first page of this thread?

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And now we have Libya, where US involvement is rolling along strictly on President Obama's authority. Despite the ballet of passing command in a matter of "days, not weeks," the buck still stops on his desk. There is also the nature of our tactics. We are apparently trying to assassinate a foreign leader, by remote control. As Bugs Bunny would say of such an act, "of course you know, THIS means war!," and Bugs would be right. There isn't any deniability here.

I think we should count our blessings that we have missed so far, and get the hell out of there. We still have time to return this mess, before we own it, too.



Does that make it sound like I think we have pressing national interests in Libya, Thom?




Owner59 -> RE: A not-stupid war. (6/16/2011 7:38:28 PM)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BmEHC0BGuDk

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L4S3mr2YY08&feature=grec_index

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pan_Am_Flight_103

Your buddy killed 189 of your fellow Americans.




Owner59 -> RE: A not-stupid war. (6/16/2011 8:23:30 PM)

Post mortem pathological examinations of other victims aboard the plane indicated no in-flight fire or other indications of shrapnells from any explosion. No evidence unequivocally indicated any passengers or crew members had been killed or injured from any explosive blast.So what killed them ?

The majority of the people aboard Pan Am 103 died as a result of severe multiple injuries at different stages. In plain english this means they were literally crushed, hit, ripped apart and cut to death. People were killed as the aircraft disintegrated, as it hit ground, and some had been thrown from the aircraft fuselage during integration and at impact.
Most bodies fell in clusters. About 60 victims fell near Lockerbies famous golf course at the towns east end. About 50 bodies landed together with the fuselage in Ellen Ramsdens garden.

Some bodies were found in trees, some inside fragments of the plane, others lying spread-eagled in the mud. Death had reached them quick but violent. Some of the people aboard the aircraft have been conscious about their final fate all the way down.For some of them the fall took almost 2 minutes - the lack of oxygene in the uppe spheres might have let people meet death unconsciously, some might have regained consciousness when falling further down into oxygene-rich atmosphere. 2 bodies could not be identified. 658 bags of human remains are still to be identified.
Only one woman survived the accident. But not for long. Scottish rescue workers found a woman on the ground with a pulse.
But the pulse was gone 10 minutes later. The woman was never conscious, never lived to tell about her experience during those horrible minutes before the crash.

http://plane-truth.com/Aoude/geocities/victim.html

Flight 103 Crew

Captain James Bruce MacQuarrie (55, US citizen, 10910 flight hours)
First Officer Raymond Ronald Wagner (52, US citizen, 11855 flight hours)
Flight Engineer Jerry Don Avritt (46, US citizen, 8068 flight hours)
Purser Mary Geraldine Murphy (51, British citizen, 25 years seniority)
Purser Milutin Velimirovich (35, US citizen, 10 years seniority)
Flight Attendant Siv Ulla Engstrom (51, Swedish citizen, 28 years seniority)
Flight Attendant Elisabeth Nichole Avoyne-Clemens (44, French citizen, 20 years seniority)
Flight Attendant Noelle Lydie Campbell-Berti (41, US and French citizen, 18 years seniority)
Flight Attendant Elke Etha Kühne (43, German citizen, 18 years seniority)
Flight Attendant Maria Nieves Larracoechea (39, Spanish citizen, 17 years seniority)
Flight Attendant Irja Syhnove Skabo (38, US and Norwegian citizen, 16 years seniority)
Flight Attendant Paul Isaac Garrett (41, US citizen, 15 years seniority)
Flight Attendant Lilibeth Tobila Macalolooy (27, US citizen, 3 years seniority)
Flight Attendant Jocelyn Reina (26, US citizen, 11 months seniority)
Flight Attendant Myra Josephine Royal (30, US citizen, 9 months seniority)






luckydawg -> RE: A not-stupid war. (6/17/2011 6:44:31 AM)

Yes and you leftists defended him, and opposed Reagan attempting to punish him.

Peace concerts, rallies against the "war mongering imperialist" Ronald Reagan.

You trying to rewrite history again o?




Owner59 -> RE: A not-stupid war. (6/17/2011 6:50:38 AM)

Oh really,bullshit.So full of shit.

We do know now tho, that you`re defending him.

Let`s call you leftydog now.

Moammngar wants his tea now.Don`t keep him waiting....leftydog.




luckydawg -> RE: A not-stupid war. (6/17/2011 6:55:10 AM)

Oh yeah, the left were big supporters of Reagan and his Foriegn Policy......

Your a hoot.

Mumar used to be in the same catagory as Ortega and Castro (to you guys) valiant fighters against Western Imperialism led by the War Monger Ronald Reagan.




mnottertail -> RE: A not-stupid war. (6/17/2011 6:59:32 AM)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zU9lv_WqK6k




luckydawg -> RE: A not-stupid war. (6/17/2011 7:00:25 AM)

You really are realone's sock puppet aren't you.

Posting video links.....




mnottertail -> RE: A not-stupid war. (6/17/2011 7:03:51 AM)

lol.

Do you want to call 7.3.1?   its really rather sad and pathetic how you lie and pretend.





Owner59 -> RE: A not-stupid war. (6/17/2011 7:08:23 AM)

Entertaining tho,for sadists like me.


Muammar says his drink need more ice leftydog,step and fetch it.




TheHeretic -> RE: A not-stupid war. (6/17/2011 7:10:55 AM)

Besides, haven't you guys heard? We aren't engaged in hostilities in Libya...

http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/congressmen-criticize-obamas-stand-on-libya/2011/06/16/AGuvhdXH_story.html

Oh well. At least we are finally seeing how President Obama can get Congress to behave in a bipartisan way.




thompsonx -> RE: A not-stupid war. (6/17/2011 7:12:32 AM)

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Mumar used to be in the same catagory as Ortega and Castro (to you guys) valiant fighters against Western Imperialism led by the War Monger Ronald Reagan.


What, exactly, is your bitch with castro?




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