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RapierFugue -> RE: guys suck, but i'm not a man-hating dyke (6/17/2011 8:57:38 AM)


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ORIGINAL: masterofholly

The thrill of it has me flipping cartwheels.


I confess I laughed my arse off at that line :)



HannahLynHeather -> RE: guys suck, but i'm not a man-hating dyke (6/17/2011 9:26:17 AM)

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You would not have that chance.
A group of men who are among "the best" would not tolerate you nor give you the chance to get to know them.
Rest assured the option of "keeping them in your life" would not be a choice available to you.

wow, there's some positive fucking thinking for us. so the best sort of men aren't decent people after all? well, you could be right, my fucking instincts tell me you are. your generous attitude certainly fucking supports that hypothesis.

we shall see. i'll get back to you in a few weeks and let you know.



HannahLynHeather -> RE: guys suck, but i'm not a man-hating dyke (6/17/2011 9:36:47 AM)

thanks jas. i was going to say it didn't really apply, i am happy and positive about my life in general, til i got to the fucking end. you're right i did survive, and while it isn't sadness and unhappiness that plague me, i sure as fuck have some anger and bitterness to deal with.

what i think i'll do is make a list with all the worthwhile guys i know and have known on it. so i can pull it out and read it when i am feeling particularly negative about guys. may not work, but fuck it, it sure as fuck can't hurt.

have a fucking happy fucking friday!



masterofholly -> RE: guys suck, but i'm not a man-hating dyke (6/17/2011 9:47:10 AM)

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ORIGINAL: HannahLynHeather

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You would not have that chance.
A group of men who are among "the best" would not tolerate you nor give you the chance to get to know them.
Rest assured the option of "keeping them in your life" would not be a choice available to you.

wow, there's some positive fucking thinking for us. so the best sort of men aren't decent people after all? well, you could be right, my fucking instincts tell me you are. your generous attitude certainly fucking supports that hypothesis.

we shall see. i'll get back to you in a few weeks and let you know.

Here is a classic example of why a decent man will never tolerate you.

Decent people associate with decent people. The 2% you are looking for would never put up with someone who spews four letter gutter trash as a way of screaming "LOOK AT ME!!!!"





tj444 -> RE: guys suck, but i'm not a man-hating dyke (6/17/2011 9:47:20 AM)


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ORIGINAL: sexyred1

Not to answer for him, but I think the "type" of woman is the woman he fell in love with.

And whatever those qualities that drew him to her, and she to him, are right for their relationship.



He is the one that used the word type. I was simply asking what the qualities that attracted him were, since he speaks so highly of her, I would like to see her thru his eyes. Its not just him that I have asked this question to. I dont expect them to be the same reasons other men are attracted to their wives/partners.



tj444 -> RE: guys suck, but i'm not a man-hating dyke (6/17/2011 9:52:22 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Icarys

I don't know about him but I don't cheat because I think it's wrong to do so. It has nothing to do with the woman I'm with at any time. If I'm not happy in a relationship I voice my dislikes..if they aren't addressed in a manner that's satisfactory, she then leaves.


I do agree with you 100% on that, if you have to cheat (unless its an open relationship) then get out of the relationship and live as you really want to.

He gave me the impression that it wasnt just that tho, that part or all of the reasons for not cheating had to do with what he saw in her.



juliaoceania -> RE: guys suck, but i'm not a man-hating dyke (6/17/2011 10:02:27 AM)

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Here is a classic example of why a decent man will never tolerate you.

Decent people associate with decent people. The 2% you are looking for would never put up with someone who spews four letter gutter trash as a way of screaming "LOOK AT ME!!!!"


I am one of those people who likes the "f" word. I don't use it every other word, but sometimes it just fits, and there is no other word that will quite make the same point.

I am a lover of words. My last dom and I would play with words for fun, alteration games, etc. One of the things I dig about a person is when they will sit and contemplate the bestest word to go with what they are trying to convey. And such people, in my experience, tend to know that sometimes a "curse word" is the one that is just perfect.

Anyone that would rate a person's worth or decency based on the propensity to use "off color" language probably is not someone I would find very decent. I am surrounded with decent folks, and I am respected by most (some because of my education, and others because they know me and that I am a really nice person).

I find the above post to be mean spirited, untrue, unkind, and basically it paints you in a very poor light in my mind

Hannah likes her sailor language, but if you had any sort of discernment you would be able to see the obvious intellect she has, and her command of language is on par with the best and most articulate people on this site...

