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RE: Thousands of classes/types of Christians/All Christ... - 6/28/2011 8:32:51 PM   
juliaoceania


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Status: offline 		I am not against all people of any faith and I am well aware that there are different kinds of Christians. I will say though that there is this subset of Christians that think they need to rule this country like a theocracy, and when you hear some people that sound bitter about Christians, remember that these sorts have given rise to fear amongst those of us that do not adhere to your belief in that Jesus guy.

Since Christians have the majority in this country, it is a well founded fear in that the minority of us that do not believe in that Jesus guy are impacted by a small faction of nutjobs that do... and those nutjobs are Christian evangelicals

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RE: Thousands of classes/types of Christians/All Christ... - 6/28/2011 8:35:26 PM   
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RE: Thousands of classes/types of Christians/Christians... - 6/28/2011 8:35:32 PM   
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in other words, you can't actually dispute my claim, but don't have the fucking balls to just say so.

I already have. Three times now.

You have no case.

Make one to dispute, and maybe someone will play with you.

Try to choose someone under the age of twenty, who will fall for silly swings like that one.
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The problem is that they might well say the same of you.
i don't think i've ever claimed that i am completely fucking sane.

but rather than dodge and redirect, why don't you explain to me why religious belief shouldn't be considered a delusion?

Because, like Mark, I'm smarter than to get into a pissing contest.

The burden of proof is on the party making the positive claim.

I've already pointed out the problem you've quoted above.






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RE: Thousands of classes/types of Christians/Christians... - 6/28/2011 8:35:33 PM   
HannahLynHeather


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you would have more time to consider ethical teachings
i'm all for ethical teachings, its just the need to hang them on the belief in a non-existent deity where i have a problem. and i wouldn't really have an issue with that either, if the fuckers who believe wouldn't insist that the world take notice of their delusions and make allowances for them.

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RE: Thousands of classes/types of Christians/All Christ... - 6/28/2011 8:36:55 PM   
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Im one of those wierd people.

Agnostic that thinks the Bible has a hell of a lot of good lessons on how to lead one's life.


Im one of those wierd people that believe in live and let live, especially if you are not hurting others.
I find it more than interesting, the amount of passion and energy displayed by both believers and non-believers in trying to convince the other side, in what they should believe!
lol

This thread was not started as a "Come to Jesus or Christianity" thread, I started it because I wanted to list some of the names of the thousands of Christian groups, that practice Christianity in a variety of ways.

As always, we get several non-Christians that begin the "Prove GOD is real" mantra.
It happens on each and every thread related to Christianity on CM.
lol
The thing I am most grateful to my parents about is they taught me to study all sorts of beliefs.  They had their beliefs, but they also believed that there could be many paths to the same destination, and they were always willing to listen and learn from others.

I am still figuring out what I believe, but I am glad they laid the foundation that taught me to keep exploring.  If that makes any sense at all.



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RE: Thousands of classes/types of Christians/Christians... - 6/28/2011 8:37:12 PM   
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You have no case.

Make one to dispute.

i tried, you sidestepped it.

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RE: Thousands of classes/types of Christians/Christians... - 6/28/2011 8:39:44 PM   
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When it comes to religious BELIEFS, who are you to judge right and wrong?
look, i've got nothing against the mentally ill, but i do resent them demanding that i make allowances for their fucking delusions.

Calling Christians as a whole mentally ill and delusional is one big fuckity fuck fuck way of being fucking open minded and accepting there. All lesbians are fucking trash. See how that fucking works? You paint a whole fucking section of fucking folks with an ignorant fucking brush and it's wrong..........luci

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RE: Thousands of classes/types of Christians/All Christ... - 6/28/2011 8:40:52 PM   
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It's cool around here to be poly, lesbian, a scat freak, a whore, prostitute, you fill in the blank, Marini. As long as it's not a sincere Christian or a redneck, you're fine

luci
ha!  And if you are a redneck Christian, well, get a rope!

The closest I have ever come to reporting posts was where folks made fun of rednecks or hillbillies.  If they had substituted race or sexual orientation, everyone woulda been on their ass in a second, but rednecks are fair game I reckon.

