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defiantbadgirl -> Two different results? (7/15/2011 12:17:39 PM)

Yesterday I went to the hospital for a cold cone biopsy and possible hysterectomy depending on the lab result. When I woke up in the recovery room, my gynecologist said the lab report showed invasive cervical cancer so she couldn't do the hysterectomy. She said she had to refer me to a gynecologic oncologist for surgery and I might need radiation. Today my gynecologist called and told me she received the pathology report. According to the frozen pathology report, it's non invasive pre-cancer. So which is it? She is now giving me the choice of letting her do the hysterectomy or referring me to an oncologist for the hysterectomy. Which are more accurate, lab results or pathology reports?




JstAnotherSub -> RE: Two different results? (7/15/2011 12:18:33 PM)

Talk to your doctor.




zephyroftheNorth -> RE: Two different results? (7/15/2011 12:20:46 PM)

Path reports on the whole tend to be more accurate. I cannot say for sure of course but I would think that the path report is what will be used to treat you, that is usually the case.

ETA: with the path report showing invasive pre-cancer, the chances are good you will be sent for radiotherapy which is amazingly focused these days. Fewer chances of side effects because the radiation is so focused on the area they want to radiate. Good luck sweetie!

Zeph (who works for Oncologists)




Musicmystery -> RE: Two different results? (7/15/2011 12:21:37 PM)

First, get a second opinion from another gynecologist.

Then talk to the specialist. If there's a hysterectomy either way, at least be sure you aren't going back later to remove cancerous cells.





LadyConstanze -> RE: Two different results? (7/15/2011 12:43:59 PM)


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ORIGINAL: zephyroftheNorth

Path reports on the whole tend to be more accurate. I cannot say for sure of course but I would think that the path report is what will be used to treat you, that is usually the case.

ETA: with the path report showing invasive pre-cancer, the chances are good you will be sent for radiotherapy which is amazingly focused these days. Fewer chances of side effects because the radiation is so focused on the area they want to radiate. Good luck sweetie!

Zeph (who works for Oncologists)



I'd go with pathology as well, simply for the fact that if they performed surgery in the past they always told me I have to wait for the path report to be 100% clear, unless something changed dramatically, I'd go with that.

If you are going for radiation, also make sure you got plenty of ginger which will take care of feeling sick and make you thirsty, drinking enough is essential.

Whatever you do, get a 2nd opinion anyway and all the best for you!




defiantbadgirl -> RE: Two different results? (7/15/2011 12:47:04 PM)

Getting a second opinion is a good idea. Would I have to wait until my cervix healed enough first? She took a very large chunk.




Musicmystery -> RE: Two different results? (7/15/2011 12:57:09 PM)

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Getting a second opinion is a good idea. Would I have to wait until my cervix healed enough first?

No.




zephyroftheNorth -> RE: Two different results? (7/15/2011 1:07:11 PM)

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ORIGINAL: defiantbadgirl

Getting a second opinion is a good idea. Would I have to wait until my cervix healed enough first? She took a very large chunk.


Getting a second opinion is a great idea. Since we don't know how big a biopsy sample ask your doctor about when it can be done accurately.




JstAnotherSub -> RE: Two different results? (7/15/2011 2:19:29 PM)

Did you not follow up after this?

http://www.collarchat.com/m_3381011/mpage_1/tm.htm




angelikaJ -> RE: Two different results? (7/15/2011 3:34:51 PM)

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ORIGINAL: defiantbadgirl

Yesterday I went to the hospital for a cold cone biopsy and possible hysterectomy depending on the lab result. When I woke up in the recovery room, my gynecologist said the lab report showed invasive cervical cancer so she couldn't do the hysterectomy. She said she had to refer me to a gynecologic oncologist for surgery and I might need radiation. Today my gynecologist called and told me she received the pathology report. According to the frozen pathology report, it's non invasive pre-cancer. So which is it? She is now giving me the choice of letting her do the hysterectomy or referring me to an oncologist for the hysterectomy. Which are more accurate, lab results or pathology reports?



GET ANOTHER DOCTOR
 
dfb,
Non-invasive "pre-cancer" can be treated in many other effective ways that do not involve cutting you open.

I would find another Gyno.




Hisprettybaby -> RE: Two different results? (7/15/2011 7:20:34 PM)

Were it me, I would go w/ the pathology reports rather than lab results. AND I would get a second opinion from another doctor!!