Closed minds are small minds



angelikaJ -> RE: guys suck, but i'm not a man-hating dyke (6/17/2011 10:06:32 AM)

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ORIGINAL: masterofholly

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ORIGINAL: HeatherMcLeather


The part at the end where she makes the point of the whole post, where says she doesn't lump you all together in the same category, where she says she is forgiving and optimistic.
Canonization coverage on the evening news?

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It's not her fault that the men she's dealt with were so overwhelmingly shits.

I bet it is her fault, for the most part.

A few choices here:
1) She is a hideous judge of character.
2) She expects perfection and deems him a "shit" when he does not measure up and/or kiss her ass.
3) He tells her to take her bullshit and hit the curb, thus earning the "shit" title.
4) She consistently chooses men who are "shits" because that is what she considers all men to be.



Then you missed some parts: She went from living on the streets and some things I have to leave out because they violate certain TOS to turning tricks to feed her belly.
Do you think the men she met at that age were nice men and do you think she had much of a choice, within that circumstance?
And at some point, simply put the streets had her.
This post on another thread explains it much better:
http://www.collarchat.com/fb.asp?m=3724699

So, yes, she is out of the lifestyle now, and in therapy and wanting and making a better life for herself.
And she is making better choices.
Healing is a long process, (and Holly, please forgive me for this:) you are treating her like gutter-trash when she doesn't deserve that.
This is a life that no matter how hard I tried, could not wrap my brain around the reality of, and neither can you.

You did not come from where she did, end up on the streets and do what you had to do simply to survive.
You may think you are better than her.
You may think that no one ever has to do that... . So, drive up to New York City some time and tell that to all the runaways you find in Times Square. They aren't there because they want to be. They are there because the alternative was so much worse...or at the very least in their desperation,  it seemed so at the time.



RapierFugue -> RE: guys suck, but i'm not a man-hating dyke (6/17/2011 10:10:37 AM)


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ORIGINAL: juliaoceania

I am one of those people who likes the "f" word. I don't use it every other word, but sometimes it just fits, and there is no other word that will quite make the same point.



Personally, I'm not someone who dismisses another person as worthless if they use bad language (I'm prone to a good, creative swear myself, from time to time), but I do find endless, non-witty use of it boring, repetitive and generally an indicator of someone either trying way too hard, or being an attention whore/drama llama.

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ORIGINAL: juliaoceania

Closed minds are small minds


This thread has broken all CM records for the sheer number of trite, inaccurate and generally misleading platitudes being tossed around. Again, as with swearing, a good, witty quote can enliven a debate, or bring humour or insight to a situation, but when people fall back on inapposite banalities I just get a massive attack of the zeds.



mnottertail -> RE: guys suck, but i'm not a man-hating dyke (6/17/2011 10:12:51 AM)

I would like to take the opportunity to tell you that this is one of the funniest things I have ever read on collarme.

http://www.collarchat.com/m_3486669/mpage_8/key_Inspector%252CMorse/tm.htm#3488109

I hope it does not make me a dyke.



juliaoceania -> RE: guys suck, but i'm not a man-hating dyke (6/17/2011 10:15:49 AM)

The vast majority of those girls that end up on the street started out in a home where there was some sort of abuse, mostly sexual, and often from their very own fathers.

Tell me, how many of us would have a very good view of men if the ones that were tasked to keep us safe either failed us, or even worse, victimized us. I do not know if that was what happened to Hannah, but it does put an even more grotesque view of the 13 year old girl who ran away from her father to someone who pimps her, but feels it is better to fuck strangers for money, than to fuck her father.

Some times life ain't pretty. We FAIL many people in our society, and prostitutes are one of the largest failures there is, not because they exist... but because of the very lifestyles they are forced to endure by the neglect of seeing them as being fully human beings. If I was treated like nothing but fuck meat since I could remember, I can imagine it would twist my thinking, too.

The thing is, when everyone in a system looks down on you for things you have no control over, what do you do about that? How do you overcome it?

I think Hannah is a testament to survival that she isn't on the streets anymore, and she is trying to assert her value to the human race on her own terms... if that ain't fucking decency as a human being, I do not know what is.




juliaoceania -> RE: guys suck, but i'm not a man-hating dyke (6/17/2011 10:18:19 AM)


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ORIGINAL: RapierFugue


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ORIGINAL: juliaoceania

I am one of those people who likes the "f" word. I don't use it every other word, but sometimes it just fits, and there is no other word that will quite make the same point.



Personally, I'm not someone who dismisses another person as worthless if they use bad language (I'm prone to a good, creative swear myself, from time to time), but I do find endless, non-witty use of it boring, repetitive and generally an indicator of someone either trying way too hard, or being an attention whore/drama llama.

