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RE: Black Repub Ken Barnes Wakes Up... - 6/15/2011 5:27:16 PM   
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Lie... the comments you attribute to Steele do not fit the definition of "Structural/Institutional Racism".  Try again.





You ignored this from the link, which covers structural racism over 24 pages because IT IS A COMPLEX FUCKING IDEA which your your simple mind can't understand

Here is a little more for you to digest, and the only reason I am even posting it is for those people who are interested and reading this thread



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nstitutional Racism

Institutional racism occurs within and between institutions. Institutional racism is
discriminatory treatment, unfair policies and inequitable opportunities and impacts, based
on race, produced and perpetuated by institutions (schools, mass media, etc.). Individuals
within institutions take on the power of the institution when they act in ways that
advantage and disadvantage people, based on race.


Chronic Disparity: Strong and Pervasive Evidence of Racial Inequalities





Racial Justice

Definition: Racial Justice is the proactive reinforcement of policies, practices, attitudes and actions that produce equitable power, access, opportunities, treatment, impacts and outcomes for all.

Indicators: Equitable impacts and outcome across race is the key indicator off racial justice.

Interpersonal Racism: Interpersonal racism occurs between individuals. Once private beliefs come into interaction with others, the racism is now in the interpersonal realm.

Examples include public expressions of racial prejudice, hate, bias and bigotry between individuals.

Structural Racism

Structural Racism lies underneath, all around and across society. It encompasses: (1) history, which lies underneath the surface, providing the foundation for white supremacy in this country. (2) culture, which exists all around our everyday lives, providing the normalization and replication of racism and, (3) interconnected institutions and policies, they key relationships and rules across society providing the legitimacy and
reinforcements to maintain and perpetuate racism.

Examples include racist history, dominant cultural representations, popular myths, and compounded and chronic inequities, etc.




See the difference between institutional and structural racism? Or are you dense? One is about the institution, the other is how all the levels of racism interact within the larger culture... means micro and macro level racism from the individual to society at large.

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RE: Black Repub Ken Barnes Wakes Up... - 6/15/2011 5:29:14 PM   
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You and Tazzy have repeatedly offered NO PROOF... you're provided with SPECIFIC criteria to YOUR definition, and you offer the same non-proof as your alleged proof.  Give it up.  The alleged "Structural/Institutional Racism" you say exists doesn't -- plain and simple. 



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RE: Black Repub Ken Barnes Wakes Up... - 6/15/2011 5:36:24 PM   
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Status: offline 		You are like a flat earther, every time someone offers you proof the earth is round you will just say "no its not!" instead of providing an in depth an analysis showing that your view is correct. No where have you shown that we are wrong, and we have supported our position repeatedly with several examples.


Geesh, offer up something new, or just shut your piehole.

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RE: Black Repub Ken Barnes Wakes Up... - 6/15/2011 5:40:32 PM   
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Status: offline 		I know this is too hard for your to understand, but I used YOUR PROVIDED DEFINITION... and YOU have failed to meet the criteria of YOUR PROVIDED DEFINITION, which entailed:

1. "...routinely advantage whites while producing cumulative and chronic adverse outcomes for people of color"

2. "... hierarchy and inequity"

3. "...white supremacy"

4. "...privilege and power for white people at the expense of Black, Latino, Asian, Pacific Islander, Native American, Arab"


Do ya got that?  NONE... ZERO... NADA that you or Tazzy have offered meets this criteria of PROOF by YOUR OWN PROVIDED DEFINITION.  Nothing!!!  Spout off all you like... you've FAILED using your OWN provided definition.

I don't know why is so fucking hard for people to just use common sense... as if a political party would formally and intentionally go out of it's way to ensure someone is held back just because they're black, brown, or purple.  What an asinine premise?!!  Use some common sense.



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RE: Black Repub Ken Barnes Wakes Up... - 6/15/2011 5:41:32 PM   
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Status: offline 		But, but, but both posters had chimps in`m !!!!

That means it`s the same thing!!!

Can`t you get that!!!

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RE: Black Repub Ken Barnes Wakes Up... - 6/15/2011 5:41:53 PM   
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Offer up ANY valid proof, or shut your delusional pie-hole.




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RE: Black Repub Ken Barnes Wakes Up... - 6/15/2011 5:43:08 PM   
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Status: offline 		Good fucking god...imagine my surprise ,after leaving for a round of golf,to see this thread had gone for 13 pages....I mean seriously folks it just didn't seem to have those sort of legs.So than I started reading...and all became clear...what we have here is proof positive that de nile ain't just a river in Egypt !
1965 LBJ twists the arms of southern Dixiecrats and passes Civil Rights legislation.....the Republican Party,the Party of Lincoln....the up till that point natural party of African Americans as a result of this...developed the "Southern Strategy" wherein they appeal to white fear wrap it in sates rights...and alienate blacks for the next 40 plus years.
Now You can deny these historical facts all you like...you can point out that the Rpublican Party does not in any way shape or form have a written,ironclad policy detailing their racism....but please find a rational reason to explain that the African American community votes as a bloc to the tune of 93% Democratic......do you think it is because they have gotten the unspoken message that the Republican Party has been putting out for years?
Bill Maher said it best...."Not all Republicans are racist...but if your a racist,odds are yu are a Republican"

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RE: Black Repub Ken Barnes Wakes Up... - 6/15/2011 5:46:09 PM   
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Prove, from your OWN definition:

1. "...routinely advantage whites while producing cumulative and chronic adverse outcomes for people of color"

2. "... hierarchy and inequity"

3. "...white supremacy"

4. "...privilege and power for white people at the expense of Black, Latino, Asian, Pacific Islander, Native American, Arab"

Go ahead... provide you definitive evidence for this is "Structrually" or "Institutionally" a foundation of the Republican Party?  Hint: Neither Steele or Barnes have done so -- and neither have you. If you can't (as you haven't thus far), then your continued insistence that it exists is either woefully ignorant, partisan, or an outright lie.