~Hisprettybaby~




windchymes -> RE: Two different results? (7/16/2011 6:57:24 AM)

For the record here, "pathology" is part of "the lab", and the same laboratory pathology department does both biopsies and follow-up reports. The "frozen" section biopsy is done immediately by pathology as a "super stat", because it is done while the patient is under anesthesia and a decision on whether or not to remove the uterus, or the breast, or whatever organ is made based on those results. It's literally run to the lab pathology department, frozen quickly and processed so that the pathologist on duty can look at the slide under the microscope and give a preliminary diagnosis as soon as possible so that they can proceed with the surgery and the patient is under anesthesia for as short a time as possible. Then, another specimen is processed the "normal" way, which is slower and more meticulous, but still done and reported by the same laboratory pathology staff, as confirmation.

The usual protocol is that, if the organ in question was not immediately removed, then the diagnosis given by the lab/pathology at that time, during the surgery, was not one that the gynecologist felt warranted immediate removal.

That report and the final report were probably inconclusive enough that the gynecologist wants to refer the OP to an oncologist for follow-up, which isn't a bad idea. Also, I suspect the OP did not completely understand what the gyno told her, she may have been woozy from anesthesia and/or medication, the doctor's English may not have been easily understood, the doctor may not have good communication skills and talked way over her head, there's always the possibility that either the lab or the nursing staff mixed up the reports, there are several possibilities.

Also, the difference between one report saying "invasive" and the other saying "non-invasive" may have been how the doctor actually removed the piece of tissue that was tested.

Final answer, get a second opinion, ask a lot of questions, keep asking till you're satisfied that you understand, and take someone with you to the appointments so that two people hear what the doctors say.




DesFIP -> RE: Two different results? (7/16/2011 7:26:31 AM)

Se the oncologist and have him explain this to you more fully. And good luck




LafayetteLady -> RE: Two different results? (7/16/2011 10:31:55 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: windchymes

For the record here, "pathology" is part of "the lab", and the same laboratory pathology department does both biopsies and follow-up reports. The "frozen" section biopsy is done immediately by pathology as a "super stat", because it is done while the patient is under anesthesia and a decision on whether or not to remove the uterus, or the breast, or whatever organ is made based on those results. It's literally run to the lab pathology department, frozen quickly and processed so that the pathologist on duty can look at the slide under the microscope and give a preliminary diagnosis as soon as possible so that they can proceed with the surgery and the patient is under anesthesia for as short a time as possible. Then, another specimen is processed the "normal" way, which is slower and more meticulous, but still done and reported by the same laboratory pathology staff, as confirmation.

The usual protocol is that, if the organ in question was not immediately removed, then the diagnosis given by the lab/pathology at that time, during the surgery, was not one that the gynecologist felt warranted immediate removal.

That report and the final report were probably inconclusive enough that the gynecologist wants to refer the OP to an oncologist for follow-up, which isn't a bad idea. Also, I suspect the OP did not completely understand what the gyno told her, she may have been woozy from anesthesia and/or medication, the doctor's English may not have been easily understood, the doctor may not have good communication skills and talked way over her head, there's always the possibility that either the lab or the nursing staff mixed up the reports, there are several possibilities.

Also, the difference between one report saying "invasive" and the other saying "non-invasive" may have been how the doctor actually removed the piece of tissue that was tested.

Final answer, get a second opinion, ask a lot of questions, keep asking till you're satisfied that you understand, and take someone with you to the appointments so that two people hear what the doctors say.


Normally, I wouldn't post a quote that was so close to my post, but please listen to what windchymes says. She is "resident science lab" gal, lol. She does this stuff for a living and has a great way (as you can see) of explaining it to those of us who aren't so science savvy (like me).

ALWAYS, and I can't say that enough, ALWAYS get a second opinion before embarking on any type of surgery, especially cancer type. I don't care how much you adore and trust your OB/GYN, get that second opinion. In this case, I would suggest taking the test results to an gynocological onconoligist and seeing what they have to say. Call your local hospital for recommendations.

Good luck.




DreamyLadySnow -> RE: Two different results? (7/22/2011 10:40:21 AM)

windchymes, your advice is excellent, especially teh part about taking someone with you. Two people will remember more than one person, especially when the one is feeling severely stressed.




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