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toiletneeded -> urine consumption & drugs (7/16/2011 10:09:06 PM)

I've read what I can on here about WS and drugs being passed on. I found an article on breastfeeding infants who's mothers smoked pot and the infants did in fact test positive for the drug. But what about urine, has anyone here tested to see if it passes on to a sub/slave?




LafayetteLady -> RE: urine consumption & drugs (7/16/2011 10:35:52 PM)

Use logic here. It's not clear whether you intend to be the giver or receiver, but either way, if the giver takes any kind of medications or uses recreational drugs, look them up and find out if they are excreted through the kidneys. As someone who has suffered renal failure and has had to change nearly all my medications because of it, trust me when I tell you that not all things are excreted in noticeable/dangerous amounts through the kidneys. It is not the same as breast feeding at all.

So look up the medications, and if they are typically the ones that will show up in a urine test, then yes you should be concerned.




DesFIP -> RE: urine consumption & drugs (7/17/2011 7:08:55 AM)

LL He's asking not about medication in general but illegal use of marijuana.

And since many work related drug testing is done with urine, and marijuana shows up in it, yes it is excreted in the urine.

The $64,000 question is whether or not that will be enough to make your urine also test positive. I have no clue and no idea where to look. Personally I wouldn't risk it. I'd find a partner who was d & d free, myself.




LafayetteLady -> RE: urine consumption & drugs (7/17/2011 6:01:12 PM)


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ORIGINAL: DesFIP

LL He's asking not about medication in general but illegal use of marijuana.

And since many work related drug testing is done with urine, and marijuana shows up in it, yes it is excreted in the urine.

The $64,000 question is whether or not that will be enough to make your urine also test positive. I have no clue and no idea where to look. Personally I wouldn't risk it. I'd find a partner who was d & d free, myself.



I know you like to believe that you are the most capable reader here, but no, he didn't specifically ask about marijuana, but merely mentioned an article about marijuana being passed through breast milk

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I've read what I can on here about WS and drugs being passed on.


I'm really surprised you didn't make an attempt to answer that "$64,000.00 question, since the answer is really not that difficult. It all depends on the frequency and amount of drugs that one takes and has in their system. If it is a drug that is excreted through the kidneys, and there is, for EXAMPLE, marijuana smoked a few times a day, every day, it is likely to transfer.

The real "$64,000.00" question is not finding a partner who is "D&D" free, but to know why they are using any particular type of drug to begin with. Like it or not, many states recognize medical marijuana, and if a person is using it as such (or any other prescribed drug), they have a prescription to cover them for their drug test. The "receiver" of the urine does not.




HannahLynHeather -> RE: urine consumption & drugs (7/17/2011 6:06:03 PM)

i don't think it would show up on a test, but if you're in a job or somesuch that does drug tests then what the fuck are you doing hanging around dopers for fuck's sake.

two words for you: ross rebagliati




ChatteParfaitt -> RE: urine consumption & drugs (7/17/2011 6:17:41 PM)

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ORIGINAL: LafayetteLady


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ORIGINAL: DesFIP

LL He's asking not about medication in general but illegal use of marijuana.

And since many work related drug testing is done with urine, and marijuana shows up in it, yes it is excreted in the urine.

The $64,000 question is whether or not that will be enough to make your urine also test positive. I have no clue and no idea where to look. Personally I wouldn't risk it. I'd find a partner who was d & d free, myself.



I know you like to believe that you are the most capable reader here, but no, he didn't specifically ask about marijuana, but merely mentioned an article about marijuana being passed through breast milk

quote:


I've read what I can on here about WS and drugs being passed on.


I'm really surprised you didn't make an attempt to answer that "$64,000.00 question, since the answer is really not that difficult. It all depends on the frequency and amount of drugs that one takes and has in their system. If it is a drug that is excreted through the kidneys, and there is, for EXAMPLE, marijuana smoked a few times a day, every day, it is likely to transfer.