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RE: Black Repub Ken Barnes Wakes Up... - 6/15/2011 5:46:48 PM   
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Offer up ANY valid proof, or shut your delusional pie-hole.





This is what we face folks, coming next year.

Register,get your friends and family to register too.

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RE: Black Repub Ken Barnes Wakes Up... - 6/15/2011 5:47:34 PM   
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Offer up ANY valid proof, or shut your delusional pie-hole.





Since you are the one coming to the table on a thread that you do not agree with, it would be incumbent upon you to prove the experts on this thread wrong with some sort of valid information....

Barnes is an expert. Steele is an expert. You have nothing to offer the thread. Go play in the minor leagues.


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RE: Black Repub Ken Barnes Wakes Up... - 6/15/2011 5:50:17 PM   
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=489pO9q8guA

Open mind,fer sure fer sure........

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RE: Black Repub Ken Barnes Wakes Up... - 6/15/2011 5:51:59 PM   
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RE: Black Repub Ken Barnes Wakes Up... - 6/15/2011 5:52:14 PM   
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...if your a racist, odds are yu are a Republican



Really? 

1)  The Dem leadership doesn't support this premise...

"You cannot go to a 7-Eleven or a Dunkin Donuts unless you have a slight Indian accent."
 
--Joe Biden (Democrat)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sM19YOqs7hU
 
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"The point I was making was not that Grandmother harbors any racial animosity. She doesn't. But she is a typical white person"
 
--Barack Obama (Democrat)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r8gnmUyminI
 
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Mahatma Gandhi "ran a gas station down in Saint Louis."
 
--Senator Hillary Clinton (Democrat)
http://www.wordiq.com/definition/Hillary_Clinton#Recent_Controversies
 
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"There are white ****s. I've seen a lot of white ****s in my time."
 
--Robert Byrd (Democrat & Former KKK Leader)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0FIBJt-c2o0
 
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"Barack Obama had a good chance of winning the presidency because of his 'light-skinned' appearance and because he spoke "with no Negro dialect, unless he wanted to have one"
 
--Harry Reid (Democrat)
http://www.usnews.com/articles/news/2010/01/25/trouble-keeps-coming-for-reid-democrats.html 
 

 
2)  These Liberal ass-hats don't reflect your premise ---> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ksBA11k6xvQ
 

 
 

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RE: Black Repub Ken Barnes Wakes Up... - 6/15/2011 5:56:40 PM   
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So you admit you have no proof...

And again, since you weren't able to comprehend this before... here it is again:  One cannot provide proof of that which does NOT exist.  Got that?  You believe Structural Racism exists, so it's on YOU to prove it does.  Still too complicated for you to understand?!!



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RE: Black Repub Ken Barnes Wakes Up... - 6/15/2011 5:58:18 PM   
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This is what we face folks, coming next year.



Yes... you'll be expected to provide FACTS, not your typical blather and lies.





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RE: Black Repub Ken Barnes Wakes Up... - 6/15/2011 6:00:05 PM   
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RE: Black Repub Ken Barnes Wakes Up... - 6/15/2011 6:02:38 PM   
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So you admit you have no proof...

And again, since you weren't able to comprehend this before... here it is again:  One cannot provide proof of that which does NOT exist.  Got that?  You believe Structural Racism exists, so it's on YOU to prove it does.  Still too complicated for you to understand?!!





You have very deep seated denial issues or reading comprehension problems. I hope you get the special education you deserve

You would not know "proof" if it jumped up and bit you on the ass.

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RE: Black Repub Ken Barnes Wakes Up... - 6/15/2011 6:04:18 PM   
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Yeah,I love the way you addressed that 93% number....that is a real effective debating strategy.Do you think I could make a google search and find a few ill-advised remarks from Republicans over the years?Hell I could probably just google Strom Thurmond...and stop there....by the way,he was a Dixiecrat till after Civil Rights Passage....than he switch parties.....for one reason only,he wanted to be in a party that embraced his racist views.

MSLA is the same on every thread, it never changes. I avoid MSLA for this reason for the most part. It is like arguing with a rock, except the rock has more sense

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RE: Black Repub Ken Barnes Wakes Up... - 6/15/2011 6:07:52 PM   
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The debate at hand is that some here have alleged the Republican Party is "Structurally Racist" -- i.e., there are elements put in place to ENSURE minorities are prevented from advancement... not whether there are racist INDIVIDUALS that also happen to be Democrats or Republicans.

Thus, I've asked those to provide their definitive proof of said alleged "Structural Racism", and they haven't... they only provide either (i) one person's opinion (the one referenced in the OP), or (ii) Michael Steele who's said the RNC needs more reach-out to African Americans.  That's NOT proof of "Structural Racism"... not in any way, shape, or form.



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RE: Black Repub Ken Barnes Wakes Up... - 6/15/2011 6:08:55 PM   
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You have a very deep seeted denial of REALITY.



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