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ORIGINAL: juliaoceania

Closed minds are small minds


This thread has broken all CM records for the sheer number of trite, inaccurate and generally misleading platitudes being tossed around. Again, as with swearing, a good, witty quote can enliven a debate, or bring humour or insight to a situation, but when people fall back on inapposite banalities I just get a massive attack of the zeds.


Your opinion has been registered...

So fucking what?



RapierFugue -> RE: guys suck, but i'm not a man-hating dyke (6/17/2011 10:20:19 AM)


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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

I would like to take the opportunity to tell you that this is one of the funniest things I have ever read on collarme.

http://www.collarchat.com/m_3486669/mpage_8/key_Inspector%252CMorse/tm.htm#3488109

I hope it does not make me a dyke.


That's very kind of you, thank you for saying. I don't even recall writing it though. My memory is shocking, and frankly getting worse*.

As in, I chuckled, then saw who the author was.

As to you being a dyke, only you can say for sure. As a guide though ... how comfy are your shoes ATM?

*I recall something an Oxford Don said a few years back ... something like "Why do we have so little control over what we can recall? Why is it I still struggle with The Decline And Fall Of The Roman Empire, and yet I can remember every single word of Bohemian Rhapsody?! That's just not right."



HannahLynHeather -> RE: guys suck, but i'm not a man-hating dyke (6/17/2011 10:24:04 AM)

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I've tried three times to answer this.
i got yours sunny, i don't know if i replied to say so, but i did get your message. i was asking her how she did it



RapierFugue -> RE: guys suck, but i'm not a man-hating dyke (6/17/2011 10:28:34 AM)


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ORIGINAL: HannahLynHeather

you seem to have been out to prove i'm wrong from the start of this thread. a fucking stupid assed thing to do. my experiences are, so can't be proved wrong


Your experiences are your experiences. Assuming you're telling the truth, no-one can gainsay them.

However, what you have done is take your experiences, and have then come to an entirely incorrect conclusion, in a somewhat drama-queen, "look at me!" fashion, while at the same time being abusive, petulant, and generally juvenile. That's something people are entitled to comment upon, even if you don't accept their conclusions about either the situation, or yourself.



angelikaJ -> RE: guys suck, but i'm not a man-hating dyke (6/17/2011 10:35:28 AM)

One need not agree with Heather's opinions to understand their reasonableness under the circumstances.



juliaoceania -> RE: guys suck, but i'm not a man-hating dyke (6/17/2011 10:38:22 AM)


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ORIGINAL: angelikaJ

One need not agree with Heather's opinions to understand their reasonableness under the circumstances.




Thanks for condensing my thoughts on the matter.

I do not agree with her thoughts on men, but I completely understand how she came by them.

And dismissing her as a decent human being deserving the company of other decent human beings is really over the top.



Icarys -> RE: guys suck, but i'm not a man-hating dyke (6/17/2011 10:41:18 AM)

I left home and lived on the streets at 15 and not once did I contemplate fucking and sucking for a living. It wasn't and isn't in my nature to do so. If a person winds up in a situation like that it's most likely a situation of their own doing. I worked odd jobs, borrowed money, did field work on farms with illegal immigrants and a host of other things to get by.

So feed this girls delusion that the men are the bad people and they hold that alone but from my perspective she's guilty in the way her life has turned out because of the choices she made. We are ALL accountable in life.

If, and I mean if, all of this has happened to her like she says and she hasn't embellished for drama's sake I'd feel sorry that someone "had" to endure a life like that..I'd still wonder why someone took so long to realize it was a bad life and chose to get in it to begin with..being that she sure doesn't seem like some gullible doe-eyed naive little girl that was taken advantage of.


I'd also like to point out that no matter what she thinks of the "men" she uses now for sex she is doing the very thing to them that she says people have done to her. That to me says revenge.





ModTwentyOne -> RE: guys suck, but i'm not a man-hating dyke (6/17/2011 10:42:37 AM)

We're running at about 13% of posts being pulled on this thread, or about 70 so far. We don't want to continue pulling personal attacks and whatnot, so we are therefore asking everyone to take a deep breath and consider that it might be time to just move on. If you have something new to say that doesn't involve someone's character, feel free to post.




RedMagic1 -> RE: guys suck, but i'm not a man-hating dyke (6/17/2011 10:42:37 AM)


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ORIGINAL: juliaoceania
And dismissing her as a decent human being deserving the company of other decent human beings is really over the top.

Eh. It's reality. If I said fuck 24/7/365, people would take me much less seriously. And, on some level, they would have a point. It would be an indication that I cared more about my own comfort in speaking than I did about theirs in listening to me. A mature, empathetic person needs to be able to consider both.



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