The real "$64,000.00" question is not finding a partner who is "D&D" free, but to know why they are using any particular type of drug to begin with. Like it or not, many states recognize medical marijuana, and if a person is using it as such (or any other prescribed drug), they have a prescription to cover them for their drug test. The "receiver" of the urine does not.


*Just kinda chuckles. You have to take Des with a grain of salt so to speak, or not at all. She's an acquired taste.

Does pot show up in the urine of the imbiber, so to speak. Fuck if I know. I would say there is a chance. How much pot does she smoke for Christ's sake? if she is a major 24/7 smoker and is always stoned I would say, yes, it would show.

If she smokes on the rare occasion, I would say, no, you have nothing to worry about.

The truth? I have no fucking idea what I am talking about, and you need someone who understands the chemistry involved to guide you further.

I am so sure this was so helpful.






LadyConstanze -> RE: urine consumption & drugs (7/18/2011 3:32:51 AM)

To the best of my knowledge, THCA shows in the urine to up to 30 days after consumption (give or take a few days depending on how well your system works), now if the OP is worried about drinking the urine of somebody who smokes and that he might test positive, I'd pick up a home test kit and check a day later in the morning (the concentration will be strongest then) and should it test positive, you know you're at risk.

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Drug tests detect not only drugs but metabolites as well. Metabolites are the byproducts of a substance after it has run through your system. To determine whether you will pass or not, it is important to know how much of the illicit metabolites are in your urine, as well as the test “cut off,” or Level of Detection (LOD). Usually marijuana tests will have a cutoff of 50ng/mL, but it can be as low as 25ng/mL. Home testing can tell you whether your level at the time of the test is above or below the 50ng/mL level, but it will not tell you the exact level of THC metabolites in your system.

Marijuana Detection Time and Half-Life of TetraHydraCannabinol

The half life of THC concentration is about 10 days. There is way too much variation to even approximate how long THC will be detected in the urine of an individual. Infrequent users with a fast metabolism will have the shortest detection time. Frequent or chronic users with a slow metabolism will have the longest detection times. The only way to estimate a detection time is to consider the lower and upper bounds (3-50 days), and estimate based on the factors outlined here.




LadyPact -> RE: urine consumption & drugs (7/18/2011 7:55:32 PM)

To the best of My knowledge, any drug that can be detected from a urine sample will be passed on.




LadyConstanze -> RE: urine consumption & drugs (7/19/2011 2:22:35 AM)


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ORIGINAL: LadyPact

To the best of My knowledge, any drug that can be detected from a urine sample will be passed on.


Pretty much so, but the question is that when it is filtered through 2 systems, will it be strong enough to show up in the 2nd person's test? Wouldn't know about it and would seriously recommend testing with a home test kit if it could be an issue due to testing at work.

Though a kink friendly doctor told me once that if a person had an addiction problem in the past, drinking the urine of a person who indulged in the substance he was addicted to, can trigger it again. I don't think one can get drunk from drinking the urine of a person who had a few drinks or is even roaring drunk, but if you're a recovering alcoholic, it will react with your system and trigger the urge...




bemyslut -> RE: urine consumption & drugs (7/19/2011 11:01:50 AM)

drugs can pass through the system without being metabolized. if this is the case, the drug will be in the urine unchanged and can be detected as it will pass right through the second person. Drugs are metabolized chiefly via the kidneys & the liver. some tests are designed to look for these metabolites rather than the parent substance. for example, the test for marijuana looks for delta THC (one of the chief metabolites)...if you consume urine from a person who uses, your test will result in a positive




Aswad -> RE: urine consumption & drugs (7/20/2011 4:56:12 PM)

The point about metabolism is key.

Some drugs are extensively metabolized before being excreted, and some tests are specifically looking for the metabolic end-products.