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RE: Thousands of classes/types of Christians/Christians... - 6/28/2011 8:41:24 PM   
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You have no case.

Make one to dispute.

i tried, you sidestepped it.

You changed the subject.

Learn to construct a logical case.

It's not the same as petty bickering.

Yet again, I've already noted the problem, as you've acknowledged and have yet to address. As long as you ignore it, the problem remains.


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The problem is that they might well say the same of you.
i don't think i've ever claimed that i am completely fucking sane.

but rather than dodge and redirect, why don't you explain to me why religious belief shouldn't be considered a delusion?

Because, like Mark, I'm smarter than to get into a pissing contest.

The burden of proof is on the party making the positive claim.

I've already pointed out the problem you've quoted above.





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RE: Thousands of classes/types of Christians/All Christ... - 6/28/2011 8:44:47 PM   
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It's cool around here to be poly, lesbian, a scat freak, a whore, prostitute, you fill in the blank, Marini. As long as it's not a sincere Christian or a redneck, you're fine

luci
ha!  And if you are a redneck Christian, well, get a rope!

The closest I have ever come to reporting posts was where folks made fun of rednecks or hillbillies.  If they had substituted race or sexual orientation, everyone woulda been on their ass in a second, but rednecks are fair game I reckon.

Yeah, I've called some folks on that time after time and you can hear the crickets chirp. People who would swallow their tongue before saying the "N" word will throw hateful words like "white trash" around like it's cute. Sickening, bigoted and ignorant is what is is but it's cute to most people. I find it horrible but it's like beating your head into a brick wall to get some people to see it. It's usually white folks who are scared of where they themselves come from

luci


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RE: Thousands of classes/types of Christians/All Christ... - 6/28/2011 8:46:17 PM   
Marini


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ORIGINAL: juliaoceania

I am not against all people of any faith and I am well aware that there are different kinds of Christians. I will say though that there is this subset of Christians that think they need to rule this country like a theocracy, and when you hear some people that sound bitter about Christians, remember that these sorts have given rise to fear amongst those of us that do not adhere to your belief in that Jesus guy.

Since Christians have the majority in this country, it is a well founded fear in that the minority of us that do not believe in that Jesus guy are impacted by a small faction of nutjobs that do... and those nutjobs are Christian evangelicals


What a thoughtful post!
I should have mentioned THIS in my OP!
There is a small faction of Christians that make all Christians look bad.
This includes many Right wing Christian fundamentalists and Christian extremist groups.
These are the groups that many many anti-Christians are talking about.

There are thousands of other groups, that are quietly practicing their faith and trying to make the world a better place.

To paint all Christians with the same broad brush, is the same as painting all Muslims, Jewish and non-Christians with the SAME, ignorant broad brush.


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RE: Thousands of classes/types of Christians/All Christ... - 6/28/2011 8:48:20 PM   
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RE: Thousands of classes/types of Christians/Christians... - 6/28/2011 8:49:06 PM   
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look i got no fucking issue with the ethical teachings, its the theism that is the delusion.

and its actually you guys who are being close minded. you're insisting that just because its an unfounded belief in a deity, it's not a delusion.

why does belief in a deity get a pass, why is that particular type of belief not held to the same standard as other beliefs with no basis in reality?



I will try ONE more time Hanna,

Because YOU say they have an unfounded belief in a deity doesn't mean that it is unfounded to them. How are you to judge what has ever happened in another person's life,when you didn't live it? If you have no faith and another does, how do you know that their belief isn't based on something you simply do not understand? I have never seen a UFO, does that mean in all those universes out there that there is No Possibility of some other form of life or some other type of earth? I think that it would be presumptuous to believe that it isn't possible.

It has no basis in YOUR reality, to many their personal religion is very much part of THEIR reality. They have a FAITH that you don't understand, it doesn't make it any less real to them, doesn't mean you nor I understand all that goes into their reality or their faith. It can be a very real thing to them,a part of them. something that makes them a better person. I understand many definitions, I don't need a quote to know the meaning of delusional, but I also know the meaning of the word faith. Some have it and find a very real part of their life within it.
I am not talking only Christians, but Islam, Buddhists, Taoists and any others, I don't understand people's faith in Buddhism, but it doesn't make it any less real. So Hanna, you FUCKING non man hating lesbian you...I am finished, I hope you have a great rest of the FUCKING night, and a great FUCKING tomorrow.
Mark

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RE: Thousands of classes/types of Christians/Christians... - 6/28/2011 8:49:42 PM   
Marini


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ORIGINAL: slaveluci


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When it comes to religious BELIEFS, who are you to judge right and wrong?
look, i've got nothing against the mentally ill, but i do resent them demanding that i make allowances for their fucking delusions.

Calling Christians as a whole mentally ill and delusional is one big fuckity fuck fuck way of being fucking open minded and accepting there. All lesbians are fucking trash. See how that fucking works? You paint a whole fucking section of fucking folks with an ignorant fucking brush and it's wrong..........luci


Now, you have done it!
I was trying to behave here.
Don't just trash Lesbians, don't forget all Gay people, any minority group that you want to include, and those horrible deviant people into that BDSM stuff!!

You see it is okay to trash and bash Christians, but see what happens if you start trashing Lesbians, on here.
You can only be mean and hateful and say despicable things about certain "target groups of people".
Always remember that!
lol

By some people's standards we can pick and chose who we want to trash and demean, right?
We can determine WHO and what groups of people we should respect, right?


Many, many people do not believe in, "To each their own", they believe "To each what I believe".


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RE: Thousands of classes/types of Christians/Christians... - 6/28/2011 8:56:43 PM   
HannahLynHeather


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You changed the subject.
no i didn't, i was making a fucking point directly related to what we are discussing.

you have a narrow minded view that belief in a deity should be exempt from the same scrutiny applied to any other unsubstantiated beliefs. why is this?

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RE: Thousands of classes/types of Christians/Christians... - 6/28/2011 8:58:52 PM   
Musicmystery


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You changed the subject.
no i didn't, i was making a fucking point directly related to what we are discussing.

Then you have yet to draw the connection.
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you have a narrow minded view that belief in a deity should be exempt from the same scrutiny applied to any other unsubstantiated beliefs. why is this?

I've made no such claim. I've pointed out that you've offered not scrutiny, but an unsupported assertion based solely on your beliefs.

If we were to accept your standard for delusional, those you're condemning could well apply the term to you, for the same reason.

From that noted problem for your case, you've resorted to attempting to paint everyone else as close-minded, narrow-minded, and ball-less. That doesn't do much to raise the level of your logic.




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RE: Thousands of classes/types of Christians/All Christ... - 6/28/2011 9:03:37 PM   
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Status: offline 		I get your point OP and I have no idea why you brought the topic here. Most people HERE will not get you...instead will make fun or joke or scream like Hannah at you. But I definitely understand otherwise a decent and good point.

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RE: Thousands of classes/types of Christians/All Christ... - 6/28/2011 9:09:35 PM   
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It's cool around here to be poly, lesbian, a scat freak, a whore, prostitute, you fill in the blank, Marini. As long as it's not a sincere Christian or a redneck, you're fine
luci


I somehow missed this thread, luci!!!
You forgot to mention how "cute" and politically correct it is to trash Christians and rednecks!

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RE: Thousands of classes/types of Christians/All Christ... - 6/28/2011 9:12:33 PM   
Marini


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I get your point OP and I have no idea why you brought the topic here. Most people HERE will not get you...instead will make fun or joke or scream like Hannah at you. But I definitely understand otherwise a decent and good point.


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unconsciously give other people permission


Orchid, you may be new here, but take a LOOK at the NAME of this particular section of CollarME.
It is called, POLITICS and RELIGION.
Now, you may just be in the wrong place, but I am not.
Reading is and always will be, fundamental.

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RE: Thousands of classes/types of Christians/Christians... - 6/28/2011 9:14:35 PM   
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Status: offline 		you're saying it's not a delusion because it's real to them, they have faith that it's real. the crazy fucker at the grocery store who thinks star trek is real has faith in capt. kirk. he's not delusional? by your measure he wouldn't be.

why is the concept of a deity the only case where simply believing it to be true is considered good enough? john nash believed aliens were sending him messages, it was real to him, he had faith in those hidden messages, so why was nash delusional when a theist isn't?

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