If there is no renal excretion of the unchanged drug, then the end-product will generally be filtered out rapidly and effectively, if it is even absorbed in the first place. However, the person taking the drug will keep producing end-products for the duration of the drug in the system. And, as pointed out, if the drug is excreted in its original form, then these end-products will be produced in the recipient's body, which causes them to be detectable in the urine for far longer than if absorbed in their pre-metabolized state.

With all the usual disclaimers, I would point out that dronabinol is not excreted in the kidneys. Instead, its metabolites are excreted. Since it is highly lipid soluble and has a highly variable half-life with a long terminal half-life, a user of dronabinol will pass these metabolites in the urine at measurable levels for a long time. However, the receiver will be absorbing a limited fraction of the metabolites, and these will be rapidly excreted from the body. They do not persist for a significant time, and after the first visit to the bathroom, what little remains will be heavily diluted if adequate hydration is maintained (which is critical with urine consumption anyway).

So, long story short, it could be detected after a short time, but a bladderful on friday or saturday shouldn't turn up on monday. It is still better to have the paperwork on hand, though, and to use a home test kit (or, better yet, get a proper analysis of both your samples). This applies to dronabinol only, though. And, as noted, with all the caveats.

If anyone is curious about the right way to test, it's bringing an ordinary urine sample to a lab with an NMR and paying them to check for the drug one is concerned about. Universities are usually cheaper, if you can find someone with the time to spare for it, but the quality is going to depend significantly on the experience of the operator.




Hippiekinkster -> RE: urine consumption & drugs (7/20/2011 6:02:24 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Aswad

The point about metabolism is key.

Some drugs are extensively metabolized before being excreted, and some tests are specifically looking for the metabolic end-products.

If there is no renal excretion of the unchanged drug, then the end-product will generally be filtered out rapidly and effectively, if it is even absorbed in the first place. However, the person taking the drug will keep producing end-products for the duration of the drug in the system. And, as pointed out, if the drug is excreted in its original form, then these end-products will be produced in the recipient's body, which causes them to be detectable in the urine for far longer than if absorbed in their pre-metabolized state.

With all the usual disclaimers, I would point out that dronabinol is not excreted in the kidneys. Instead, its metabolites are excreted. Since it is highly lipid soluble and has a highly variable half-life with a long terminal half-life, a user of dronabinol will pass these metabolites in the urine at measurable levels for a long time. However, the receiver will be absorbing a limited fraction of the metabolites, and these will be rapidly excreted from the body. They do not persist for a significant time, and after the first visit to the bathroom, what little remains will be heavily diluted if adequate hydration is maintained (which is critical with urine consumption anyway).

So, long story short, it could be detected after a short time, but a bladderful on friday or saturday shouldn't turn up on monday. It is still better to have the paperwork on hand, though, and to use a home test kit (or, better yet, get a proper analysis of both your samples). This applies to dronabinol only, though. And, as noted, with all the caveats.

If anyone is curious about the right way to test, it's bringing an ordinary urine sample to a lab with an NMR and paying them to check for the drug one is concerned about. Universities are usually cheaper, if you can find someone with the time to spare for it, but the quality is going to depend significantly on the experience of the operator.
Gas chromatography in tandem with a mass spectrometer is the gold standard for drug identification, including their metabolites. While nuclear magnetic resonance software packages are available which can identify a large number of molecules of interest, including metabolites, they are not, to my knowledge, in wide use.




Aswad -> RE: urine consumption & drugs (7/23/2011 9:57:32 PM)

My bad. I passed along poor info. Thank you for correcting me.

Should I assume my source has such advanced software?

The converse would be unpleasant, but good to know.

Health,
al-Aswad.




MrSprocket -> RE: urine consumption & drugs (8/11/2011 9:28:56 AM)

Here's a good tip: drugs that are excreted by urination can be passed along to another recipient 3 times over (approx) before the drug is completely metabolized.

Works for mushrooms, at least.




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